• Apple and Mac Discussion
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[QUOTE=Kaabii;42024916]That'd probably be October. Sone people would say Haswell doesn't matter because there aren't really any performance improvements, but any battery increase is nice and they'll definitely move to PCI-E storage so you'll get those awesome I/O speeds from the MBA.[/QUOTE] actually haswell presents not only battery life, but also graphic performance for the lower end integrated graphics. so yea, i think it does matter.
[QUOTE=Troll;42025608]actually haswell presents not only battery life, but also graphic performance for the lower end integrated graphics. [b]so yea, i think it does matter.[/b][/QUOTE] Cool, I never said it didn't, I said some people would say it doesn't. Also, the gains are negligible with the low end IGPs, the only ones that are decent are the iris chips. [editline]30th August 2013[/editline] Also I don't know if there's even a dual core iris pro chip that Intel makes so the 13" model may still suffer from lacking GPU performance. [editline]30th August 2013[/editline] Yeah no i5 for mobile uses iris pro, just one of them uses the iris 5100, which doesn't have the eDRAM so it's significantly inferior.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;42025643]Cool, I never said it didn't, I said some people would say it doesn't. Also, the gains are negligible with the low end IGPs, the only ones that are decent are the iris chips. [editline]30th August 2013[/editline] Also I don't know if there's even a dual core iris pro chip that Intel makes so the 13" model may still suffer from lacking GPU performance.[/QUOTE] Who cares what "some people" would say? Let the stats talk. There are significat gains between the hd 4000 and hd 5000 integrated graphics: [url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7072/intel-hd-5000-vs-hd-4000-vs-hd-4400[/url] some games net as much as a 40.8% increase in fps, while others net next to nothing (2.3%) general 3dmark benchmarks are also significantly higher.
[QUOTE=Troll;42025721]There are significat gains between the hd 4000 and hd 5000 integrated graphics: [url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7072/intel-hd-5000-vs-hd-4000-vs-hd-4400[/url] some games net as much as a 40.8% increase in fps, while others net next to nothing (2.3%) general 3dmark benchmarks are also significantly higher.[/QUOTE] I think the low differences might be because it's more of a cpu bottleneck
[QUOTE=Troll;42025721]Who cares what "some people" would say? Let the stats talk. There are significat gains between the hd 4000 and hd 5000 integrated graphics: [url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7072/intel-hd-5000-vs-hd-4000-vs-hd-4400[/url] some games net as much as a 40.8% increase in fps, while others net next to nothing (2.3%) general 3dmark benchmarks are also significantly higher.[/QUOTE] Why are you trying to create an argument that doesn't exist? The statement meant people might not care because there's no increase to CPU performance. Nobody specifically was named, I never voiced that opinion myself, and it's a matter of opinion if it matters to a person or not.
erm... heres whats happening: You: Some people would say Haswell doesn't matter because there aren't really any performance improvements Me: actually haswell presents not only battery life, but also graphic performance for the lower end integrated graphics. (Rated me dumb.) You: The gains are negligible with the low end IGPs. Me: No, they aren't negligible, they can be significant. Here are some stats. (Rated me dumb.) You: Why are you trying to create an argument that doesn't exist? The statement meant people might not care because there's no increase to CPU performance. Nobody specifically was named, I never voiced that opinion myself, and it's a matter of opinion if it matters to a person or not. This is a forum, arguements are meant to be created. But here are some facts: Haswell was insignificant for the desktop but more significant for mobile devices. You say that performance that hasn't improved? Well, the CPU has improved slightly (3-5%) but the IGPhas improved significantly, all the while lowering TDP and power consumption. Most modern laptops aren't bottlenecked by their CPU performance, but their GPU performance. So intels improvements in the igp section is significant and important.
[QUOTE=Troll;42026181]erm... heres whats happening: You: Some people would say Haswell doesn't matter because there aren't really any performance improvements Me: actually haswell presents not only battery life, but also graphic performance for the lower end integrated graphics. (Rated me dumb.) You: The gains are negligible with the low end IGPs. Me: No, they aren't negligible, they can be significant. Here are some stats. (Rated me dumb.) You: Why are you trying to create an argument that doesn't exist? The statement meant people might not care because there's no increase to CPU performance. Nobody specifically was named, I never voiced that opinion myself, and it's a matter of opinion if it matters to a person or not. This is a forum, arguements are meant to be created. But here are some facts: Haswell was insignificant for the desktop but more significant for mobile devices. You say that performance that hasn't improved? Well, the CPU has improved slightly (3-5%) but the IGPhas improved significantly, all the while lowering TDP and power consumption. Most modern laptops aren't bottlenecked by their CPU performance, but their GPU performance. So intels improvements in the igp section is significant and important.[/QUOTE] mountains out of molehills, buddy
I rated you dumb because your posts are dumb, because like said above you're making a mountain out of a molehill. BTW you said low end IGP, the HD 5000 is not Intel's low end, the low end is HD 4400 and 4600, which DO in fact have nothing significant with regard to a performance increase over the ivy bridge HD 4000. Again, you're picking fights for no reason, and within those fights you're not even staying consistent with what you're arguing. If you want to scream at strawmen there's plenty of places to do that, but I wouldn't say the best place is Facepunch HW&SW.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;42026340]I rated you dumb because your posts are dumb, because like said above you're making a mountain out of a molehill. BTW you said low end IGP, the HD 5000 is not Intel's low end, the low end is HD 4400 and 4600, which DO in fact have nothing significant with regard to a performance increase over the ivy bridge HD 4000. Again, you're picking fights for no reason, and within those fights you're not even staying consistent with what you're arguing. If you want to scream at strawmen there's plenty of places to do that, but I wouldn't say the best place is Facepunch HW&SW.[/QUOTE] You said the only decent ones are the iris. I pointed you to the hd 5000 which are decent. I don't think you understand the difference between a discussino and a fight/arguement. The HD 5000 is lower end. I didn't say low end. I said lower end. You must have reading comprehension issues.
At WQXGA which was the CONTEXT, the eDRAM of the iris pro will have a large performance impact. Your game benchmarks at 1366x768 to 1920x1080 are not an accurate reflection of how it will perform powering a high resolution display. Maybe if you'd actually read the entirety of the expanded version article you linked(which I already have done so in the past), you would have read the part about crystalwell and the inherent issues with IGPs that don't have their own memory. It sets the HD 5000 and 5100 with less than 1/3rd the memory bandwidth of the iris pro. Now, if you would look at recent SoC developments in the mobile world, and more specifically Apple's A series SoCs, you'd see the significance of having high memory bandwidth when powering a high resolution display.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;42026442]At WQXGA which was the CONTEXT, the eDRAM of the iris pro will have a large performance impact. Your game benchmarks at 1366x768 to 1920x1080 are not an accurate reflection of how it will perform powering a high resolution display. Maybe if you'd actually read the entirety of the expanded version article you linked(which I already have done so in the past), you would have read the part about crystalwell and the inherent issues with IGPs that don't have their own memory. It sets the HD 5000 and 5100 with less than 1/3rd the memory bandwidth of the iris pro. Now, if you would look at recent SoC developments in the mobile world, and more specifically Apple's A series SoCs, you'd see the significance of having high memory bandwidth when powering a high resolution display.[/QUOTE] How is the relevant to anything we've been discussing?
[QUOTE=Troll;42026575]How is the relevant to anything we've been discussing?[/QUOTE] I now see the significance of your username. I'm just going to stop responding to maintain my own sanity.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;42026616]I now see the significance of your username. I'm just going to stop responding to maintain my own sanity.[/QUOTE] We've been talking about the hd 5000 igp and the significance of haswell. that post was purely about why iris is high performance, which is not relevant in the slightest bit to our discussion.
I'm just sitting here, hoping the next-gen iMacs move to 700M chips instead of Haswell ones... Haswell is strongly rumored, but it just doesn't make sense for a PC geared toward A/V enthusiasts.
It kicks out less heat, which means they can make it thinner.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;42026796']It kicks out less heat, which means they can make it thinner.[/QUOTE] If you're replying to my post, I'd say that the iMacs really don't need to get any thinner... They're a desktop, not a laptop, after all.
[QUOTE=woolio1;42026815]If you're replying to my post, I'd say that the iMacs really don't need to get any thinner... They're a desktop, not a laptop, after all.[/QUOTE] Agreed, but thinner is more appealing to the average customer.
[QUOTE=woolio1;42026778]I'm just sitting here, hoping the next-gen iMacs move to 700M chips instead of Haswell ones... Haswell is strongly rumored, but it just doesn't make sense for a PC geared toward A/V enthusiasts.[/QUOTE] i have always seen imacs as light video and photography/editing computers, for heavy audio/video work most people are going to roll with a mac pro
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42027214]i have always seen imacs as light video and photography/editing computers, for heavy audio/video work most people are going to roll with a mac pro[/QUOTE] I feel like if they moved to an integrated chip they could still run into issues with the stuff iMac users do. I know when I get a rMBP I'll want to do some heavily layered and high resolution work in photoshop, and probably some decently intensive stuff in after effects and I worry about the 13" model using Intel's iGPU. I think iMac users would be even more upset than I would be, given their computers would cost more and be desktops. But I honestly don't know if it'll have any negative impact, I just know I've gotten situations where my CPU+GPU are pretty much maxed out when working with giant GIFs in photoshop.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;42027316]I feel like if they moved to an integrated chip they could still run into issues with the stuff iMac users do. I know when I get a rMBP I'll want to do some heavily layered and high resolution work in photoshop, and probably some decently intensive stuff in after effects and I worry about the 13" model using Intel's iGPU. I think iMac users would be even more upset than I would be, given their computers would cost more and be desktops. But I honestly don't know if it'll have any negative impact, I just know I've gotten situations where my CPU+GPU are pretty much maxed out when working with giant GIFs in photoshop.[/QUOTE] Guys guys guys I can solve this: Don't buy a mac with an integrated gpu in it
Decided to take the plunge and but my first mac, picked up at 2013 MBA last night and I'm really loving it so far. I only really need it for university so it's perfect and the keyboard and trackpad are really heavenly. Any tips you guys could give me as this is really foreign to me.
I used a Magic Trackpad a lot in work (mainly for vertical/horizontal scrolling) and now I've left and i'm missing it :( (The trackpad, that is)
[QUOTE=Periwinkle;42028039]Guys guys guys I can solve this: Don't buy a mac with an integrated gpu in it[/QUOTE] Except the discussion was what would occur if Apple just used Haswell integrated in iMacs. "Don't buy a mac with an integrated gpu in it" becomes "Don't buy a mac" if they all were to get integrated GPUs. I doubt it'll happen, but with where Apple is headed as a company it's not impossible, especially with more and more iMac users just being typical Facebook and banking users.
[QUOTE=DOG X9282;42031684]Decided to take the plunge and but my first mac, picked up at 2013 MBA last night and I'm really loving it so far. I only really need it for university so it's perfect and the keyboard and trackpad are really heavenly. Any tips you guys could give me as this is really foreign to me.[/QUOTE] you could get something like f.lux to sort colour at night if the dock is too big or too annoying you can make it 2D (google 2D dock) i'd recommend you put a downloads folder and applications and documents folder in your dock so you drag images straight off the web into it, then drag it back into the upload page (since you can't copy/paste URLs into the upload page) you should get VLC for video to take a screenshot you press cmd+shift+3 for the full screen and cmd+shift+4 for a selection. press space after the 4 one to screenshot just a window. press ctrl+cmd+shift+3/4 to copy iamge to clipboard and not save to desktop. CloudApp is free and lets you upload any image on the clipboard automatically. [editline]31st August 2013[/editline] you can switch between spaces with three fingers (full screen apps) check out system prefs for a full idea of what you can do
Mplayer2 + MplayerX >>> VLC [editline]31st August 2013[/editline] also with osx i seriously reccomend getting to know bash, it's an incredibly useful tool once you know how to script with it. you can do pretty much anything you want with the system
[QUOTE=DOG X9282;42031684]Decided to take the plunge and but my first mac, picked up at 2013 MBA last night and I'm really loving it so far. I only really need it for university so it's perfect and the keyboard and trackpad are really heavenly. Any tips you guys could give me as this is really foreign to me.[/QUOTE] DONT USE OFFICE FOR MAC. It's really bloated. I'm not one of those self indugent Mac users that hates everything Microsoft does, fact is I really love windows just as much as I like OS X, But man, iWork works SO MUCH better then office for mac.
[QUOTE=Periwinkle;42035540]DONT USE OFFICE FOR MAC. It's really bloated. I'm not one of those self indugent Mac users that hates everything Microsoft does, fact is I really love windows just as much as I like OS X, But man, iWork works SO MUCH better then office for mac.[/QUOTE] Would if I could, but university guidelines require it.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42033130]Mplayer2 + MplayerX >>> VLC [editline]31st August 2013[/editline] also with osx i seriously reccomend getting to know bash, it's an incredibly useful tool once you know how to script with it. you can do pretty much anything you want with the system[/QUOTE] I love MplayerX, it's like VLC versatility with QuickTime's not looking like dog testicles plus a few more cool things like automatically going to the next video in the folder. Makes watching TV Shows so much easier. [editline]31st August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=woolio1;42035546]Would if I could, but university guidelines require it.[/QUOTE] You can save and open word files, the uni will never know :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=Periwinkle;42035540]DONT USE OFFICE FOR MAC. It's really bloated. I'm not one of those self indugent Mac users that hates everything Microsoft does, fact is I really love windows just as much as I like OS X, But man, iWork works SO MUCH better then office for mac.[/QUOTE] i disagree. i prefer it to iwork. both are bloated but at least office is compatible.
[QUOTE=Periwinkle;42035540]DONT USE OFFICE FOR MAC. It's really bloated. I'm not one of those self indugent Mac users that hates everything Microsoft does, fact is I really love windows just as much as I like OS X, But man, iWork works SO MUCH better then office for mac.[/QUOTE] iWork has some sweet ass features Pages => Does not mess up formatting, excellent for good, simple designs too. Keynote => Has the ability to record it, one of our teachers actually wanted this for Powerpoint a while ago. It also has one thing which I adore and think they should make to a seperate application... Alpha Mask. That thing works so fucking good that I had better results than I could get with Photoshop. But due to the fact that freaking everyone uses Word and it does not exist for Windows. I cannot touch this software anymore. Used it 24/7 for a year though.
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