General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=supervoltage;40155326]What do you mean you hate the circlejerk around arch You hurt my religious beliefs On a more serious note, I've no problems with it - maybe try to explore it more. Arch is the first distro I really picked up; I've learnt how to use it in less than 3 days :v:[/QUOTE] I get that Arch is perfectly fine and probably really powerful, but I just think most hardcore linux FPers are really quick to recomend Arch to people when simply running Ubuntu/Debian/some sexy derivative thereof would be a lot easier for most people, I have tried Arch (for half a day) and it seems more like something you'd go to from Debian/etc as a chance to get to know Linux better and have "a bit of a challenge"

[QUOTE=Crabby;40163297]I get that Arch is perfectly fine and probably really powerful, but I just think most hardcore linux FPers are really quick to recomend Arch to people when simply running Ubuntu/Debian/some sexy derivative thereof would be a lot easier for most people, I have tried Arch (for half a day) and it seems more like something you'd go to from Debian/etc as a chance to get to know Linux better and have "a bit of a challenge"[/QUOTE] It really does depend on what you're looking for, If you just want a sane computing environment then Debian or one of it's many derivatives are a fine choice depending on what qualities you're looking for. Arch Linux is great if you want to use Linux and have complete control over the software, I use it on my laptop because I don't need a lot of the stuff a regular distro brings along with it so I take the faster system, but my desktop runs Mint KDE because it's fast enough that I just don't care (and I don't use it that often anyway).

Arch is a great distro, but I think a lot of people are way too quick to suggest arch. It allows for complete control over your system, but most(?) people don't want that; they just want something that works.

[QUOTE=IpHa;40164506]Arch is a great distro, but I think a lot of people are way too quick to suggest arch. It allows for complete control over your system, but most(?) people don't want that; they just want something that works.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to imply Arch doesn't work? :v: [editline]4th April 2013[/editline] I agree completely with finding the best tool for the job. I use Arch daily on my laptop, but when I got a Raspberry Pi I tried both Raspbian (Debian) and ArchARM (alarmpi) and honestly I found the Debian distro to be a bit faster during normal operation but a few times slower booting up. Considering what I was using it for, boot times weren't really important so I went with Debian and so I use that daily now as well. Point is every distro has its strong suits and its weak points, as a user you should probably take a look at each to make an informed decision.

[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;40164543]Are you trying to imply Arch doesn't work? :v:[/QUOTE] I think he's implying arch doesn't work out-of-the-box. Which is somewhat incorrect seeing as the installer itself is technically a working Arch installation, but the point is, I don't think the majority consider a system with basic command-line utilities installed "functional". For a beginner, getting X up on Arch does take some work. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] Also, is ArchARM even supported anymore? I'm fairly sure Arch Linux ARM isn't, at least, and I dunno if they're separate projects

[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;40164543]Are you trying to imply Arch doesn't work? :v:[editline]4th April 2013[/editline]I agree completely with finding the best tool for the job. I use Arch daily on my laptop, but when I got a Raspberry Pi I tried both Raspbian (Debian) and ArchARM (alarmpi) and honestly I found the Debian distro to be a bit faster during normal operation but a few times slower booting up. Considering what I was using it for, boot times weren't really important so I went with Debian and so I use that daily now as well. Point is every distro has its strong suits and its weak points, as a user you should probably take a look at each to make an informed decision.[/QUOTE] Arch works as well as you make it; for me it's perfect, but some people don't want to mess with config files or installing a desktop environment via the CLI. [editline]4th April 2013[/editline] Arch ARM is a separate project, not supported by the arch devs.

I know the ARM derivative is a separate endeavor, and it is possible that is the reason I experienced a bit of a performance hit, but its the best analog to the real deal you can get on the Pi.

[QUOTE=IpHa;40164618] Arch ARM is a separate project, not supported by the arch devs.[/QUOTE] Yeah; I meant that I was wondering whether there were one or two ARM versions of Arch

[QUOTE=IpHa;40164618]Arch works as well as you make it[/QUOTE] See that's the thing, ordinary people don't want to make software work in the way they need. They want the software to be ready for them, out of the box.

An attempt to set a static IP with Fedora 18 on s 64 bit pc has left me with [URL="http://pastebin.com/s7Tr2z25"]this[/URL]. Google doesn't seem to help, and I appear to be missing network manager... I followed [URL="http://danielgibbs.co.uk/2012/06/fedora-17-set-static-ip-address/"]this[/URL] tutorial Could anyone help me understand this?

A new version of [url=http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/terminology]Terminology[/url] was released. [video=ibPziLRGvkg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPziLRGvkg[/video] Interesting. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] Now if only E17 still didn't have awful themes. The only good theme is the default one and Detourious, yet this "Agust" guy keeps shitting out REALLY AWFUL looking themes by the dozens. Like, XDA level awful. Eugh. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] Aaaaaaaaaand there's still no way to customize terminal colours + it ignores xresources. Seriously? :\

I guess the concept is cool, but it has way too many fancy features

[QUOTE=Lyoko774;40174003]A new version of [URL="http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/terminology"]Terminology[/URL] was released. [video=ibPziLRGvkg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPziLRGvkg[/video] Interesting. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] Now if only E17 still didn't have awful themes. The only good theme is the default one and Detourious, yet this "Agust" guy keeps shitting out REALLY AWFUL looking themes by the dozens. Like, XDA level awful. Eugh. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] Aaaaaaaaaand there's still no way to customize terminal colours + it ignores xresources. Seriously? :\[/QUOTE] TIL Terminology is a window manager.

[QUOTE=Killervalon;40175276]I guess the concept is cool, but it has way too many fancy features[/QUOTE] Its a good idea, but I'd wish the developers would focus on adding features that should have been there to begin with. At least it has tabs and splitting now, but c'mon, no customizable colours without compiling your own .edc? Fucking really guys?

[QUOTE=IpHa;40164506]Arch is a great distro, but I think a lot of people are way too quick to suggest arch. It allows for complete control over your system, but most(?) people don't want that; they just want something that works.[/QUOTE] Eh, I would still recommend Arch for regular users. Installing is hard if you don't understand how Linux works, but I think it's important as a Linux user to understand those things. Plus for most users you can just follow along in the wiki and it will tell you exactly what to do. And if you don't feel like spending a while setting up your environment you can always just install Gnome and you're pretty much set.

[QUOTE=Larikang;40175905]Eh, I would still recommend Arch for regular users. Installing is hard if you don't understand how Linux works, but I think it's important as a Linux user to understand those things. Plus for most users you can just follow along in the wiki and it will tell you exactly what to do. And if you don't feel like spending a while setting up your environment you can always just install Gnome and you're pretty much set.[/QUOTE] I dunno. To me, Arch would be pretty heavy handed if I was a brand spanking new to Linux. I mean seriously, short of knowing what to do based on prior Linux experience, or reading the Wiki (actually, there is no way around that, you would need the Wiki if your just starting Linux), there is literally NOTHING to help you when you boot that LiveCD to install Arch. You're just thrown into the shell and its like uhhhh watdafuqdoidonow. And I mean if the user is a not someone who is huge into configuring things and learning how they work, ie. a "regular" user. Compared to other Linux distros where it boots you into a nice GUI, and has a little scripted application to walk you through the install process with plenty of onscreen information. Sure, learning the ropes on how everything in Linux works is part of the learning process, but hell, the last thing I want to be doing when learning an entirely new OS is faffing around with configuring my network adapters in the command line and hope that I "get it".

so one thing my mother got a new laptop..for god knows why it came with canaima 3.0 is there anyway to install windows on it?

[QUOTE=werewolf0020;40178411]so one thing my mother got a new laptop..for god knows why it came with canaima 3.0 is there anyway to install windows on it?[/QUOTE] Get a Windows install disc and run the installer. You might need to put it on a USB drive if the laptop doesn't have CD drive.

[QUOTE=Demache;40178437]Get a Windows install disc and run the installer. You might need to put it on a USB drive if the laptop doesn't have CD drive.[/QUOTE] i have windows 8 in a DVD, the laptop has a DVD Drive but when i try to boot on it ( aka go to bios, set the boot order to start from the DVD) i restart but i get stuck in the boot screen of the BIOS itself for some reaosn..

Hmm, maybe try resetting the BIOS to its default settings? Maybe the previous owner faffed around with a setting.

And...yet that does nothing still... So far i tried Go to bios, set boot priority to the DVD drive, place window 7 DVD in, restart laptop after bios logo it goes into a blackscreen for some minutes before it resets back to the logo screen endlessly Tried to FORCE boot into the DVD, It loaded the window 7 logo but then it freezed there as soon it loaded it this is getting me insane

[QUOTE=Demache;40178272]I dunno. To me, Arch would be pretty heavy handed if I was a brand spanking new to Linux. I mean seriously, short of knowing what to do based on prior Linux experience, or reading the Wiki (actually, there is no way around that, you would need the Wiki if your just starting Linux), there is literally NOTHING to help you when you boot that LiveCD to install Arch. You're just thrown into the shell and its like uhhhh watdafuqdoidonow. And I mean if the user is a not someone who is huge into configuring things and learning how they work, ie. a "regular" user. Compared to other Linux distros where it boots you into a nice GUI, and has a little scripted application to walk you through the install process with plenty of onscreen information. Sure, learning the ropes on how everything in Linux works is part of the learning process, but hell, the last thing I want to be doing when learning an entirely new OS is faffing around with configuring my network adapters in the command line and hope that I "get it".[/QUOTE] I understand your points. I believe messing around with the commands in the windows command prompt helped me a bit - learning about the cd and dir commands were enough for me to navigate the file system on Linux. So yeah, if you don't have any experience with computers to the level of knowing how to use the command prompt, you're pretty much helpless unless the Arch Linux devs would put a MOTD on the disc with some basic commands and the fact that they're case-sensitive. Or just open up install.txt in the root home folder automatically when the CD finished booting.

Okay so i finally managed to install windows on it but now when i rebooted the laptop it gets stuck into loading and when it loads windows it says INNACESIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE

[QUOTE=werewolf0020;40181684]Okay so i finally managed to install windows on it but now when i rebooted the laptop it gets stuck into loading and when it loads windows it says INNACESIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE[/QUOTE] BIOS drive setting? If its on compatibility, set it to AHCI. What laptop is it?

Anyone else suffer huge cursors when using nvidia drivers? I'm running on lubuntu and whenever I am hovering over anything that isnt a textbox/button/interactive or if I go to the edge of a window to resize the cursor is like 5x the size. Any ideas?

[QUOTE=digigamer17;40181699]BIOS drive setting? If its on compatibility, set it to AHCI. What laptop is it?[/QUOTE] actually nevermind , i tried once again and it properly loaded the windows DVD, took out the whole linux stuff and installed windows succesfully

So how is Debian's multiarch support nowadays?

Today I discovered multitail, it's useful. I wanted to see two different apache logs at once and came across it. [IMG]http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/images/sd/multitail-gnome-terminal.png[/IMG]

Alright, so I have Indecisive Syndrome. I can not decide on what Desktop Environment I should chose for my Arch install. I'm looking for one that is customization and can look very clean clean. Performance isn't an issue. I'll try pretty much everything that is recommended.

[QUOTE=Scootyrooty;40191719]Alright, so I have Indecisive Syndrome. I can not decide on what Desktop Environment I should chose for my Arch install. I'm looking for one that is customization and can look very clean clean. Performance isn't an issue. I'll try pretty much everything that is recommended.[/QUOTE] I always say AwesomeWM, since that is the WM that I am most productive in (seriously the shit you can do with it once you've customized it holy shit.) The problem with AwesomeWM, though, is that you need to get to know it to see how much it can do. If that doesn't suit you, try that Enlightenment thing. I haven't tried it myself, but the video's from it look quite good.