May not have been fond of some of his ways but god damn he really did help the advancement of a lot of things and really did set the bar with his products.
[QUOTE=henrietta;32650245]Sigh, no matter how expensive their products were they still didn't made enough to cure his cancer. :v:
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a ban for that? really?
R.I.P. Steve. Apple sure isn't going to be the same without you.
[QUOTE=Quark:;32648291]Although it's sad to see such an important person go, I can't say I have respect for Steve Jobs. He may have been a hell of a salesmen, but he did a lot of dirty work.[/QUOTE]
Everyone does dirty work, that's how business works in order to keep your brand alive. Apple's business had a lot more publicity on it because of how big it is.
I'm not a fan of Apple products at all, I don't own any, but I can't deny that his contribution to technology was enormous, because him as businessman aside, he was a great innovator.
It's sad to see him go at a relatively early age because of cancer.
It shall be a generation before we see someone with the same guts again.
[QUOTE=Quark:;32648291]Although it's sad to see such an important person go, I can't say I have respect for Steve Jobs. He may have been a hell of a salesmen, but he did a lot of dirty work.[/QUOTE]
He fired half of his staff way back after he got the CEO function in Apple again, to get shit done. I wouldn't call that dirty, just extremely necessary and wise.
While we may not agree on some things that Apple does - Apple during the time with Steve has changed the world for the better. Mac, iPod, iPhone, iPad: All those devices revolutionized the world. Of course, it wasn't just Steve, but I know, he played an important role in all this.
Ehh... Steve never really was a technology person like the Woz, Linus Torvalds, Edsger Dijkstra and others like Joel Spolsky.
I've always seen him as a business and marketing person (which he is). Sucks that he died, but I wouldn't say he single handedly revolutionized technology. I think it's fair to say that most of the ideas coming out of Apple weren't originally Steve's ideas.
[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;32649779]He didn't innovate much, he created a much needed competition so other companys could advance, such as the iPad didn't invent tablets, but after it came out we got lots of other tablets, same with the iPhone and touchscreen phones, they existed before, but now they are the standard.
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He did innovate, he took an existing product and made it better.
[QUOTE=ItsMozy;32655538]He did innovate, he took an existing product and made it better.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're using a incredibly biased picture, and I seriosuly don't get why you say "he" all the time, like he did everything on his own.
[QUOTE=ArctixFawx;32646931]R.I.P bro.
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Why the fuck is that video under comedy.
Rick132500 is mean.
Maybe he died of heart attack after he saw the "great" innovation in the iPhone 4S.
On a serious note, I am not a big fan of Apple products, but it is still very sad that he died.
I'm sorry that he died, but i'm really tried of the idiots who keep saying he innovated the world, he revolutionized the world, he changed everything, and overly exaggerate what he did. Jesus christ.
my teacher said that he made the mouse and mp3s
thats pretty important stuff
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Anyone has a larger version for desktop use?
He popularized and made the mouse a mainstream device in computing, same thing for graphical user interfaces. So yes, whether you like it or not, your life is influenced by him and will continue to be so.
No, obviously he didn't "invent" either, but bringing them to market and succeeding is hard work. Look at how many great ideas throughout history have gone ignored or failed simply because of bad presentation. Marketing matters, and Jobs was a genius at that.
He also established the idea that design is as important as functionality. Something that many Linux devs still don't quite get. And I say this as a longtime Linux + GNOME user (tho I do dualboot). Look at open source projects like GIMP, and any of the Blender versions before 2.5. Horrendously ugly and confusing GUIs. Now Blender has become more popular than ever after the 2.5 GUI makeover. The devs finally "got it." Design [i]is[/i] important.
[QUOTE=cloudbuster;32677810]He popularized and made the mouse a mainstream device in computing, same thing for graphical user interfaces. So yes, whether you like it or not, your life is influenced by him and will continue to be so.
No, obviously he didn't "invent" either, but bringing them to market and succeeding is hard work. Look at how many great ideas throughout history have gone ignored or failed simply because of bad presentation. Marketing matters, and Jobs was a genius at that.
He also established the idea that design is as important as functionality. Something that many Linux devs still don't quite get. And I say this as a longtime Linux + GNOME user (tho I do dualboot). Look at open source projects like GIMP, and any of the Blender versions before 2.5. Horrendously ugly and confusing GUIs. Now Blender has become more popular than ever after the 2.5 GUI makeover. The devs finally "got it." Design [i]is[/i] important.[/QUOTE]
well if by design you mean horrid desktop/laptop OS and severely outdated mobile OS, yes, design is important.
Macs need a real change to become innovative again, as time goes on, the distance between Windows/Android and Mac/IOS is growing larger and larger.
But to say Jobs didn't have a big hand in the development in it all is a severe case of misinformation and I'm sad to see him go.
Wow guys, he's dead, can you just drop the 'PC Master race' for a couple minutes?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;32677903]well if by design you mean horrid desktop/laptop OS and severely outdated mobile OS, yes, design is important.
Macs need a real change to become innovative again, as time goes on, the distance between Windows/Android and Mac/IOS is growing larger and larger.
But to say Jobs didn't have a big hand in the development in it all is a severe case of misinformation and I'm sad to see him go.[/QUOTE]
I agree about the gap thing, Windows continues to change but nothing really evolves it all still runs the same old stuff and has the worst UI ever. A delightful combination of ribbon UI, aero, metro, and classic, each having a different part in the OS, a great design to truly confuse people and make your design team look like a bunch of 7th graders let loose. Legacy support (which is impressive I must say) that holds back further development, coupled with the best and and nicest system ever invented: The Registry, and you've got the key to success.
Then again, you can change the border colors and transparency!
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;32678702]Wow guys, he's dead, can you just drop the 'PC Master race' for a couple minutes?[/QUOTE]
I don't see any "PC master race" in here at all, you're saying he innovated a lot (which is quite right, I suppose), and he says that Apple needs to start innovate again because it's beginning to lack behind (which is quite right in my opinion, but that's not really important). Some of you guys in this section are way too sensitive.
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[QUOTE=BlackDeath292;32679220]I agree about the gap thing, Windows continues to change but nothing really evolves it all still runs the same old stuff and has the worst UI ever. A delightful combination of ribbon UI, aero, metro, and classic, each having a different part in the OS, a great design to truly confuse people and make your design team look like a bunch of 7th graders let loose. Legacy support (which is impressive I must say) that holds back further development, coupled with the best and and nicest system ever invented: The Registry, and you've got the key to success.
Then again, you can change the border colors and transparency![/QUOTE]
And look at this guy, he's just trolling along just fine. So can we say we're even now?
I, like many so far, would like to add my condolences.
Steve Jobs was indeed a great innovator, but in my opinion too competetive. The "PC Master race" comment sort of shows the failure of Jobs, and I suppose equally of Bill Gates. They both developed arguably some of the most important technology of the last 20-30 years, but have failed in a lot of ways to collaborate and accomodate each others' technology; I think mostly out of competition. I use Windows on my desktop and laptop, but have an iPod, and have had several iPods. Why? They're good products - in spite of the fact that iTunes can lick my taint. There are some Mac programs (Like GarageBand) That I'll never use, partly because I don't feel like torrenting them, but will be envious of Mac users who do have access to them. But it's not just me who won't use them - it's most Windows users that will never use them either.
Also point of odour: Macs are PCs too. Everyone get this through your skulls please.
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rip in piece, steve
Steve Jobs was an innovator and a visionary.
I for one, strongly dislike Apple. It's not a company I see as particularly amazing, nor honest.
However, Steve Jobs really did some amazing things. Some of us don't understand what he was doing, say, 10 or 20 years ago.
Those colourful big desktop macs? No fans, because Steve Jobs wanted a quiet PC that worked. The Cathode Ray Tubes in the CRT screens needed heat to work, so he made a design that used conduction to heat up the CRT and cool the CPU. That's pretty smart.
He came up with a lot of ideas and unfortunately, was held back by sleazy corporate money-grubbers. After founding Apple, he was forced out by the Board of Directors and founded a new company called NeXT. It was later bought out and when Apple started sinking, Steve Jobs took up the CEO mantle and asaved the company.
While I'm dissappointed by the cult Apple has created, the elitist attitudes of the Mac fans, and the horrible pricing on some of their products (Especially considering some of the out-dated hardware in their lower-end Macbooks and iMacs), Steve Jobs certainly was an innovator and a visionary.
iTunes is an amazing phenomenon, same with the iPhone and the iPod. MP3 Players had been around, but Steve Job jump-started the business, and iPods are still the dominant MP3 player.
Steve Jobs also jump-started the smart phone market. Blackberry's were popular for business-men but we never really had significantly advanced phones. The original iPhone was like magic. Steve Jobs came up with great ideas, and he exceeded every goal he set for himself.
We'll never know what he had in mind next, but hopefully someone can continue the great vision he created.
The man that started the 21st century. RIP homie.
I woke up that morning. Took a shit. Looked at apple.com. Spit my coffee all over my toshiba. Then got a mac. R.I.P. Steve Jobs. Best ever.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;32680730]I don't see any "PC master race" in here at all, you're saying he innovated a lot (which is quite right, I suppose), and he says that Apple needs to start innovate again because it's beginning to lack behind (which is quite right in my opinion, but that's not really important). Some of you guys in this section are way too sensitive.
[editline]8th October 2011[/editline]
And look at this guy, he's just trolling along just fine. So can we say we're even now?[/QUOTE]
The difference is it's generally is recognised that OS X is lauded for it's ease of use (in comparison to Windows), and iOS features absolute state of the art computer science. To say that it is outdated is laughable. And as for the second guy, it absolutely is true that Windows has always had a mismatch of UI styles and design. It's backwards compatibility is impressive, but their intense desire to appease big business by making sure things work does hold them back. The registry is a bit of a cryptic mess. I actually don't mind how it is all consolidated all in the one place instead of thousands of .stuff folders with textfiles, it's just how cryptic the keys and values used in it are.
I'd like to add something to the Android/iOS conversation
I will never buy an Android device as long as Apple keeps producing good iPhones because of how they implement things.
Sometimes open source isn't always the best solution. :downs:
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But yeah, Steve will be missed.
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;32695840]The difference is it's generally is recognised that OS X is lauded for it's ease of use (in comparison to Windows), and iOS features absolute state of the art computer science. To say that it is outdated is laughable. And as for the second guy, it absolutely is true that Windows has always had a mismatch of UI styles and design. It's backwards compatibility is impressive, but their intense desire to appease big business by making sure things work does hold them back. The registry is a bit of a cryptic mess. I actually don't mind how it is all consolidated all in the one place instead of thousands of .stuff folders with textfiles, it's just how cryptic the keys and values used in it are.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, no matter if Windows has UI mismatch or not, but this guy was not simply pointing something out. And if he did, he did it in a manner much like the one you use when you want to stir shit up.
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[QUOTE=Known Havok;32697732]I'd like to add something to the Android/iOS conversation
I will never buy an Android device as long as Apple keeps producing good iPhones because of how they implement things.
Sometimes open source isn't always the best solution. :downs:
[editline]9th October 2011[/editline]
But yeah, Steve will be missed.[/QUOTE]
Cool, that statement adds nothing to the discussion at all. That's the same as "I will continue to not to buy x product made by Apple, as long as there's better alternatives" - equally useless, and written in a biased manner.
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