General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

Mokstb af the time, I always go for soemthing bleeding edge. Be it Arch, Fedora, or even Firefox Nightly / Chrome Canary. They all seemed pretty stable to me, even in a corporate environment, where stability matters.

Yeah, I honestly don't know what you've been doing to your Arch systems, Falco. I have been running the same Arch install for almost 3 years now and have never had it break on me. I update (on average) every day, too.

At work, I ran an Arch system, which could be looked at as a "mission ciritcal" system. This install served me ~1 year without any problems, until I switched to another machine, and went with Windows 7. This install has survived the systemd change, fontconfig incident and other things without giving a fuck.

[QUOTE=jetboy;43014818]Yeah, I honestly don't know what you've been doing to your Arch systems, Falco. I have been running the same Arch install for almost 3 years now and have never had it break on me. I update (on average) every day, too.[/QUOTE] pacman - Syyu

So two things, one, I broke Arch, two I bought an SSD. The first, I seem to have no user list in the GDM greeter until I restart it in the second tty, and I'm not sure what is causing the that. The second, I installed arch as one partition, which I am now regretting, how can I move root to the SSD and leave home on the HDD? EDIT: And 1 has disappeared, just leaving 2...

[QUOTE=kaukassus;43014839]At work, I ran an Arch system, which could be looked at as a "mission ciritcal" system. This install served me ~1 year without any problems, until I switched to another machine, and went with Windows 7. This install has survived the systemd change, fontconfig incident and other things without giving a fuck.[/QUOTE] heh, I've been running Gentoo for years now, even on what they call "unstable", and I've survived all its incidents, like...like...uh...huh, I guess my distro isn't crap enough to have "incidents". The worst I've ever had to deal with was udev's "predictable interface names", and even then I just put "net.ifnames=0" in my kernel commandline and called it a day.

I managed to get network boot working and I can select the mint CD on my laptop, but after that it just boots into a busybox. I'm clueless with linux, what do I do?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;43014839]At work, I ran an Arch system, which could be looked at as a "mission ciritcal" system. This install served me ~1 year without any problems, until I switched to another machine, and went with Windows 7. This install has survived the systemd change, fontconfig incident and other things without giving a fuck.[/QUOTE] How are you people immune to all update bugs in Arch? Seriously, their news site has several posts over the years saying "a normal pacman -Syyu will fuck up your system unless yada yada yada." Granted, I stopped using Arch for quite some time now. Has it improved in the recent years?

[QUOTE=FPtje;43021203]How are you people immune to all update bugs in Arch? Seriously, their news site has several posts over the years saying "a normal pacman -Syyu will fuck up your system unless yada yada yada." Granted, I stopped using Arch for quite some time now. Has it improved in the recent years?[/QUOTE] I've never had any issue with a standard -Syyu, it doesn't take a genius to notice that replacing sysv-init without thinking for a moment might be a bad idea

[QUOTE=esalaka;43021312]I've never had any issue with a standard -Syyu, it doesn't take a genius to notice that replacing sysv-init without thinking for a moment might be a bad idea[/QUOTE] No, all it takes is a drop of ignorance.

[QUOTE=FPtje;43021203]How are you people immune to all update bugs in Arch? Seriously, their news site has several posts over the years saying "a normal pacman -Syyu will fuck up your system unless yada yada yada." Granted, I stopped using Arch for quite some time now. Has it improved in the recent years?[/QUOTE] On my old desktop, I simply had conky read the RSS feed for the Arch news. On my laptop now I don't have the luxury of 27' screens, so I just read before I update.

e: nvm, checking out crunchbang

[QUOTE=neos300;43022150]On my old desktop, I simply had conky read the RSS feed for the Arch news. On my laptop now I don't have the luxury of 27' screens, so I just read before I update.[/QUOTE] I've had Arch break on updates that weren't mentioned on the site.

Hi dudes, having problems getting Centos 6.4 working on this h81 board. How can I get it working?

Debian jessie seems nice, I had to install some firmware packages to get my GPU and wireless working, but other than that... The kernel is fairly recent too, that's always a good sign.

[QUOTE=FPtje;43024231]I've had Arch break on updates that weren't mentioned on the site.[/QUOTE] Then subscribe to the mailing list.

Currently installing Mint 16 with Kernel 3.13-RC2 on my computer at work. [URL=https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/11/29/385]Yes, kernel 3.13-RC2 is out[/URL] [quote=Linus] Nothing particularly stands out. If you thought rc1 is too scary to test, jump on in now. It's all good, [/quote] Sounds nice.

[QUOTE=neos300;43026375]Then subscribe to the mailing list.[/QUOTE] "SO HEY GUYS WE'RE GOING TO BREAK YOUR FUCKING SYSTEM BUT IT'S OK BECAUSE WE SENT A MAIL TO A MAILING LIST NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT FUCK YOU" No, that's not how updates are supposed to be done.

[QUOTE=nikomo;43026758]"SO HEY GUYS WE'RE GOING TO BREAK YOUR FUCKING SYSTEM BUT IT'S OK BECAUSE WE SENT A MAIL TO A MAILING LIST NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT FUCK YOU" No, that's not how updates are supposed to be done.[/QUOTE] You're supposed to be responsible for keeping up-to-date and making decisions regarding your system, and you implicitly rely on the arch team for updates, so you are responsible for keeping up-to-date and making decisions about updates. Just because [i]you[/i] were ignorant of the mailing list doesn't mean it isn't available and important. In fact, the [i]beginner's guide[/i] has a section about package management which lists a bunch of convenient ways you can stay up-to-date: [quote] Because of The Arch Way#Code-correctness over convenience it is imperative to keep up to date with changes in Arch Linux that require manual intervention before upgrading your system. Subscribe to the arch-announce mailing list or check the front page Arch news every time before you update. Alternatively, you may find it useful to subscribe to this RSS feed or follow @archlinux on Twitter. [/quote] It also makes the point that arch values doing things the [i]correct[/i] way over doing them the easy or backwards-compatible way. This is refreshing, but bound to cause problems, so you have to be a participant in your updates, not a spectator.

[QUOTE=nikomo;43026758]"SO HEY GUYS WE'RE GOING TO BREAK YOUR FUCKING SYSTEM BUT IT'S OK BECAUSE WE SENT A MAIL TO A MAILING LIST NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT FUCK YOU" No, that's not how updates are supposed to be done.[/QUOTE] To arch's credit, I've never had arch break on me without there being a news article on how to fix it. To say that nobody knows about the mailing list is a bit of a lie, considering it's on the front page: [img]http://i.imgur.com/AOGaApW.png[/img]

I've never had Arch break on me either, well there was that one time where I deleted my whole /lib folder. I didn't know every program in your system would simply stop working so I thought I could move it, but that's due to my own stupidity. Arch never just "broke" on its own.

So, remember me asking about how to limit part of the screen from being used? yeah, I found a "solution" to how to do it. [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/there_i_fixed_dat_shit.jpg[/t] Red text isn't there normally, but to illustrate which part of it is dead.

is chrome os only free if you compile it yourself? i'm fixing up my sisters eepcs and I was thinking of just installing chrome OS on them so they can't really install anything stupid on them, but I can't really find anything except compiling it yourself?

[QUOTE=Psygo;43028278]is chrome os only free if you compile it yourself? i'm fixing up my sisters eepcs and I was thinking of just installing chrome OS on them so they can't really install anything stupid on them, but I can't really find anything except compiling it yourself?[/QUOTE] Hexxeh has some builds floating around, you'd have an easier time installing a regular Linux distro.

[QUOTE=danharibo;43028285]Hexxeh has some builds floating around, you'd have an easier time installing a regular Linux distro.[/QUOTE] yeah but i'm just worried about how easy it is for them to use. [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] oh yeah, forgot to mention, there's no dvd drives, do i just put the iso on the usb stick and then boot from the usb?

[QUOTE=nikomo;43026758]"SO HEY GUYS WE'RE GOING TO BREAK YOUR FUCKING SYSTEM BUT IT'S OK BECAUSE WE SENT A MAIL TO A MAILING LIST NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT FUCK YOU" No, that's not how updates are supposed to be done.[/QUOTE] And this is why I never use or recommend Arch to anyone but the enthusiast. Simply put, it's not an idiot-proof distro. (people might argue no os or linux distro is idiot proof, but arch leaves everything to strange assumptions and not much to be constant when it comes to somehow fucking things up) God knows why anyone would use it for your average server, Scientific Linux, CentOS, Debian and even RHEL are more stable and saner choices overall. But I guess there's a special case for everything.

[QUOTE=Venom Mk III;43028735]God knows why anyone would use it for your average server[/QUOTE] Only an idiot would run bleeding-edge software on a server connected to the internet anyway

[QUOTE=Psygo;43028343]yeah but i'm just worried about how easy it is for them to use. [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] oh yeah, forgot to mention, there's no dvd drives, do i just put the iso on the usb stick and then boot from the usb?[/QUOTE] If you want something a bit like Chrome OS there is always Joli [url]http://www.jolicloud.com/jolios[/url] As for the iso, if by "put" you mean write the image onto it so that it is bootable and stuff then yeah.

The first distro I tried was Ubuntu, but I hated it. The second was Arch and I immediately fell in love with it. It never broke unless I explicitly fucked something up. Am I a weirdo?

I like the simplicity of Ubuntu but the design is ugly. Arch makes me feel like I'm living backwards, I'm not one for setting up my own operating system, I want the computer to do the work for me. At the moment my favorite is elementary OS