Intel plans to deliberately limit Sandy Bridge overclocking - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=gparent;23649667]Obviously. Go ahead and run those VMs on a low CPU server. We tried it, it didn't work. Maybe you're not working on serious workloads, but here we actually try to get our servers to do things, and we got huge improvements from a CPU upgrade. Memory isn't even close to being fully utilized after studying the minimum requirements for our workload. Do you only run Windows servers? "Disk I/O isn't an issue once you have sufficient disk I/O resources available". Thanks for the agree?[/QUOTE] First up, cool, it's good to have a discussion with someone who works in enterprise IT. At some point I'll have to put together a virtulisation thread so we can discuss it more there. Second, I didn't say a slow cpu. I guess I should clarify the purpose of our virtualisation drive, we're doing it to consolidate and as a side benefit, increase availability. So when I said the cpu wasn't as important, I stand by that, across the 400 or so vms in our uk data center, cpu utlisation isn't an issue, memory is. Possibly because we've selected servers which are typically low on cpu usuage (print servers, web cache servers, test and dev environments etc). Due to the low cpu usage, these tend to stack very well on a box, but they just need more memory. Everything else is on dedicated hardware because they need more cpu muscle (sql server, oracle, sap, documentum, filenet, exchange etc) or because they're physically clustered and/or need extreme availability (ad, critical web apps, cryptographic servers, etc). I'm going to assume you're looking for something else from your virtualisation as it's definitely not best practice to put high cpu load vms on a host if consolidation is your goal, are you going for high availability only? And yeah, that's definitely an agree on disk i/o.

I'm alright with this Interesting tactic to get people to buy the more expensive cpus, I can't help but admire it. Yes i'm on an AMD, this post just became far less acceptable.

Including "enthusiast" is a bit of a misnomer as well as an assumption. What kind of enthusiast? Most professional modelers and or people crunching on render farms aren't going to bat an eye and are very likely to keep on purchasing Intel for rather obvious reasons. [quote]Yet who has money for something like the i7 980x? [/quote] Apparently quite a few people as they've sold out every batch they've made so far. Even with their hyper aggressive strategy and awesome pricing, AMD does NOT have in any way shape or form the logistics to keep up. They're already about a year and a half behind Intel in terms of development and they don't seem to be bridging the gap, even with Dozer and Fusion. TSMC barfing all over their yields and GlobalFoundry's slow ass starting isn't doing them any good either. Intel may lose a chunk of people who seem to need to buy a cheap proc and turn it into a heating element, but it's pretty safe to say that's a very small chunk of the market. The last time AMD kicked the shit out of Intel across the board was the FX days. It's going to be a difficult climb to get back to that kind of dominance. If every single member of the forum bought AMD for the next generation, it would mean jack for the bottom line of either company. Additionally, there's nothing from preventing Intel from altering the scheduling scheme on "enthusiast/enterprise" models at a later date. Forest for the Trees.

AMD ftw

I'm guessing the price gap won't be too large. Probably $20-$30 tops. The locked down CPU is probably intended for prebuilts anyways. Doesn't this already occur with locked cores and such?

[QUOTE=Noz;23684944]I'm guessing the price gap won't be too large. Probably $20-$30 tops. The locked down CPU is probably intended for prebuilts anyways. Doesn't this already occur with locked cores and such?[/QUOTE] Its easy to just do a pin mod for prebuilts. You can take an E5300 from 800fsb to 1066fsb with a bit on conductive paint. There are other pins you do for the voltage, i learned about it [url=http://vr-zone.com/articles/pin-mod-lga-cpus-for-voltage-boost/3931.html]here[/url] [img]http://www.overclock.net/attachments/intel-cpus/74829-trying-overclock-core-2-duo-e4300-1333mod.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=4RT1LL3RY;23689715]Its easy to just do a pin mod for prebuilts. You can take an E5300 from 800fsb to 1066fsb with a bit on conductive paint. There are other pins you do for the voltage, i learned about it [url=http://vr-zone.com/articles/pin-mod-lga-cpus-for-voltage-boost/3931.html]here[/url] [img]http://www.overclock.net/attachments/intel-cpus/74829-trying-overclock-core-2-duo-e4300-1333mod.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I'm guessing people who buy prebuilts aren't exactly going to mod the pins of their CPU.

[QUOTE=Noz;23690170]I'm guessing people who buy prebuilts aren't exactly going to mod the pins of their CPU.[/QUOTE] Maybe they got the computer for really cheap (ie craigslist) and worked from there

I don't care, I stick with what I have and if there's something in my budget, I look at the 2 CPU's for price/performance.

[QUOTE=Noz;23684944]I'm guessing the price gap won't be too large. Probably $20-$30 tops. The locked down CPU is probably intended for prebuilts anyways. Doesn't this already occur with locked cores and such?[/QUOTE] Yup, on a regular basis, but usually other lanes are free to fuck around with more or less. Apparently not this time.