[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268919]this is mostly for my own use
not everyone needs a touch screen and electric motors in their car, that's why there are cheaper alternatives[/QUOTE]
jfc
the car still gets you from point a to point b if you take away touch screens and electric motors
you can't take away the networking functionality of a layer 3/4 tester and have it still be a layer 3/4 tester
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268919]this is mostly for my own use
not everyone needs a touch screen and electric motors in their car, that's why there are cheaper alternatives[/QUOTE]
but everyone needs a car, so there is a market for cheaper and more expensive ones
Not everyone is in the market for a small device to send packets to check connectivity. We're not saying there is no market for the device, there is. It's such an uncommon thing to sell that the room for competition is wide, but it's a niche thing so it most likely won't sell. Most technicians have a laptop on them if they want to do what you're trying to do.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268925]jfc
the car still gets you from point a to point b if you take away touch screens and electric motors
you can't take away the networking functionality of a layer 3/4 tester and have it still be a layer 3/4 tester[/QUOTE]
and still there are $100 phones from china that perform pretty much the same as a $800 brand-name ones here
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268936]and still there are $100 phones from china that perform pretty much the same as a $800 brand-name ones here[/QUOTE]
debatable
and you're missing the point
part of what you're paying the 1000 dollars for is a known manufacturer, with known quality standards
go to your procurement office (i mean imagine going to a procurement office), and asking for a server that you bought from adell, not dell
i guarantee you they'll laugh at you
You're not understanding the whole niche factor of your statement. It's not a monopoly if the market is open and available. Cheaper alternatives don't exist not because an established product exists and soaks the market, but because there is not enough demand.
Literally supply and demand.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268946]debatable
and you're missing the point
part of what you're paying the 1000 dollars for is a known manufacturer, with known quality standards
go to your procurement office (i mean imagine going to a procurement office), and asking for a server that you bought from adell, not dell
i guarantee you they'll laugh at you[/QUOTE]
at leat [I]it works[/I], and that's what i want the product to do, so does tp-link switches, so we don't have to buy $10000 ones, we save $9000!
never heard of that word, no
i don't give a shit about the manufacturer or their quality standards, if my $5 product doesn't work then i might consider getting the $500 one, i'm not gonna buy something for that amount of money that i'm gonna use like max once a year and then just put it in a drawer
[QUOTE=BackSapper;51268953]Literally supply and demand.[/QUOTE]
yeah it sucks, people with passion can't fulfill their dreams :(
Then don't buy it and find a different solution. There are plenty available.
[QUOTE=BackSapper;51268966]Then don't buy it and find a different solution. There are plenty available.[/QUOTE]
hmu fam, find me something that does what i want and isn't €200
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268973]hmu fam, find me something that does what i want and isn't €200[/QUOTE]
there isn't
end of story
[editline]27th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268963]at leat [I]it works[/I], and that's what i want the product to do, so does tp-link switches, so we don't have to buy $10000 ones, we save $9000!
never heard of that word, no
i don't give a shit about the manufacturer or their quality standards, if my $5 product doesn't work then i might consider getting the $500 one, [B]i'm not gonna buy something for that amount of money that i'm gonna use like max once a year and then just put it in a drawer[/B]
yeah it sucks, people with passion can't fulfill their dreams :([/QUOTE]
well you're not the target market of level 3/4 testers so the market is working perfectly
just against you
[QUOTE=Protocol7;51268453][URL]https://www.amazon.ca/SODIAL-10pcs-TrackPoint-Lenovo-Thinkpad/dp/B011KF0Q0W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477576489&sr=8-1&keywords=trackpoint+cap[/URL]
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I was able to buy the same thing (10 of them too) for $1 off eBay :v:
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268991]there isn't
end of story
[editline]27th October 2016[/editline]
well you're not the target market of level 3/4 testers so the market is working perfectly
just against you[/QUOTE]
yep, i'm just gonna have to suppress the urge of helping people :v:
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51269008]yep, i'm just gonna have to suppress the urge of helping people :v:[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.amazon.com/TL-MR3040-Wireless-Portable-Compatible-Selected/dp/B0088PPFP4[/url]
Try something like this. Maybe you can find a dirt cheap chinese knockoff, but it is TP-Link so it's pretty much already a cheap chinese knockoff.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51269018][url]https://www.amazon.com/TL-MR3040-Wireless-Portable-Compatible-Selected/dp/B0088PPFP4[/url]
Try something like this. Maybe you can find a dirt cheap chinese knockoff, but it is TP-Link so it's pretty much already a cheap chinese knockoff.[/QUOTE]
coincidentally, i actually have a japanese knockoff of one of those, but it needs microusb to power.. i guess i [I]could[/I] use the powerbank on it... it could actually work!
ok let's do a thought experiment
you work as the lead sysadmin for a decent sized company, your yearly equipment budget comes around and your budget is 100k usd
once you've been given that budget, your company expects you to spend it
option a. you spend all of it on quality equipment because you're expected to
option b. you think "i'm gonna save my company some money and not use all my budget" ok well then next year they shrink your budget
option c. you buy the cheaper equipment, but then spend the rest of your budget patching up the issues caused by budget equipment
the "buy the 100 dollar xiaomi phone" plan isn't something you should be doing in enterprise
i'm not the lead sysadmin, not the one in charge of the budget, nor using it.
we don't have 100k usd, not nearly. this isn't enterprise. we have to go cheap. non-profit.
the point i'm making is that if you're selling a niche product for IT, your primary market is enterprise
so you don't need to price things xiaomi cheap
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268842]and that's what i want, because a disconnected/broken jack doesn't blink at all[/QUOTE]
This is clearly a non-problem. You are trying to diagnose a fault by using the arbitrary "blinky-lights" method. We have established that the "blinky-lights" method is too expensive/complicated. We have not established what problem you are actually trying to solve.
Do you want to:
A) See if a port is patched
B) See if the NIC on a device is broken
C) Something completely different
?
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51269104]This is clearly a non-problem. You are trying to diagnose a fault by using the arbitrary "blinky-lights" method. We have established that the "blinky-lights" method is too expensive/complicated. We have not established what problem you are actually trying to solve.
Do you want to:
A) See if a port is patched
B) See if the NIC on a device is broken
C) Something completely different
?[/QUOTE]
He's trying to see if the port is patched
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51269088]the point i'm making is that if you're selling a niche product for IT, your primary market is enterprise
so you don't need to price things xiaomi cheap[/QUOTE]
yes, but usually there are chinese alternatives 10% of the price, regardless of the product, especially small electronics. i'm just surprised they haven't jumped on this
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51269104]This is clearly a non-problem. You are trying to diagnose a fault by using the arbitrary "blinky-lights" method. We have established that the "blinky-lights" method is too expensive/complicated. We have not established what problem you are actually trying to solve.
Do you want to:
A) See if a port is patched
B) See if the NIC on a device is broken
C) Something completely different
?[/QUOTE]
see if a port is patched yeah (probably), if it's sending any signals at all. a wall jack in an apartment. to see if it's connected to anything.
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51269109]yes, but usually there are chinese alternatives 10% of the price, regardless of the product, especially small electronics. i'm just surprised they haven't jumped on this
[/QUOTE]
You won't see chinese copies of many enterprise products.
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51269109]
see if a port is patched yeah (probably), if it's sending any signals at all. a wall jack in an apartment. to see if it's connected to anything.[/QUOTE]
Since you're not interested in hardware you'll need a device with a network stack. Just use a switch or something.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51269127]You won't see chinese copies of many enterprise products.
Since you're not interested in hardware you'll need a device with a network stack. Just use a switch or something.[/QUOTE]
i'm not looking for enterprise either, a $500 tester isn't even the ridiculous enterprise price honestly
but yeah they do copy almost everything
ye the portable router is probably my best bet
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51269152]i'm not looking for enterprise either, a $500 tester isn't even the ridiculous enterprise price honestly
but yeah they do copy almost everything
ye the portable router is probably my best bet[/QUOTE]
Just get a [URL="https://pockethernet.com/"]Pockethernet[/URL].
This is why we need "Bad reading" back.
Seriously though, the type of problem where the thing you're looking for seems like it's super costly for some relatively basic functionality is pretty much omnipresent. I see it all the time when looking at photo gear, it's like that because almost everyone who [I]needs[/I] whatever niche thing you want needs it to do their job better, so it's just another investment, whereas those of us who want it but aren't going to make money with it have to go with less elegant, roughly equally functional solutions.
For example, I use a portable lighting system quite a lot when doing photoshoots. It has two lights, a controller unit, some big ol' batteries and a wireless transmitter. The whole package is like $3000. There is no reason while I couldn't grab an extension cord and some cheap low-mid power studio lights and be on my merry way for like less than half of that, but I don't get all the extra features or practicality that come with the pro solution. It's obviously overpriced, but they can do that when their target market is people who are going to buy this stuff and use it to make all that money back anyways.
Dropped my iphone 6s in the toilet. I can't open it to see how bad it is inside but I immediately turned it off and got as much water out as possible then went to the store and bought a bag of rice and put the phone in it. Is there anything else I can do?
So the new MacBook Pro got announced. I found it interesting that they are putting a up to 4GB VRAM AMD mobile GPU in it. That's going to be useful. Mine has 4GB VRAM.
[QUOTE=garychencool;51269833]So the new MacBook Pro got announced. I found it interesting that they are putting a up to 4GB VRAM AMD mobile GPU in it. That's going to be useful. Mine has 4GB VRAM.[/QUOTE]
Damn that looks good.
My only gripe right now is the lack of Swiss keyboard layout support. I'm going to wait and see if there's gonna be some news regarding this from some local apple resellers. Gonna wait a while to be safe. They are gonna have shipping issues anyway, so I'm prolly not gonna get one before christmas anyway.
considering flipping back to windows laptops
that surface book is looking mighty tempting now, if i sell my rMBP i could probably get 1200 usd or so, meaning i could get a surface book without the dGPU for like 800, or the surface book with the dGPU for 1600 or so
The new MacBook Pro looks really nice, but it only has USB-C connectors. That's a deal breaker for me though, since I don't want to use an adapter every time I want to plug something in.
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51269109]yes, but usually there are chinese alternatives 10% of the price, regardless of the product, especially small electronics. i'm just surprised they haven't jumped on this
see if a port is patched yeah (probably), if it's sending any signals at all. a wall jack in an apartment. to see if it's connected to anything.[/QUOTE]
buy a netbook or even a umpc and stick netcat/mtr in it then
[QUOTE=Levelog;51268497]Great. Dunno why Reagy didn't mention them. One of the few companies that makes great cards in both AMD and Nvidia models.[/QUOTE]
Didn't mention them because never had an MSI card, plus they tend to be more expensive than the rest on the market.
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