The Motorola Droid on Verizon - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=ShaRose;18106308]Cool, so you admit that apple is trying to stop it, is cracking down, making it harder to do, and is actively killing off warranties when jailbroken phones are detected! Thanks for making yourself look like a real tool by proving why people don't want to jailbreak the phones. Way to go.[/QUOTE] Ugh, the sheer stupidity. Let's state some facts. Jailbreaking voids your warranty. Restoring with iTunes restores your warranty. Even though Apple makes it harder for the guys behind the JB scene to figure out methods, those guys get more clever. It's easier than ever to JB today. You have to run a small file that takes literally 10 seconds to finish and you're done. Everyone wants to jailbreak, the very stupid ones don't know how to.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18106414]Jailbreaking voids your warranty. Restoring with iTunes restores your warranty.[/QUOTE] Not really, restoring with iTunes will make it seem like your warranty still was intact. And many people are afraid of jailbreaking and there are even a few app developers who refuse to let their apps run on jailbroken devices (that can be detected) because of the simple potential to pirate their apps with them.

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;18112357]Not really, restoring with iTunes will make it seem like your warranty still was intact. And many people are afraid of jailbreaking and there are even a few app developers who refuse to let their apps run on jailbroken devices (that can be detected) because of the simple potential to pirate their apps with them.[/QUOTE] No, you got your facts all wrong. Restoring with iTunes removes all traces of jailbreak. Even Apple wouldn't be able to detect any leftovers, because there wouldn't be any. People are afraid of jailbreaking because they think it might brick or break their phones, even though the iPhone is pretty much unbrickable. No App developers do that. Some may have some sort of detection that sees if the app itself is pirated, but it won't just deny running because the user has a jailbroken device.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18112674]Restoring with iTunes removes all traces of jailbreak. Even Apple wouldn't be able to detect any leftovers, because there wouldn't be any.[/quote] That's not what I was saying. I was saying that that doesn't legally restore your warranty. [quote]People are afraid of jailbreaking because they think it might brick or break their phones, even though the iPhone is pretty much unbrickable.[/quote] People are afraid of jailbreaking because of that but also because they think it's illegal or at least illicit. Anyway, the iPhone simply doesn't have those features. You wouldn't say a car had a built-in minibar just because those Pimp my Ride guys did that once (no, I don't watch that show, so I have no idea whether they did, but you get my point, don't you?) [quote] No App developers do that. Some may have some sort of detection that sees if the app itself is pirated, but it won't just deny running because the user has a jailbroken device.[/QUOTE] Got any proof for that? There's some software which logs if the device is jailbroken already, so I'm sure there's already some apps which refuse to work on a jailbroken device.

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;18113541]That's not what I was saying. I was saying that that doesn't legally restore your warranty.[/quote] It does, and Apple will fix your iPhone if it gets fucked up with the warranty. [quote]People are afraid of jailbreaking because of that but also because they think it's illegal or at least illicit. Anyway, the iPhone simply doesn't have those features.[/quote] Yes, it does. If a user doesn't jailbreak, it's pretty much their choice that they don't want the extra features. [quote]Got any proof for that? There's some software which logs if the device is jailbroken already, so I'm sure there's already some apps which refuse to work on a jailbroken device.[/QUOTE] No, there's nothing like that. I obviously can't prove it because there [i]are[/i] no apps that do that. Personally, the only apps that ever gave a shit simply told me that they detected that the copy of the application wasn't officially obtained, but it continued to function normally. [editline]05:23PM[/editline] Also, the guys behind JB managed to defeat Apple, the greatest nazi of all. I don't think they'd have any trouble with some shitty algorithm that detects whether a device is JB'd or not.

j00g0t0wnd, the advertisement campaign is aimed at normal people. Some 17-year old girl with parents with too much money has absolutely no fucking clue on how to jailbreak an iPhone, even with instructions she'd probably fuck it up.

To jailbreak as of now, all you need to do is run one exe. That's it. You don't even need instructions for that. If you can't jailbreak, then odds are you're too stupid to use all of the features you think are missing.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18113695]No, there's nothing like that. I obviously can't prove it because there [i]are[/i] no apps that do that.[/QUOTE] Plug iphone into itunes. itunes compares the os on the phone to a jailbroken one. If it matches, no warranty for you, or it simply bricks the damn phone as you broke the tos.

[QUOTE=ShaRose;18115049]Plug iphone into itunes. itunes compares the os on the phone to a jailbroken one. If it matches, no warranty for you, or it simply bricks the damn phone as you broke the tos.[/QUOTE] I'm just going to ignore that massive brain fart.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18115078]I'm just going to ignore that massive brain fart.[/QUOTE] Basically, this. Apple can detect it. Apple can log the device ID. Apple can also brick the phones. Apple is quite ok with fucking customers over.

[QUOTE=ShaRose;18115294]Basically, this. Apple can detect it. Apple can log the device ID. Apple can also brick the phones. Apple is quite ok with fucking customers over.[/QUOTE] They couldn't and wouldn't go that far. To check an iPhone with so much depth, it would take like five minutes every time you connected it to the computer. No thanks. And it's illegal for them to 'brick' our devices. We paid for them. The most they could ever do is disable your iTunes account or whatever. Not to mention, jailbreaking isn't even illegal anyway.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18115448]To check an iPhone with so much depth, it would take like five minutes every time you connected it to the computer. No thanks.[/QUOTE] To check with so much depth? What? You just need to check a few small files. More like 20 seconds at most. [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18115448]And it's illegal for them to 'brick' our devices. We paid for them. The most they could ever do is disable your iTunes account or whatever.[/QUOTE] Apple can release an update, that when applied to a jailbroken phone will corrupt the phone and brick it. seems they did that one before too. [url]http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/59718.html[/url] Also note, that att does actually subsidize prices. two year contract price for the 3gs 16gb is 299. Retail price is 599. So that lawsuit is void. [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18115448]Not to mention, jailbreaking isn't even illegal anyway.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.prlog.org/10163607-is-it-legal-to-jailbreak-your-iphone.html[/url] 'Is it legal to Jailbreak your iPhone?' 'The short answer is no.' [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18115448]They wouldn't go that far.[/QUOTE] Pay attention.

[QUOTE=ShaRose;18115804]To check with so much depth? What? You just need to check a few small files. More like 20 seconds at most. Apple can release an update, that when applied to a jailbroken phone will corrupt the phone and brick it. seems they did that one before too. [url]http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/59718.html[/url] Also note, that att does actually subsidize prices. two year contract price for the 3gs 16gb is 299. Retail price is 599. So that lawsuit is void. [url]http://www.prlog.org/10163607-is-it-legal-to-jailbreak-your-iphone.html[/url] 'Is it legal to Jailbreak your iPhone?' 'The short answer is no.' Pay attention.[/QUOTE] They will never do anything like that for one simple reason: if they started being so restrictive, they can kiss the iPhone's popularity goodbye, because without the jailbreak, the iPhone is fucked.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18115878]They will never do anything like that for one simple reason: if they started being so restrictive, they can kiss the iPhone's popularity goodbye, because without the jailbreak, the iPhone is fucked.[/QUOTE] So that's why they've been trying to stop the hacks :iiam:

[QUOTE=ShaRose;18115919]So that's why they've been trying to stop the hacks :iiam:[/QUOTE] No, you don't get it. They're trying to stop people from jailbreaking, but they're not about to go around bricking people's devices. However, from what I'm seeing nowadays, jailbreaking is getting less and less useful as Apple releases more features with each update. Still, when it comes to saying what the iPhone is capable of, this iDon't ad is shit.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18116033]No, you don't get it. They're trying to stop people from jailbreaking, but they're not about to go around bricking people's devices. However, from what I'm seeing nowadays, jailbreaking is getting less and less useful as Apple releases more features with each update. Still, when it comes to saying what the iPhone is capable of, this iDon't ad is shit.[/QUOTE] They don't have the features without jailbreaking. Apple is trying to STOP jailbreaking of the phones. Thus, the iDon't ads are correct and perfectly valid. Also, they are not required to support jailbroken phones. If apple finds out you jailbroke it, they can deny the warranty. They can also release a 'critical' update whenever the hell they want, that can (read: will) brick phones if it's not running the latest unspoiled version of the iphone software. Which of course could (again, read will) fix the current exploits.

[QUOTE=ShaRose;18116151]They don't have the features without jailbreaking. Apple is trying to STOP jailbreaking of the phones. Thus, the iDon't ads are correct and perfectly valid. Also, they are not required to support jailbroken phones. If apple finds out you jailbroke it, they can deny the warranty. They can also release a 'critical' update whenever the hell they want, that can (read: will) brick phones if it's not running the latest unspoiled version of the iphone software. Which of course could (again, read will) fix the current exploits.[/QUOTE] I'm going to state the facts one more time then I'm going to back off because you're just wasting my time with your jealousy. Apple won't release anything like this. If they do (read: they won't) then it doesn't matter because the JB scene will figure it out. The iPhone is capable of all of those things just like your laptop is capable of running Windows 7, regardless of what the manufacturer wants you to do, therefore the iDon't ads are bullshit because you can do all of those things if you want to. Restoring with iTunes removes all traces of jailbreak, so Apple would be fucking clueless.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18116352]I'm going to state the facts one more time then I'm going to back off because you're just wasting my time with your jealousy. Apple won't release anything like this. If they do (read: they won't) then it doesn't matter because the JB scene will figure it out. The iPhone is capable of all of those things just like your laptop is capable of running Windows 7, regardless of what the manufacturer wants you to do, therefore the iDon't ads are bullshit because you can do all of those things if you want to. Restoring with iTunes removes all traces of jailbreak, so Apple would be fucking clueless.[/QUOTE] itunes detects jb phone: does not reset it. :bravo:

Meh, I'd prefer something by HTC.

then get the HTC phone...

So, I went to best buy today, to pre-order the droid. Unfortunately, for the past 4 years I have gotten a 200$ credit towards phones when my contract is up via verizon. Best buy said no, they dont accept that, so I now have to call verizon insure that they still offer the 200$ credit, and I will end up paying 100$ on friday. :frown:

[QUOTE=Factory;18156612]So, I went to best buy today, to pre-order the droid. Unfortunately, for the past 4 years I have gotten a 200$ credit towards phones when my contract is up via verizon. Best buy said no, they dont accept that, so I now have to call verizon insure that they still offer the 200$ credit, and I will end up paying 100$ on friday. :frown:[/QUOTE] Does it particularly cost less if you pre-order it? Or does it just ensure you get one?

So I got to mess with one today. I was in the mall at the verizon stand and I asked the employee about it. He said I wasn't allowed to see or touch it and that's when I got kinda pissed. I was like, it's been demoed all over the internet and there are videos everywhere. Come on! So he did. :smug:

[QUOTE=onox37;18158016]So I got to mess with one today. I was in the mall at the verizon stand and I asked the employee about it. He said I wasn't allowed to see or touch it and that's when I got kinda pissed. I was like, it's been demoed all over the internet and there are videos everywhere. Come on! So he did. :smug:[/QUOTE] This is where you talk about it.

[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18156771]Does it particularly cost less if you pre-order it? Or does it just ensure you get one?[/QUOTE] just ensure

[QUOTE=ShaRose;18158657]This is where you talk about it.[/QUOTE] What do you want to know?

I hope this kills the iphone, as unlikely as it is.

[QUOTE=onox37;18159581]What do you want to know?[/QUOTE] Oh, just give a full review damn it. First impressions, etc.

I don't feel like writing a full review since there are plenty on the internet. Some of the things I noticed: -Moving through menu is fluid but can sometimes slow down just a baby bit. -Facebook widget is cool but doesn't offer much in terms of what you'd normally get. -No twitter love? -Browser is slick as hell. Flicking feels nice and the full zoom out is way better than previous android versions. -It's quite thin actually. Thinner than I expected. -The employee's that I messed with had TONS of programs on it (not sure how it matters) -Pictures look fan fucking tastic on it. Lot's of color. Idk what else to put.

Awesome.