Well if it doesn't matter what I get, then I am in the clear as both are powerful. AMD or nVIDIA of course.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;29786867]I've always been under the impression that ATi had better OpenGL support. I thought it was the other way around.[/QUOTE]
ATI and OpenGL? Lulz.
Starting way back in the dinosaur days, the Mach/Rage GPUs didn't even have hardware accelerated OpenGL, ATI had OpenGL emulated entirely in software (which crippled CPUs of the day and looked awful). It wasn't until the end of the Rage line and the beginning of the Radeon line did ATI eventually make a half-assed attempt to add hardware OpenGL acceleration.
At the same time of the Rage series, Nvidia and 3dfx already had hardware accelerated OpenGL, Glide (3dfx only) and the infantile Direct X of the time. A TNT2 M64 would run circles around any Rage card.
Moving on to the beginnings of the Radeon line, ATI finally made a half-assed attempt to add hardware accelerated OpenGL. But the hardware is nothing without the drivers (something which ATI still hasn't been able to get right after all these years.) The earlier Radeon cards were plagued with rendering bugs (the one I remember most was alpha channels failing, and playing games with any sort of transparency in textures resulted in huge portions of the screen being black.)
The Radeon HD series shows no signs of bucking the trend. My HD5870 has terrible performance problems in OpenGL games. Things like terrible stuttering, or just bad framerates in general.
This may seem like biased Nvidia fanboy crap, but here's a list of ATI & Nvidia cards I've owned (and still own most of them.):
Mach 64, Rage IIC, Rage PRO/Pro Turbo, Rage 128/128 PRO, AIW/AIW 128 PRO, R7000, R9000, R9200, R9600, R9700, R9800 PRO, x800, HD 4650, HD 5870.
Compared to my Nvidia list:
TNT2 M64, GF2 TI, GF4 MX440, GF4 MX4000, GF5500, GF6200, GF6800GT, GF7900GS/OC, 8800GTS/G92, GTS250.
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Mach 64, Rage IIC, Rage PRO/Pro Turbo, Rage 128/128 PRO, AIW/AIW 128 PRO, R7000, R9000, R9200, R9600, R9700, R9800 PRO, x800, HD 4650, HD 5870.
Compared to my Nvidia list:
TNT2 M64, GF2 TI, GF4 MX440, GF4 MX4000, GF5500, GF6200, GF6800GT, GF7900GS/OC, 8800GTS/G92, GTS250.[/QUOTE]
You never really upgrade at all do you? You just kinda do 140€+ sidesteps thrice a year don't you?
But it was very educational. Thanks for that good sir!
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;29788543]If I recall correctly, both companies have pretty shit drivers from time to time.
Although I do agree that CCC is a load of horseshit.[/QUOTE]
What's so bad about it? Never had a problem with CCC ever and I've owned an x800 XT, x1650 XT, 4850, 5870, and a 6950 over the past 6-7 years. I run MSI Afterburner and occasionally have my overclock reset but IIRC that's to do with the driver limiting overclocks past the max limit which just requires a restart of afterburner. Other than that the only thing I probably dislike is there's not as much options as there are with Nvidia that required ATI Tray Tools but I don't need to use that anymore.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;29825350]What's so bad about it? Never had a problem with CCC ever and I've owned an x800 XT, x1650 XT, 4850, 5870, and a 6950 over the past 6-7 years. I run MSI Afterburner and occasionally have my overclock reset but IIRC that's to do with the driver limiting overclocks past the max limit which just requires a restart of afterburner. Other than that the only thing I probably dislike is there's not as much options as there are with Nvidia that required ATI Tray Tools but I don't need to use that anymore.[/QUOTE]
CCC is a nightmare compared to Nvidia's control panel - for example the 'Video Settings' page takes upwards of 15 seconds to fully render (you can see it appearing slider by slider) and is almost completely unusable. It also uses a fair bit of background CPU for no good reason, besides having a horrible UI.
I'll be straight back on Nvidia as soon as they release a single GPU card with 3 simultaneously working outputs and more power than a 6970. ATI is only good if you want nothing but DirectX gaming and 3 monitors with no microstutter.
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;29832048]for example the 'Video Settings' page takes upwards of 15 seconds to fully render (you can see it appearing slider by slider) and is almost completely unusable.
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Can't say I have that issue at all. Although I do agree that NVIDIA's control panel is a lot better than the CCC.
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;29832048]CCC is a nightmare compared to Nvidia's control panel - for example the 'Video Settings' page takes upwards of 15 seconds to fully render (you can see it appearing slider by slider) and is almost completely unusable. It also uses a fair bit of background CPU for no good reason, besides having a horrible UI.[/QUOTE]
I can't even navigate in nVidia CP.
It is too weird for me.
And it has less features IMO. CCC is better IMO.
[QUOTE=tratzzz;29839829]I can't even navigate in nVidia CP.
It is too weird for me.
And it has less features IMO. CCC is better IMO.[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised you missed the Select a Task sidebar.
[QUOTE=tratzzz;29839829]I can't even navigate in nVidia CP.
It is too weird for me.
[b]And it has less features IMO[/b]. CCC is better IMO.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't even remotely make sense. That's like saying 1+1 equals 3 IMO. Facts are never opinions. Either there are more features or there aren't.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;29845565]That doesn't even remotely make sense. That's like saying 1+1 equals 3 IMO. Facts are never opinions. Either there are more features or there aren't.[/QUOTE]
That means that I can't find or see features, that are there.
Or that I find no great use for them.
Or that I can't explain it.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;29792400]Try an ATi/AMD card with Linux. See how their drivers handle OpenGL.
[sp]Like shit[/sp][/QUOTE]
nvidia has shit linux drivers too. trying to get the driver working properly on my netbook (ION) was a nightmare, and I still don't get proper video acceleration or anything.
[QUOTE=Xera;29846077]nvidia has shit linux drivers too. trying to get the driver working properly on my netbook (ION) was a nightmare, and I still don't get proper video acceleration or anything.[/QUOTE]
Stop using the shitty nouveau drivers and use the proprietary ones like you're supposed to.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;29825350]What's so bad about it? Never had a problem with CCC ever and I've owned an x800 XT, x1650 XT, 4850, 5870, and a 6950 over the past 6-7 years. I run MSI Afterburner and occasionally have my overclock reset but IIRC that's to do with the driver limiting overclocks past the max limit which just requires a restart of afterburner. Other than that the only thing I probably dislike is there's not as much options as there are with Nvidia that required ATI Tray Tools but I don't need to use that anymore.[/QUOTE]
I've never had a major problem with it working on daily basis apart from occasional instability that was solved by restarting it. The problem lies with it's interface. As Darkimmortal posted earlier, it's UI is horrendous. The old CCC wasn't too bad, but then they updated to this one which is a pile of shit. It's slow, the reorganization of it from being tab based to dropdown was a mistake, and I've had problems with it saving/adjusting settings.
Again, with daily usage it's perfectly fine, but nVidia's control panel is so much better; it's not even a contest.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;29812799]You never really upgrade at all do you? You just kinda do 140€+ sidesteps thrice a year don't you?
But it was very educational. Thanks for that good sir![/QUOTE]
My hardware updates were usually every 1-3 years, until I got my i5-750 (which I plan on keeping for a long while.) And even then, I just do a core upgrade (Motherboard/CPU/RAM if needed) and keep the same GPU and other accessories for as long as possible. Since I run a computer repair business, most of those cards were actually given to me because they were considered "old" by my clients, and they wanted something 6 months newer.
I think the most frequent "system upgrades" I've done were when I was trying to replace all of my single core computers in the house with more efficient and less power hungry dual cores. And even those were spread about a year apart.
[QUOTE=lavacano;29855961]Stop using the shitty nouveau drivers and use the proprietary ones like you're supposed to.[/QUOTE]
The nouveau driver works perfectly out of the box, actually. Getting the proprietary driver working properly was a horrible experience.
I hope this thread doesn't turn into a shitstorm.
[QUOTE=Xera;29873694]The nouveau driver works perfectly out of the box, actually. Getting the proprietary driver working properly was a horrible experience.[/QUOTE]
That's funny, because nouveau has a history of crashing X.Org on my system. Switch to the proprietary drivers and I'm suddenly pushing out 30-100 more FPS in Quake 3 than I was in Windows.
[editline]17th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=kaine123;29873955]I hope this thread doesn't turn into a shitstorm.[/QUOTE]
On ATI v nVidia? I don't see it happening unless someone takes a joke too far.
On nouveau v nVidia's proprietary Linux drivers? ...maybe.
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