[QUOTE=a2h;20170242]So?
I don't care unless there is a very, very noticeable difference for standard browsing, and for me, any such change would be from internet speed; from being at 512/128kbps to 64/64kbps when over my limit[/QUOTE]
Opera Turbo is great for slow connections. I use it for when my internet is slowed by Telstra. :eng101:
Chrome is actually still the fastest.
[img]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4986/captureoj.png[/img]
[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;20170330]Chrome is actually still the fastest.
[img]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4986/captureoj.png[/img][/QUOTE]
You should test the browsers yourself
I [i]really[/i] like how Opera gives you an all-in-one internet program; practically everything you would need for being on the internet. I don't hate it but I can't get past a lot of the interface problems and not-that-great adblocking solution so I'll just stick with Chrome.
The Interface is still a little broken because it's still a beta. The fully working one will be very nice, I assure you.
Firefox 3.6 is WAY faster for me, pages load instantly but in opera it tales like 2-4 seconds.
[QUOTE=Muscar;20170525]Firefox 3.6 is WAY faster for me, pages load instantly but in opera it tales like 2-4 seconds.[/QUOTE]
Not for me (and a lot of people). I'm guessing it's because of your Firefox cache.
You can adjust the size of the cache and where it is.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;20170540]Not for me (and a lot of people). I'm guessing it's because of your Firefox cache.[/QUOTE]
I installed clean versions of both firefox and opera.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;20170351]You should test the browsers yourself[/QUOTE]K.
Google Chrome still wins.
[IMG]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/838/61332335.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/244/445v.png[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;20170694]K.
Google Chrome still wins.[/QUOTE]
Just barely in your tests. It changes slightly with hardware. Look at mine:
[img]http://www.cubeupload.com/files/8bf800capture.png[/img]
Also, from the old thread:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2668640/Holeyshite.PNG[/img]
With most people it's the fastest. Keep in mind that it's also still in beta.
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[QUOTE=Muscar;20170687]I installed clean versions of both firefox and opera.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure you cleaned all the user data?
Firefox is much, much slower for me.
I will still remain loyal to Chrome as Opera can be abit too busy for me, i enjoy simplicity
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;20170101]That's not my logic, that's you not understanding.[/QUOTE]
No, no, it's you not understanding that I (and him) truly couldn't give half a crap about how "insecure" addons are. It's just as insecure as using *any* software that communicates with the web in some way, including the dozens of plugins that were installed in my Firefox as part of other software packages (Adobe PDF plugin, Flash, JRE, etc.)
It's not like the IRC client in Opera is immune from exploits because it's not a plugin. It's still communicating over IRC, and can still have buffer overflows and other nasty stuff like every other program out there.
[QUOTE=gparent;20171953]No, no, it's you not understanding that I (and him) truly couldn't give half a crap about how "insecure" addons are. It's just as insecure as using *any* software that communicates with the web in some way, including the dozens of plugins that were installed in my Firefox as part of other software packages (Adobe PDF plugin, Flash, JRE, etc.)
It's not like the IRC client in Opera is immune from exploits because it's not a plugin. It's still communicating over IRC, and can still have buffer overflows and other nasty stuff like every other program out there.[/QUOTE]
You missed the point about them also slowing down the browser and introducing more bugs and crashes.
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172000]You missed the point about them also slowing down the browser and introducing more bugs and crashes.[/QUOTE]
No, I didn't, I even touched it in my post where I mention that it doesn't matter if it's in the browser or outside the browser, it still suffers from the same problems. The argument about exploits applies to bugs, crashes, and general performance too. You shouldn't rate people dumb if you can't read a post and infer the logical argument from it.
[quote]It's not like the IRC client in Opera is immune from exploits [b]because it's not a plugin.[/b][/quote]
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;20170101]That's not my logic, that's you not understanding. Read:
[url]http://www.opera.com/press/faq/#tech14[/url]
[url]http://home.comcast.net/~SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I understand perfectly. You want a browser where every aspect is overseen by the developers. If that works for you, fine. I want a browser that the community actively takes part in developing so I can fine tune every feature I want.
[QUOTE=gparent;20172155]No, I didn't, I even touched it in my post where I mention that it doesn't matter if it's in the browser or outside the browser, it still suffers from the same problems. The argument about exploits applies to bugs, crashes, and general performance too. You shouldn't rate people dumb if you can't read a post and infer the logical argument from it.[/QUOTE]
It does matter. Opera has control over these features and they have them tightly integrated into a lightweight suite. If there's a bug or exploit or whatever then Opera can quickly push out a new release to fix it.
Extensions aren't controlled by Firefox. They're made by other independent developers and they're simply built up upon the browser. Since they're not tightly integrated into the browser (the browser itself isn't specifically built to have these features) the performance of the browser is impacted. Also, because they're not controlled by Firefox, the Firefox devs cannot simply push out a browser update to fix the bugs and security issues, thus leaving the browser itself insecure/buggy until the extension devs push out a fix.
Surely you would have read the recent news of Firefox's vulnerabilities. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=890565[/url]
Opera, on the other hand, have always had a great track record, and have been a leader in browser security for many years now. Why do you think that is?
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172297]It does matter. Opera has control over these features and they have them tightly integrated into a lightweight suite. If there's a bug or exploit or whatever then Opera can quickly push out a new release to fix it.[/QUOTE]
And if there's a bug in an addon, the user can [b]immediately[/b] disable the addon until it is fixed. That is much faster than what *both* Mozilla and whoever makes Opera can offer. And once Mozilla implements proper sandboxing for addons and plugins, it will actually be [i]more[/i] secure than integrating it directly in the browser.
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172297]Extensions aren't controlled by Firefox. They're made by other independent developers and they're simply built up upon the browser. Since they're not tightly integrated into the browser (the browser itself isn't specifically built to have these features) the performance of the browser is impacted.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but in many cases this is irrelevant. The same features being directly built in the browser would still have a performance impact, just a lesser one, and I don't think addon users are expecting their browser to get faster when installing addons. So, who cares?
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172297]Opera, on the other hand, have always had a great track record, and have been a leader in browser security for many years now. Why do you think that is?[/QUOTE]
Firefox's track records for security advisories do not take into account addons being exploited. So while the browser may be more secure, that cannot be attributed to addons. But IMHO, I think it has more to do with the fact that Opera is completely irrelevant on the desktop browser market compared to Firefox.
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172297]It does matter. Opera has control over these features and they have them tightly integrated into a lightweight suite. If there's a bug or exploit or whatever then Opera can quickly push out a new release to fix it.
Extensions aren't controlled by Firefox. They're made by other independent developers and they're simply built up upon the browser. Since they're not tightly integrated into the browser (the browser itself isn't specifically built to have these features) the performance of the browser is impacted. Also, because they're not controlled by Firefox, the Firefox devs cannot simply push out a browser update to fix the bugs and security issues, thus leaving the browser itself insecure/buggy until the extension devs push out a fix.
Surely you would have read the recent news of Firefox's vulnerabilities. [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=890565[/URL]
Opera, on the other hand, have always had a great track record, and have been a leader in browser security for many years now. Why do you think that is?[/QUOTE]
The reason for that is that most people use firefox, the less people that use it the less people are gonna report vulnerabilities, bugs and stuff like that.
Anyone else having trouble logging into the [url=http://portal.opera.com/]Opera Portal beta[/url]?
[quote]And if there's a bug in an addon, the user can [b]immediately[/b] disable the addon until it is fixed. That is much faster than what *both* Mozilla and whoever makes Opera can offer. And once Mozilla implements proper sandboxing for addons and plugins, it will actually be [i]more[/i] secure than integrating it directly in the browser.[/quote]
For a bug, yes; the user would be able to tell that the extension is buggy and thus they would disable it. But how are they going to know about a security vulnerability? The average user wouldn't have a clue if one of their extensions had security flaws, especially right after one of these flaws is found out.
[quote]Yes, but in many cases this is irrelevant. The same features being directly built in the browser would still have a performance impact, just a lesser one, and I don't think addon users are expecting their browser to get faster when installing addons. So, who cares?[/quote]
I'm sure a lot of people don't care, but it's still a fact.
[quote]Firefox's track records for security advisories do not take into account addons being exploited. So while the browser may be more secure, that cannot be attributed to addons. But IMHO, I think it has more to do with the fact that Opera is completely irrelevant on the desktop browser market compared to Firefox.[/quote]
That depends on the source. Yes, the source I posted doesn't take into account extensions, so I was swaying a bit off topic by posting that, but it still brings up another issue. I have, however, seen many sources that highlight the vulnerabilities of extensions. Heck, just recently a couple extensions on the addons site were found to contain malware.
Opera's market share is completely irrelevant. If that were the case, then why was IE more secure in that report?
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[QUOTE=Muscar;20172362]The reason for that is that most people use firefox, the less people that use it the less people are gonna report vulnerabilities, bugs and stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
That's completely and utterly false.
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[QUOTE=Ibutsu;20172389]Anyone else having trouble logging into the [url=http://portal.opera.com/]Opera Portal beta[/url]?[/QUOTE]
Works fine for me.
Would you all just shut the fuck up and get back on the fucking topic.
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172473]For a bug, yes; the user would be able to tell that the extension is buggy and thus they would disable it. But how are they going to know about a security vulnerability? The average user wouldn't have a clue if one of their extensions had security flaws, especially right after one of these flaws is found out.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but your argument kinda sucks. How is the user supposed to know about a security issue in Opera? You're probably going to reply "Well, it'll get auto-updated", and well, addons got auto-update systems too. Irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172473]I'm sure a lot of people don't care, but it's still a fact.[/QUOTE]
Right, and the sky is blue, my car is silver, and my dad is a male. Obvious but irrelevant facts.
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172473]Heck, just recently a couple extensions on the addons site were found to contain malware.[/QUOTE]
No different than unauthorized websites distributing builds of Opera containing malware. Mozilla has gone great lengths to reduce the surface of attack, especially in 3.5/3.6 IIRC. Also, it's harder to screen for malware when people actually use your browser. There are thousands of addons to check.
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172473]Opera's market share is completely irrelevant. If that were the case, then why was IE more secure in that report?[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm fairly certain IE is being exploited more in the wild (And I've seen a lot more news about serious security vulnerabilities for IE than for Firefox), but IE does implement some security features that Firefox does not, such as running parts of the browser as an unprivileged process, which has recently made an attack ineffective.
Why does [b]every[/b] browser related thread turn into a browser war?
I'm still using Chrome myself [b]because I like it[/b]. I suggest everyone just uses their own preferenced browser. This new release of Opera is [b]awesome[/b].
I still won't use it though, since I don't prefer Opera.
[QUOTE=Tu154M;20172489]Would you all just shut the fuck up and get back on the fucking topic.[/QUOTE]
No, this is getting interesting.
:munch:
[QUOTE=gparent;20172732]Sorry but your argument kinda sucks. How is the user supposed to know about a security issue in Opera? You're probably going to reply "Well, it'll get auto-updated", and well, addons got auto-update systems too. Irrelevant..[/QUOTE]
That's not the point. Opera can push out a release and it would fix all the known problems then and there. For Firefox, the extensions have different developers, so it could take a long time for all your extensions to be updated to fix these issues. A user could be using an insecure extension for weeks before that developer decides to update it.
[QUOTE=Marlamin;20172773]Why does [b]every[/b] browser related thread turn into a browser war?
I'm still using Chrome myself [b]because I like it[/b]. I suggest everyone just uses their own preferenced browser. This new release of Opera is [b]awesome[/b].
I still won't use it though, since I don't prefer Opera.[/QUOTE]
I guess because most people are offended by other people's personal tastes... This all stemmed from an Opera-related opinion.
[QUOTE=Zak1392;20172799]That's not the point. Opera can push out a release and it would fix all the known problems then and there..[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty moot point. You're basically saying that addons that aren't actively developed aren't going to have a proper security response to any given threat. That's a pretty "Duh!" statement there.
[QUOTE=Marlamin;20172773]Why does [b]every[/b] browser related thread turn into a browser war?[/QUOTE]
It's not a browser war. The same argument applies to every browser that implements an addon model. My argument is that addons aren't inherently more insecure than built-in code, for the reasons outlined in the posts above.
This is a thread about Opera.
Hence we should be talking about Opera.
Not arguing about browsers that are not Opera.
Every modern browser is good, except for IE. Let people use what they want, and don't argue about silly things. :smile:
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