• CIPWTTKT&GC V41 - I understood some words
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[QUOTE=Makol;51268523]Heir motherboards aren't that great imo. Never owned one of their GPUs, but if I get a 1060 ir'll probably be from MSI.[/QUOTE] They hit the low end well for the Z series. Ultra high end too. Motherboards (z series only) pretty much go like this. Low: MSI, ASUS Low-mid: MSI Mid: Gigabyte, ASUS Mid-high: Gigabyte, ASRock (Ext6 only) High: ASUS, Gigabyte Ultrahigh: MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] Obviously there are exceptions in either direction but it's generally accurate.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51268004][url]https://pockethernet.com/[/url] It's not that expensive.[/QUOTE] for my usage, €199 is 1000% too much otg ethernet adapter is kinda clever though, can't remember if any of ours have led's on them however
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268637]for my usage, €199 is 1000% too much otg ethernet adapter is kinda clever though, can't remember if any of ours have led's on them however[/QUOTE] So you want a device for that costs between 0 and -19,90 €? You could use any cheapass ethernet device I guess. Network Cube etc.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51268670]So you want a device for that costs between 0 and -19,90 €? You could use any cheapass ethernet device I guess. Network Cube etc.[/QUOTE] i'm not good with maths :v: but yeah i'm not willing to spend over like €10 on it, that tiny use area doesn't deserve more cash imo
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268678]i'm not good with maths :v: but yeah i'm not willing to spend over like €10 on it, that tiny use area doesn't deserve more cash imo[/QUOTE] well here's the rub a simple continuity tester costs 10 bucks at the least now you want it to also handle tx/rx of packets?
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268686]well here's the rub a simple continuity tester costs 10 bucks at the least now you want it to also handle tx/rx of packets?[/QUOTE] so will it blink if i plug it into a switch/jack? that's what i want it to do, to check if the wall jack is dead or not i've already heard a no, so..
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268701]so will it blink if i plug it into a switch/jack? that's what i want it to do, to check if the wall jack is dead or not i've already heard a no, so..[/QUOTE] to check if your wall jack is dead or not without connecting the continuity tester where that jack meets the switch on the other end it needs to make a connection through an arbitrary network to another ethernet dongle on a known good port that's what we like to call networking, not continuity so no
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268721]to check if your wall jack is dead or not without connecting in on the other end it needs to make a connection through an arbitrary network to another ethernet dongle on a known good port that's what we like to call networking, not continuity so no[/QUOTE] so i guess it's not possible then? no portable ethernet jacks with led's on them? alright
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268730]so i guess it's not possible then? no portable ethernet jacks with led's on them? alright[/QUOTE] ok serious question that's gonna sound dickish you're a sysadmin, but do you have any understanding of the concepts that you're generally supposed to have to actually sysadmin properly? ethernet isn't a magic cable that's logically high at all times
You need a device to get an IP from the routers DHCP server and be able to send and receive packets. A simple line tester/toner probe does nothing for you.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268746]ok serious question that's gonna sound dickish you're a sysadmin, but do you have any understanding of the concepts that you're generally supposed to have to actually sysadmin properly? ethernet isn't a magic cable that's logically high at all times[/QUOTE] i don't do hardware, and i'm not very interested in it either this device wouldn't be for work really, just to carry around and check if someone's network card port is broken or not etc [QUOTE=BackSapper;51268760]You need a device to get an IP from the routers DHCP server and be able to send and receive packets. A simple line tester/toner probe does nothing for you.[/QUOTE] but the network card led's blink regardless if it's connected to a dhcp/server
i mean technically you could send to broadcast and have something reply to broadcast although do devices that haven't been allocated an ip actually get a broadcast [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268764]i don't do hardware, and i'm not very interested in it either this device wouldn't be for work really, just to carry around and check if someone's network card port is broken or not etc [B]but the network card led's blink regardless if it's connected to a dhcp/server[/B][/QUOTE] aaaaaaaaaaaaaa [del]because it's asking "hello dhcp server" "hello dhcp server" "hello dhcp server" "hello dhcp server"[/del] link lights are layer one and as such them blinking could be any number of things (thanks levelog) [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] the network card leds are not an indication of tcp/udp packets they're an indication of the physical tx/rx status
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268768]i mean technically you could send to broadcast and have something reply to broadcast although do devices that haven't been allocated an ip actually get a broadcast [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] aaaaaaaaaaaaaa because it's asking "hello dhcp server" "hello dhcp server" "hello dhcp server" "hello dhcp server"[/QUOTE] Umm, no? Link lights are definitely not as high level as layer 3.
Computer is trying to get an IP address, but it is stopping. Computers are too dumb and they will keep sending requests until the request is met. Ex. When the Twitter DNS went down, your computers local DNS cache knows where the server is, but it always wants to cross reference the external DNS. It kept sending requests because it doesn't know it's down, only you know. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model[/url] You should really know how to determine where a fault is in the network by following the OSI model.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51268793]Umm, no? Link lights are definitely not as high level as layer 3.[/QUOTE] amended my post during the time you replied to what i think is correct
Ah, yeah. You are correct.
to be fair my networking class said "here's the OSI model but we're never gonna look at it again"
That is literally what my class is like right now. REMEMBER THIS WHOLE TABLE, K NEVER GONNA MENTION IT AGAIN.
My old boss quizzed me a couple times a week on it, he was obsessed. This was before I was promoted to Jr Network Engineer there too and was just a call center drone. My favorite response was "I prefer the TCP/IP model"
[QUOTE=Levelog;51268823]My old boss quizzed me a couple times a week on it, he was obsessed. This was before I was promoted to Jr Network Engineer there too and was just a call center drone. My favorite response was "I prefer the TCP/IP model"[/QUOTE] i prefer TCP/IP too OSI makes some weird overreaches about what a network model actually is imo to me, presentation isn't part of the network model you just use the network
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268768]the network card leds are not an indication of tcp/udp packets they're an indication of the physical tx/rx status[/QUOTE] and that's what i want, because a disconnected/broken jack doesn't blink at all
IPv6 link local addresses are magical.
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268842]and that's what i want, because a disconnected/broken jack doesn't blink at all[/QUOTE] but port testers don't tx/rx, they're just a continuity tester and you can't use a continuity tester because you don't have access to both ends of the patch cable
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268855]but port testers don't tx/rx, they're just a continuity tester and you can't use a continuity tester because you don't have access to both ends of the patch cable[/QUOTE] so it's not possible then. feels like there's a market for it though
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268869]so it's not possible then. feels like there's a market for it though[/QUOTE] it's possible just not on your shoestring budget [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] you cannot check an ethernet jack (without plugging the terminating end of that jack into a port tester specifically) remaining on layer one (99% sure) to arbitrarily check any jack at any time you need to go up to layer 3/4
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268873]it's possible just not on your shoestring budget [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] you cannot check an ethernet jack without plugging the terminating end of that jack into a port tester specifically remaining on layer one (99% sure) to arbitrarily check any jack at any time you need to go up to layer 3/4[/QUOTE] it's not a market unless there are cheap options available, otherwise it's a monopoly
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268887]it's not a market unless there are cheap options available, otherwise it's a monopoly[/QUOTE] uh normally IT departments have budgets the only people who need these things work for IT departments [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] also i don't think you understand how monopolies work like at all
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51268887]it's not a market unless there are cheap options available, otherwise it's a monopoly[/QUOTE] Yeah not at all.
so is the luxury car world a monopoly? since you can't get a car equivalent to a 130k bmw for the price of a ford focus? no lol why should niche IT equipment be any different
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268888]uh normally IT departments have budgets the only people who need these things work for IT departments [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] also i don't think you understand how monopolies work like at all[/QUOTE] this is mostly for my own use [QUOTE=LordCrypto;51268910]so is the luxury car world a monopoly? since you can't get a car equivalent to a 130k bmw for the price of a ford focus? no lol why should niche IT equipment be any different[/QUOTE] not everyone needs a touch screen and electric motors in their car, that's why there are cheaper alternatives
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