We should get a new system that whenever someone rates themselves from now on, a red text, like the ban text, comes up saying "USERX has rated themselves. What a dumbass."
Or remove the ability to rate yourself overall
Or ban mrcsb
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25843860], and in no way does computer [i]science[/i] qualify you to give knowledge in an administrative field of [i]information technology[/i][/QUOTE]
lmfao
Personally CentOS
I use debian across all servers, it has great stability and the latest versions of all necessary software (I'm looking at you CentOS and your lack of PHP 5.3)
Windows ME
[QUOTE=nikomo;25844956]Suggest OP to use Windows Server 2008.[/QUOTE]
Look, the very fact you're suggesting that that's a bad idea shows that you have [b]zero[/b] idea what you're talking about. Some of the most important content distribution networks (aka: the internet) run on it, and are [b]far more stable[/b] than any distro of Linux will ever be. That's just the way it is, no matter how much you hate Microsoft's desktop OSes. Stop arguing against this, because it's fact.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25851710]Look, the very fact you're suggesting that that's a bad idea shows that you have [b]zero[/b] idea what you're talking about. Some of the most important content distribution networks (aka: the internet) run on it, and are [b]far more stable[/b] than any distro of Linux will ever be. That's just the way it is, no matter how much you hate Microsoft's desktop OSes. Stop arguing against this, because it's fact.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you even know what you're talking about.
Linux is by far the most popular operating system for running web servers, according to W3Techs survey of 1 million web servers 63.7% use Linux, with 33.7% running Windows.
Another survey last July of 38.5 million servers showed 74.29% running Linux.
I don't know where you get these crazy ideas from but the statistics clearly show Linux is #1 when it comes to web servers.
[QUOTE=aydin690;25802902]"For one it's not free"
You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you pay for a reboot every month, limited remote desktop connections, exploits once in a while, and you pay for the responsibility to manage CALs. A motherfucking bargain.
[QUOTE=aydin690;25803062]Also, windows server 2008 r2 is low on resources as well and it has as many features as a linux based servers have if not more. Being gui based isn't really a con anymore unless you're planning on running a server on your pc that you put together in 1996.[/QUOTE]
It will use more resources than pretty much any Linux based server, and will provide the same features. And the GUI is a useless strain on the system. Even inactive it uses resources that could be used for other things. Why do you think Server Core exists? But wait; that's limited in features because so much of Windows is hooked with the desktop.
[QUOTE=thf;25803217]For just a home server Linux is enough.[/QUOTE]
Or for any enterprise server, too. Windows or Linux has nothing to do with home or not home, and more to do with what you're going to run on it. Active Directory, ASP.NET, DFS? Sure, get Windows. (mostly) Anything else? Get Linux.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;25803401]Just get Linux. Win 2008 is pro tools and meant for far heavier usage, would be immense waste.[/QUOTE]
No, that is wrong. Both are meant to handle heavy usage, although it'd be weird to have anything mission critical on a Windows machine.
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;25847899]I use debian across all servers, it has great stability and the latest versions of all necessary software (I'm looking at you CentOS and your lack of PHP 5.3)[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://packages.debian.org/lenny/php5[/URL]
You were saying? A stock install of debian doesn't have php 5.3 either. You should use dotdeb.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25843860]obviously the OP can't afford the best OS for a server,[/QUOTE]
OpenBSD is a free download.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25851710]and are [B]far more stable[/B] than any distro of Linux will ever be. That's just the way it is, no matter how much you hate Microsoft's desktop OSes. Stop arguing against this, because it's fact.[/QUOTE]
Every 30 days, that is. Also it's not fact when you pull it out of your ass.
[QUOTE=Chryseus;25851894]I don't think you even know what you're talking about.
Linux is by far the most popular operating system for running web servers, according to W3Techs survey of 1 million web servers 63.7% use Linux, with 33.7% running Windows.
Another survey last July of 38.5 million servers showed 74.29% running Linux.
I don't know where you get these crazy ideas from but the statistics clearly show Linux is #1 when it comes to web servers.[/QUOTE]
Popular doesn't mean the best. I knew it would be only a matter of time until someone pulled out some stupid "point" like that.
Have you ever heard of all those fancy server OSes with the strange names that are the best in the industry? The ones that nobody uses because they don't need them, and they cost too much? Linux is free, and that's all most people care about, because they'll deal with its myriad issues themselves.
If you know how to read, you'll see that the topic says "best" OS, not "most popular". I mentioned the "best" OS within his price point, because I'm assuming he's a student and can get WS for free.
[editline]4th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=gparent;25851975]it'd be weird to have anything mission critical on a Windows machine.
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LOL you cannot be serious
seriously, just get out right now if that's what you think
[QUOTE=gparent;25851975]
Every 30 days, that is. Also it's not fact when you pull it out of your ass.[/QUOTE]
what are you even talking about?
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25852104]Popular doesn't mean the best. I knew it would be only a matter of time until someone pulled out some stupid "point" like that.[/QUOTE]
In this case, it really is. Ease of maintenance, low resource usage and good performance is what makes Linux servers popular. Not the cost. Big enterprises don't care that much about cost. And a lot of them run *nix servers.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25852104]LOL you cannot be serious
seriously, just get out right now if that's what you think
what are you even talking about?[/QUOTE]
Why don't you get out? It seems you have nothing to say.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25851710]Look, the very fact you're suggesting that that's a bad idea shows that you have [B]zero[/B] idea what you're talking about. Some of the most important content distribution networks (aka: the internet) run on it, and are [B]far more stable[/B] than any distro of Linux will ever be. That's just the way it is, no matter how much you hate Microsoft's desktop OSes. Stop arguing against this, because it's fact.[/QUOTE]
Windows Server is mostly only used in large corporations.
For use on an old computer in a home environment, it is completely overkill.
I thought Wikipedia runs on Ubuntu servers.
The definition of 'best' is up to the user, you may find Windows Server works best for you but for me Linux is the best, the problem is you seem to think everyone should be running Windows Server because in your opinion it is the 'best'.
Also where are these myriad of issues ? I've run many servers of various types on Linux and never had an issue with them.
[QUOTE=nikomo;25852211]Windows Server is mostly only used in large corporations.
For use on an old computer in a home environment, it is completely overkill.[/QUOTE]
Is that why MS makes a "Windows Home Server" product? j/w
[QUOTE=nikomo;25852211]Windows Server is mostly only used in large corporations.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and a lot of Windows Servers are there just because Active Directory integrates well with Windows. And then they buy other machines and run Windows because they already have Windows Servers.
It's not necessarily because it's the best OS out there. It has a lot to do with environment homogenization and the skill set of your sysadmins.
[editline]4th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=jaybuz;25852226]I thought Wikipedia runs on Ubuntu servers.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Fedora and Ubuntu. Every single tool they use is open source, according to a 2007 report.
[QUOTE=Chryseus;25852227]the problem is you seem to think everyone should be running Windows Server because in your opinion it is the 'best'.
Also where are these myriad of issues ? I've run many servers of various types on Linux and never had an issue with them.[/QUOTE]
LOL I'm not saying everyone should use it at all.
anyway, for one, linux is horribly fucking unstable. the code is generally pretty stable, but the ecosystem isn't. it's a fucking mess. you can either go with distros that update quickly, like ubuntu, and risk breaking everything to shit every half year, or you can go with a distro that never updates, like debian, and have to deal with all the security holes that never get patched because all the patches have to be ported downstream from updated versions and that never happens. OR you can go with a rolling-release system like arch and generally be okay until you get an update that completely breaks the system because it wasn't properly tested like it would be in a proper corporation (like MS)
source: personal experience
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25852302]or you can go with a distro that never updates, like debian, and have to deal with all the security holes that never get patched because all the patches have to be ported downstream from updated versions and that never happens. [/QUOTE]
It happens very often. I get emailed about security fixes regularly.
[QUOTE=gparent;25852345]It happens very often. I get emailed about security fixes regularly.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about [b]all[/b] of them, not the ones that are convenient to fix
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25852372]I'm talking about [b]all[/b] of them, not the ones that are convenient to fix[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes, me too. You forgot to rate yourself "Zing" this time, by the way.
[QUOTE=wingless;25802878]Have you used windows server? For one it's not free, And the fact he has a low resource system, And you know. did use windows server to fuck with. Wiped my 1TB HDD even though it was supposed to run off a separate partition.
And you know, Windows is my Preferred OS... FOR A DESKTOP.[/QUOTE]
First two are valid points, but it's just retarded to blame your failure on a OS. Windows doesn't simply reformat your drives like that, and I have easier to see that a Linux install could do that (automatic partitioning ftw)
ubuntu server is pretty inferior to freebsd or fedora or anything really
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25843860]running a minecraft server doesn't count as being a sysadmin, and in no way does computer [i]science[/i] qualify you to give knowledge in an administrative field of [i]information technology[/i]
obviously the OP can't afford the best OS for a server, but if he's at all serious about it he should probably consider a BSD or Windows Server 08 R2, not some shitty Linux distro that upgrades [b]EVERY SIX MONTHS!!!![/i] and breaks everything to shit[/QUOTE]
debian never updates what the fuck are you on
[editline]4th November 2010[/editline]
trolls trolling trolls etc.
[editline]4th November 2010[/editline]
it should be noted:
2 Months ago
Lithifold banned mrcsb for 1 Day in Minecraft Thread v36 with the reason “troll”
3 Months ago
Benji banned mrcsb for 3 Days in Post Your Desktop v7 with the reason “Trolling”
4 Months ago
birkett banned mrcsb for 3 Days in Post Your Foobar Screenshots v0.suckysucky5dorra with the reason “Shitposting”
trolling shitposter
ITT mrcsb doesn't what the difference is between release cycles and packages being updated.
[QUOTE=nikomo;25855652]ITT mrcsb doesn't what the difference is between release cycles and packages being updated.[/QUOTE]
LOL I can guarantee you I've been using Linux for [i]far[/i] longer than you have. Get off my lawn.
[editline]5th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;25855602]debian never updates what the fuck are you on
[editline]4th November 2010[/editline]
trolls trolling trolls etc.
[editline]4th November 2010[/editline]
it should be noted:
2 Months ago
Lithifold banned mrcsb for 1 Day in Minecraft Thread v36 with the reason “troll”
3 Months ago
Benji banned mrcsb for 3 Days in Post Your Desktop v7 with the reason “Trolling”
4 Months ago
birkett banned mrcsb for 3 Days in Post Your Foobar Screenshots v0.suckysucky5dorra with the reason “Shitposting”
trolling shitposter[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, [i]the troll card[/i]. I love how being blunt, hostile, or irritable on Facepunch is always met with cries of "troll!", no matter how serious the argument is. Why does it upset people so to be disagreed with, especially more so when the opposition presents a reasonable argument?
1) called a guy a faggot for begging for minecraft, while insulting most MC players for having aspergers (it's true)
2) called a guy a faggot for being incredibly rude to someone because their Linux kernel was 0.0.01 behind the current version (not a joke)
3) called a guy a faggot because he posted something nobody cares about (so I guess being called a shitposter was kinda fair, but so was he)
But my bad, [b]clearly[/b] I was trolling!
2 Days later and CentOS is at 96.8% and this thread has turned into a flame war :ohdear:
I really hope it works on this computer, using uTorrent makes my router shit itself and I can't use the internet at all while its downloading.
Also windows server isn't very sensible for a computer with these specs, considering it costs about 100x as much as this computer is worth
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25852242]Is that why MS makes a "Windows Home Server" product? j/w[/QUOTE]
How about stop rating yourself?
[QUOTE=gparent;25852247]Yeah, and a lot of Windows Servers are there just because Active Directory integrates well with Windows. And then they buy other machines and run Windows because they already have Windows Servers.
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Samba 4 should take care of the whole Active Directory problem.
@mrcsb It's aight' man. You can chill. Everyone's got their opinions. And you're sort of outnumbered right now. A lot of us know what we're talking and have a lot of experience in the field. If you want some respect from us you might want to start by changing your avatar.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;25843860]obviously the OP can't afford the best OS for a server[/QUOTE]
The best operating systems for a server aren't free. Except maybe red hat. But you aren't really paying for the operating system as much as you are support.
[editline]5th November 2010[/editline]
Also, @op what kind of computers are there on your home network? I used to use samba, but I just replaced it for afp and I get miles better performance. But that's on a mac. And I'm sure it would be the same on linux. But if you're using windows, want wider support, want less risk of vulneribility (due to the fact that samba only runs on the local network) stick with samba.
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