Android Thread V4 - Got money? Samsung Galaxy S II. No money? ZTE Blade. - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=Xera;31495747]This is a known issue and there are threads about it on XDA. No idea if anyone's found a solution though.[/QUOTE] On every device? Well google better get their shit together with 4.0.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31495187]Heat is still a big deal man, phones shouldn't be getting hot. If the heatsinks are doing their jobs then it shouldn't be hot.[/QUOTE] Where is the heat meant to go once it is dissipated by the heatsink? Out of the device. That's like saying the air coming out of your GPU fan shouldn't be hot. [editline]3rd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=garrynohome;31495766]On every device? Well google better get their shit together with 4.0.[/QUOTE] I'm talking specifically about the SGS2. [editline]3rd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31494219]Are there actual numbers in terms of GPS sensitivity/time to first fix for warm start and cold start? All I've found is a video of the GSII being able to lock on in Google Maps, no actual numbers in terms of accuracy/average satellite dBm, etc. [/QUOTE] Near instant lock for me, even inside my work which is a giant metal box. [QUOTE] But at the same time heat is a huge cause of early death for electronics. The only time my phone gets hot is from charging. Unless somehow I have an app pushing the CPU to the limit, my phone never goes past 40 C in the weather I've been through, which is anywhere from 50 F-90 F (10C-32C), even if you don't think it matters, heat matters. If you choose to let your GPU go to 95C and not worry about it because ATI/Nvidia says that it's within normal operating temperatures, you're kidding yourself. [/QUOTE] If it's within spec the device is built to handle that temperature, so you're limiting what you can do with your hardware if you're going to ignore what the people who designed the silicon say about it and instead go with what you think is best.

[QUOTE=Xera;31495897]Where is the heat meant to go once it is dissipated by the heatsink? Out of the device. That's like saying the air coming out of your GPU fan shouldn't be hot.[/QUOTE] But that would be assuming Hunt3r's arguments are supposed to contain logic. [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [quote]I'm talking specifically about the SGS2.[/quote] Oh ok.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;31484609]Screen protectors that apply themselves on the screen without forming air bubbles would be a blessing.[/QUOTE] The glass ones you can get seem to be pretty good at this as they don't flop about, you just place one solid piece onto the front of your phone. They're really expensive though. (Like $30 for one) Oh and they also completely screw up the touch screen when charging, input becomes sporadic.

I'm not talking about how something conducts heat, but overall operating temps of the internals.

Anyone know any app that mimics the IOS5 notification bar? Or the widgets it had on the IOS 5 notification?,

[QUOTE=Xera;31495897]Where is the heat meant to go once it is dissipated by the heatsink? Out of the device. That's like saying the air coming out of your GPU fan shouldn't be hot.[/QUOTE] From what it sounds like the GS2 is making too much heat to begin with, which is concerning. Almost all of the time phones are in deep sleep mode, and when it's on usually I don't see temps past 40C. This isn't about heat dissipation, it's about how all that heat came about in the first place. [QUOTE=Xera;31495897]Near instant lock for me, even inside my work which is a giant metal box.[/QUOTE] Locktime when you clear A-GPS data and do a cold fix? It sounds like you're doing a warm fix, which should take no more than 5-10 seconds. Accuracy with a good view of the sky should be 12-15 feet when standing still. At least 4 satellites should be above 20 dBm in SnR. That's what I would consider to be a solid GPS. [QUOTE=Xera;31495897]If it's within spec the device is built to handle that temperature, so you're limiting what you can do with your hardware if you're going to ignore what the people who designed the silicon say about it and instead go with what you think is best.[/QUOTE] No I'm going with the general idea that I'd rather keep my hardware from spiking 30C+ from idle temps for my GPU, I've seen way too many GPUs that die from 3 years of use. Anyone who wants to even attempt OCing a GPU needs to have a custom cooling solution. A GPU may be okay with high heat at first, but it will shorten lifetimes.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31496543]I'm not talking about how something conducts heat, but overall operating temps of the internals.[/QUOTE] [quote]If the heatsinks are doing their jobs then it shouldn't be hot.[/quote] I'm quite certain that statement says that a good heatsink makes all heat disappear. If you were talking about the temps of the internals then why would you have brought up the device being hot to the touch? How about you just quit posting about this, it's obvious you won't listen to Xera, me or even the people who designed the devices. You're right, everyone else is wrong, just drop it and stop posting. [editline]3rd August 2011[/editline] [quote]No I'm going with the general idea that I'd rather keep my hardware from spiking 30C+ from idle temps for my GPU, I've seen way too many GPUs that die from 3 years of use. Anyone who wants to even attempt OCing a GPU needs to have a custom cooling solution. A GPU may be okay with high heat at first, but it will shorten lifetimes.[/quote] Oh god, this is impressively dumb. I've had an 8800GT with the core, shader and memory clocks bumped up since the day I got it. It's a stock version with stock cooler and it still works fine. My GTX 260 that I overclocked also works perfectly.

Is it me or does searching on XDA not work in the stock browser? I tap on the text entry and it moves about and just closes.

[QUOTE=garrynohome;31495692]He thinks that a display that can have the saturation changed is always over saturated. Most likely due to the fact that he's never used a Galaxy S II. But I brought that point up in an earlier argument and he continued to insist that even though he had never seen the screen, that S-IPS screens were superior and had better color accuracy.[/QUOTE] In the case of the GSII they ship it with settings that make it oversaturated, and without professional-grade color calibration tools it's not easily fixed. P-IPS will have higher color gamut, but there are tools that will actually calibrate the colors properly and software that will properly display the colors it uses.

[QUOTE=Xera;31496741]Is it me or does searching on XDA not work in the stock browser? I tap on the text entry and it moves about and just closes.[/QUOTE] I have the issue as well on CM7.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31496765]In the case of the GSII they ship it with settings that make it oversaturated, and without professional-grade color calibration tools it's not easily fixed. P-IPS will have higher color gamut, but there are tools that will actually calibrate the colors properly and software that will properly display the colors it uses.[/QUOTE] Just stop posting. You can't prove this statement without owning one, and you don't own one. So go post in some other thread.

[QUOTE=garrynohome;31496706]I'm quite certain that statement says that a good heatsink makes all heat disappear. If you were talking about the temps of the internals then why would you have brought up the device being hot to the touch? How about you just quit posting about this, it's obvious you won't listen to Xera, me or even the people who designed the devices. You're right, everyone else is wrong, just drop it and stop posting.[/QUOTE] Because when something is hot to the touch that means there's too much fucking heat being generated in the first place. Stop trying to misunderstand what I'm saying. [QUOTE=garrynohome;31496706]Oh god, this is impressively dumb. I've had an 8800GT with the core, shader and memory clocks bumped up since the day I got it. It's a stock version with stock cooler and it still works fine. My GTX 260 that I overclocked also works perfectly.[/QUOTE] Wonderful, but I'd love you to do the same with a GTX590 or anything newer than a GTX4xx. You may be okay with 70C temps, but it will shorten the lifetime of a semiconductor, plain and simple.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;31496786]Loving them new nightly builds for cyanogen on my device, this is on stock clock so I could be getting even more points on quadrant [img]http://s3.noelshack.com/uploads/images/14908004850420_neat2.png[/img][/QUOTE] With the I/O taking up such a large portion of it the score isn't that impressive. Run a test in Vellamo.

[QUOTE=garrynohome;31496789]Just stop posting. You can't prove this statement without owning one, and you don't own one. So go post in some other thread.[/QUOTE] And at the end of the day, the overblown colors of SAMOLED+ means that unless there's a setting to tone it down, the colors will look rather cartoony.

[quote]Wonderful, but I'd love you to do the same with a GTX590 or anything newer than a GTX4xx. You may be okay with 70C temps, but it will shorten the lifetime of a semiconductor, plain and simple. [/quote] Already done it. Got a GTX 560 Ti running at 1060MHz core and 5000MHz memory. I'll let you know when it fails. Now I'm going to end this discussion as it has somehow become one about desktop GPUs. I can't prevent your terrible posts but I can easily [url=http://www.facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=231168]ignore them[/url]. Good day.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31496916]And at the end of the day, the overblown colors of SAMOLED+ means that unless there's a setting to tone it down, the colors will look rather cartoony.[/QUOTE] The setting is built right into the display section of the settings app.

I've noticed some colour banding on my device (ZTE Blade), is there any fix other than Chainfire3D (works on 1GHz+ devices only)?

[QUOTE=Xera;31496965]The setting is built right into the display section of the settings app.[/QUOTE] In which case this debate would've been resolved about 10 posts ago if this was said earlier.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31497006]In which case this debate would've been resolved about 10 posts ago if this was said earlier.[/QUOTE] I said it back on page 46 you dumbass.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31496828]Wonderful, but I'd love you to do the same with a GTX590 or anything newer than a GTX4xx. You may be okay with 70C temps, but it will shorten the lifetime of a semiconductor, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] If a chip is designed to run at 70C it's designed to run at 70C. What do you not understand? My kettle is designed to heat the water to boiling, so I'm not going to stop it short because it might increase the life of the heating element. There's no point buying a high end card which is going to get hot under load and not using it to its potential because it gets hot. Might as well buy a low end card, but then you're going to refuse to use that to the manufacturer's specifications because it gets hot. Manufacturers would not sell devices that fail consistently under normal use.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;31497021][img]http://s3.noelshack.com/uploads/images/15596573476671_neat.png[/img] Not bad I guess[/QUOTE] And what device is this again?

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;31497051]Moto Defy[/QUOTE] That's very impressive for the defy.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;31496828]Because when something is hot to the touch that means there's too much fucking heat being generated in the first place. Stop trying to misunderstand what I'm saying. Wonderful, but I'd love you to do the same with a GTX590 or anything newer than a GTX4xx. You may be okay with 70C temps, but it will shorten the lifetime of a semiconductor, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] 70 °C? That's a pretty normal temperature for a videocard. 100-110 °C is when things go bad.

[QUOTE=Xera;31497032]If a chip is designed to run at 70C it's designed to run at 70C. What do you not understand? My kettle is designed to heat the water to boiling, so I'm not going to stop it short because it might increase the life of the heating element. There's no point buying a high end card which is going to get hot under load and not using it to its potential because it gets hot. Might as well buy a low end card, but then you're going to refuse to use that to the manufacturer's specifications because it gets hot. Manufacturers would not sell devices that fail consistently under normal use.[/QUOTE] It's not "designed" to run at a specific temp. It's going to be able to run a certain amount of time on average within a certain range of temperatures, but what I'm trying to say is that while it won't fail consistently under normal use, it's within a reasonable realm of possibility. When my computer regularly has to run in a room that can reach 90-100F in the summer I'd rather crank up the fan speeds and deal with the noise than keep it quiet and run the possibility of having it die early. Hardware needs to last more than 5 years for me. This is also incredibly off topic and the moral of the story is smartphones usually shouldn't be hot to the touch in most conditions assuming it's kept away from direct sunlight. Not to mention that heat will also reduce battery life. [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=garrynohome;31497029]I said it back on page 46 you dumbass.[/QUOTE] Your original post didn't have the addendum, and I didn't refresh to see it. I thought you put me on the ignore list? [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=VistaPOWA;31497073]70 °C? That's a pretty normal temperature for a videocard. 100-110 °C is when things go bad.[/QUOTE] 70C being reported to the computer usually is actually a lot hotter in some areas like VRMs and the bumps between the GPU and the PCB. In some Nvidia GPUs that had a bad batch of bump materials the GPU heat cycles caused the GPU to separate from the PCB, which lead to class-action lawsuits and huge numbers of defective laptops after 6 months. [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Satane;31497052]which browser do you guys use? ive been using HTC's stock browser and now im using google's stock browser.[/QUOTE] I personally run Miren, HTC's browser seems to just be a modded version of Google's, going to about:debug will let you change a lot of the functional differences that differentiate HTC and Google's browser.

[QUOTE=Satane;31497052]which browser do you guys use? ive been using HTC's stock browser and now im using google's stock browser.[/QUOTE] I'm also wondering this, I've been a die-hard Opera Mobile user until they updated it to where it force closes about 5 times a day for no reason.

Shit, I still dunno if I should return my SGS2 because of the circle screen defect... I'm just scared I'll end up getting ones with the yellow tinting on the left side of the screen... apparently they all have some sort of tinting issue on the left side of the screen at varying degrees. Mine has a dark tint instead but it's barely noticeable. I'd rather have the circle + dark tint over the yellow tint tho.... Shit I dunno... to the SGS2ers, hows your screen? XDA has a 180+ page thread on the issue

[QUOTE=theNoss;31497421]Shit, I still dunno if I should return my SGS2 because of the circle screen defect... I'm just scared I'll end up getting ones with the yellow tinting on the left side of the screen... from what I've read, they all have some sort of tinting issue on the left side of the screen at varying degrees. Mine has a dark tint instead but it's barely noticeable. I'd rather have the circle + dark tint over the yellow tint tho.... Shit I dunno... to the SGS2ers, hows your screen? XDA has a 180+ page thread on the issue[/QUOTE] Mine looks perfect aside from the banding, which is barely noticeable. I would say keep returning it until you get a good one.

My SGSII screen is perfect, there's no banding or anything.

Mine's fine from what I can see on the North American version.