General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=Scootyrooty;40191719]Alright, so I have Indecisive Syndrome. I can not decide on what Desktop Environment I should chose for my Arch install. I'm looking for one that is customization and can look very clean clean. Performance isn't an issue. I'll try pretty much everything that is recommended.[/QUOTE] XFCE is pretty customizable. I use it myself and I've created my own Window Manager theme. Here's a picture: [thumb]http://anonmgur.com/up/b05cc2ebee400528eac602f81cd8c69a.png[/thumb] I've made the background white so you can see the windows better.

[QUOTE=benjgvps;40191330]Today I discovered multitail, it's useful. I wanted to see two different apache logs at once and came across it. [IMG]http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/images/sd/multitail-gnome-terminal.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] You could have just used tmux or something similar, I like it. [t]http://i.imgur.com/l0oYz0j.png[/t] That's my server-status window in my tmux session, works great.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try them out!

[QUOTE=Larikang;40175905]Eh, I would still recommend Arch for regular users[/QUOTE] If by "regular user" you mean "basement nerd". Arch isn't -that- complicated to use if you already know Linux and are good with computers, any real average user will never get through the install up to a GUI.

So, since I'm starting my major in Computer Science, I was highly recommended to become familiar with Linux since they said I'll be using it a ton. So today I downloaded Ubuntu 12.10 and stuck it on a USB flash so I could test it before I install it. So far I like it. Posting right now with it running.

I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the CLI, it is much more useful that GIU tools.

I've always rolled a linux distro of some kind on my laptops/netbooks, and just a while ago I got CrunchBang on my little thing. Been customizing this thing constantly and I'm loving all of it. Openbox is so nice! And everything is so clean! I just really need some new icons. [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/ss112.png[/t][t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/ss210.png[/t]

I'm trying various distrbutions. Will I keep my stuff I installed if I change distributions?

I spent two hours today trying to get Etherpad Lite installed on my VPS since Piratepad was shitting the bed while some friends and I were using it to work on cisco ios configs, though it keeps complaining that I'm using an old version of node.js when I have the latest one. [code] etherpad@ny-ocean:~/etherpad-lite$ bin/run.sh You're running a wrong version of node, you're using v0.5.11-pre, we need v0.8.x or v0.10.x etherpad@ny-ocean:~/etherpad-lite$ apt-cache policy nodejs nodejs: Installed: 0.10.3-1chl1~quantal1 Candidate: 0.10.3-1chl1~quantal1 Version table: *** 0.10.3-1chl1~quantal1 0 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/chris-lea/node.js/ubuntu/ quantal/main i386 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 0.6.19~dfsg1-5ubuntu1 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/universe i386 Packages etherpad@ny-ocean:~/etherpad-lite$ [/code] [I]Anything[/I] would be appreciated.

okay trying to install mint on an HP dm4 laptop and xorg is giving me fucking hell [url]http://pastebin.com/nezCL9Uc[/url] i spent like an hour or two working on this and i am ready to beat the shit out of it

[QUOTE=supervoltage;40179831]I understand your points. I believe messing around with the commands in the windows command prompt helped me a bit - learning about the cd and dir commands were enough for me to navigate the file system on Linux. So yeah, if you don't have any experience with computers to the level of knowing how to use the command prompt, you're pretty much helpless unless the Arch Linux devs would put a MOTD on the disc with some basic commands and the fact that they're case-sensitive. Or just open up install.txt in the root home folder automatically when the CD finished booting.[/QUOTE] I would be surprised if someone that clueless about computers would be able to prepare the live media [I]without[/I] reading the Arch Wiki to begin with. Arch isn't meant to be used in a vacuum - using the wiki is practically an essential part of the experience. I would hesitate to say that there are [I]any[/I] Arch users who can perform an install without needing to double check a few things in the wiki. Now you might say "Ugh, too much work!" to that, but it's all part of the learning experience. A good Linux user should always be ready to learn more about their computer.

[QUOTE=Larikang;40235655]I would be surprised if someone that clueless about computers would be able to prepare the live media [I]without[/I] reading the Arch Wiki to begin with. Arch isn't meant to be used in a vacuum - using the wiki is practically an essential part of the experience. I would hesitate to say that there are [I]any[/I] Arch users who can perform an install without needing to double check a few things in the wiki. Now you might say "Ugh, too much work!" to that, but it's all part of the learning experience. A good Linux user should always be ready to learn more about their computer.[/QUOTE] Well, the Arch installer image ships with the relevant page from the wiki, so [I]technically[/I]... (Also, if you've done it once, it's pretty trivial to do it again in a short time. I last installed Arch in December so I dunno if I'd remember how to do it now. I sure as hell remember I should generate the GRUB config tho :v:)

[QUOTE=esalaka;40236631](Also, if you've done it once, it's pretty trivial to do it again in a short time. I last installed Arch in December so I dunno if I'd remember how to do it now. I sure as hell remember I should generate the GRUB config tho :v:)[/QUOTE] I once wiped my HDD about 4 times because I always forgot to do grub-install since it wouldn't launch :v: Good times.. Anyhow, the general stuff you need to do is to follow a basic set of commands. Exceptions are given to those who find it hard to connect to the internet. Just do 'ip link' to see all of your net interfaces (for wireless users). For Ethernet users, you just have to do dhcpcd and off you go; partition the HDD using cfdisk, mount the partitions, do a pacstrap with the base package, generate an fstab using genfstab, arch-chroot into the HDD, write a hostname file with your hostname, link your localtime, install video drivers and other necessary programs, download and install grub and then create your config file using grub-mkconfig. Really simple, though I wonder why I can't remember my maths formulas.

Fuck, I tried to install Ubuntu on my laptop only to end up knowing about SiS' hate for Linux. Video driver is all fucked up. Would this end up happening with all other distributions as well? If anything, which distribution should I try next? Assuming that I ever ONLY used Ubuntu though :v: I want to try something new, is Mint a good idea?

Woo, CS:GO is coming to linux!

[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;40245491]Woo, CS:GO is coming to linux![/QUOTE] Well, all VALVe games are coming to Linux & Mac. I'm just waiting for DotA 2 beta to come to an end so they'll finish the Mac & Linux versions... (I WANT TO PLAY ON MY LAPTOP DAMNIT)

I mean that it is coming soon :v:

[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;40245531]I mean that it is coming soon :v:[/QUOTE] Unless you have a date on that, don't expect much :p

Is it weird if Steam for Linux runs worse for me than if I'd run the Windows version with Wine?

[QUOTE=supervoltage;40246035]Is it weird if Steam for Linux runs worse for me than if I'd run the Windows version with Wine?[/QUOTE] Its running like absolute ass on my computer too. [editline]11th April 2013[/editline] Also, why didn't I find this sooner. The NE text editor is awesome, the simplicity of nano with a few more advance functions if you want them.

Recent update actually leaves steam "booting" faster on my Arch install than Win7 (but its still pretty slow on both :v:)

Steam launches very quickly on my Windows partition, but it's not the launch times I'm after. For example, with Steam for Linux, the input (keyboard) kind of lags and stutters, but running Steam using Wine doesn't have that lag. Also the steam notifications overlap my bottom XFCE panel. And when I right click on the Steam icon in my taskbar it takes a few seconds to load that simple, primitive menu. I have no idea what is the problem.

[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;40245531]I mean that it is coming soon :v:[/QUOTE] "Soon" for Valve is traditionally two months to nine years

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1ZR9cnQ.png[/IMG] :3

Has anyone here had any success running Steam on OpenSUSE? I'd thought of giving it a shot since Ubuntu's starting to bore me, but I don't know how well Steam and RPM-based distributions get along.

You're probably on your own when installing prerequisites but other than that it should run fine

How much space does Arch require? I fancy trying it on a VM.

[QUOTE=Leestons;40260182]How much space does Arch require? I fancy trying it on a VM.[/QUOTE] [code] pacman -Si $(pacman -Sgq base base-devel) | awk '/Installed Size/ {sum+=$4;} END {print sum/1024 " MiB"}' 427.081 MiB [/code] Although I'm not sure you need base-devel so: [code] pacman -Si $(pacman -Sgq base) | awk '/Installed Size/ {sum+=$4;} END {print sum/1024 " MiB"}' 263.972 MiB [/code] [editline]12th April 2013[/editline] And if you really need to you can cut out some things in base if you really want, such as the man pages.

[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;40260292][code] pacman -Si $(pacman -Sgq base base-devel) | awk '/Installed Size/ {sum+=$4;} END {print sum/1024 " MiB"}' 427.081 MiB [/code] Although I'm not sure you need base-devel so: [code] pacman -Si $(pacman -Sgq base) | awk '/Installed Size/ {sum+=$4;} END {print sum/1024 " MiB"}' 263.972 MiB [/code] [editline]12th April 2013[/editline] And if you really need to you can cut out some things in base if you really want, such as the man pages.[/QUOTE] Is that it? Awesome! Thank you.

[QUOTE=supervoltage;40253510]Steam launches very quickly on my Windows partition, but it's not the launch times I'm after. For example, with Steam for Linux, the input (keyboard) kind of lags and stutters, but running Steam using Wine doesn't have that lag. Also the steam notifications overlap my bottom XFCE panel. And when I right click on the Steam icon in my taskbar it takes a few seconds to load that simple, primitive menu. I have no idea what is the problem.[/QUOTE] Steam is much faster on Linux than it has ever been on Windows for me.