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[QUOTE=TheCreeper;43460329]Linux Mint.[/QUOTE] Or KDE

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;43460329]Linux Mint.[/QUOTE] I take it I should get the "Petra" verion... [QUOTE=Anderen2;43460361]Or KDE[/QUOTE] with KDE out of the box?

[QUOTE=diwako;43460416]I take it I should get the "Petra" verion... with KDE out of the box?[/QUOTE] KDE out of the box isn't really that far from Windows in functionality. But it could use some small changes to be more similar visual wise.

[QUOTE=diwako;43460318]So I am giving my father the linux treatment for his new pc, since he always messes up a windows system. Should I just go with ubuntu or should I go for another distro?[/QUOTE] Linux mint, because it's basically ubuntu without the unfamiliar interface, or a distro with KDE, for example Kubuntu. Both are fairly easy for a beginner to use, and they share a similiar look compared to the Windows User interface.

Quick question, I've been using crunchbang for a rather long time now but there is one problem really. The packages are so outdated so I've been thinking of switching to Debian Sid. This is just a laptop to do programming on. it's rather annoying to find out that you've been using an outdated package which you can't upgrade easily either unless you compile it yourself and even then you'd have to be lucky. So, Is there anything I should watch out for if it'd switch over to Sid? I heard it can be a bit buggy from time to time but nothing really too /breaking/ and they get fixed rather fast.

[QUOTE=Superkipje;43461190]Quick question, I've been using crunchbang for a rather long time now but there is one problem really. The packages are so outdated so I've been thinking of switching to Debian Sid. This is just a laptop to do programming on. it's rather annoying to find out that you've been using an outdated package which you can't upgrade easily either unless you compile it yourself and even then you'd have to be lucky. So, Is there anything I should watch out for if it'd switch over to Sid? I heard it can be a bit buggy from time to time but nothing really too /breaking/ and they get fixed rather fast.[/QUOTE] The stability can be compared to distros like Archlinux, fedora and other distros with recent packages. I've used Sid a few times now, and personally, I never had any problems running a Sid system. The Upgrade from Stable -> Sid has always gone smoothly for me.

Can't even install the kernel manually. [t]http://nehkz.me/img/i/392ef48638687be240e1d71286f39364.png[/t] What the hell is going on? I have trouble installing any other distro becuase they either won't boot, don't install properly or won't boot grub and even if I do install one, I have a ridiculous amount of problems. This is beyond annoying now.

[QUOTE=nehkz;43461557]Can't even install the kernel manually. [t]http://nehkz.me/img/i/392ef48638687be240e1d71286f39364.png[/t] What the hell is going on? I have trouble installing any other distro becuase they either won't boot, don't install properly or won't boot grub and even if I do install one, I have a ridiculous amount of problems. This is beyond annoying now.[/QUOTE] I think you'll need to read about how to do these things, because it's even telling you what to do in that very picture. I would gladly help you out, but you'll need to read your error messages, because they're the very best and most important clue as to what you did wrong, or in this case, didn't do.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;43461709]I think you'll need to read about how to do these things, because it's even telling you what to do in that very picture. I would gladly help you out, but you'll need to read your error messages, because they're the very best and most important clue as to what you did wrong, or in this case, didn't do.[/QUOTE] I did notice those messages right after I posted. I'll try it later, but I bet you £5 it won't work.

[QUOTE=nehkz;43461740]I did notice those messages right after I posted. I'll try it later, but I bet you £5 it won't work.[/QUOTE] That bet is up, but only if you configure it properly with the required support for your existing hardware. I hope you know what you're in for. If you need help with it, I can suggest reading some of the Gentoo documentation on configuration and installation of kernels, because that's (mostly) all done without preconfiguration.

Got Mint with KDE runnnig now smoothly and everything updated. Now I only need to make it look like windows or my father will never stop complaining how it looks different. Problem is, I never really customized KDE before and all the full transformation packs I found are dead, anyone knows a working pack?

-edit- After doing make, I couldn't do make install: [t]http://nehkz.me/img/i/b281ed34b6f1d947032bef11c2b20423.png[/t] Any ideas why I can't install anything?

[QUOTE=nehkz;43462030]-edit- After doing make, I couldn't do make install: [t]http://nehkz.me/img/i/b281ed34b6f1d947032bef11c2b20423.png[/t] Any ideas why I can't install anything?[/QUOTE] The Gentoo documentation that I was refering to in my post clearly states the following process: make [menuconfig|oldconfig|xconfig] make make modules_install The kernel installation itself is up to you, but can be done with make install as you were trying. But again, you need to follow all the steps.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;43462470]The Gentoo documentation that I was refering to in my post clearly states the following process: make [menuconfig|oldconfig|xconfig] make make modules_install The kernel installation itself is up to you, but can be done with make install as you were trying. But again, you need to follow all the steps.[/QUOTE] That worked, but, now I'm back to square one. I still can't install my network driver. [t]http://nehkz.me/img/i/668b7c35259f9bcfd4c6b1f96c68fe01.png[/t] (P.S Sorry for filling the thread up, guys.)

[QUOTE=nehkz;43462972]-snip- (P.S Sorry for filling the thread up, guys.)[/QUOTE] If you don't noone will. Keep posting so we can help. :v: You compiled the [i]kernel[/i], but apparently didn't actually install the kernel [I]headers[/I]? The headers are only used for module development (they provide information about available functions to the compiler so it knows how to setup the dynamic linking for when the module is loaded), they aren't a part of the kernel per-se.

[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;43463328]If you don't noone will. Keep posting so we can help. :v: You compiled the [i]kernel[/i], but apparently didn't actually install the kernel [I]headers[/I]? The headers are only used for module development (they provide information about available functions to the compiler so it knows how to setup the dynamic linking for when the module is loaded), they aren't a part of the kernel per-se.[/QUOTE] I did make modules_install as master said, was there something else I needed to do? I also have another #! option on grub when I boot with the latest kernel version but I think I need to do something with modprobe to get it to work. How would I go about doing that? I think when I boot into the #! install with the correct kernel version it may work.

[QUOTE=nehkz;43463412]I did make modules_install as master said, was there something else I needed to do? I also have another #! option on grub when I boot with the latest kernel version but I think I need to do something with modprobe to get it to work. How would I go about doing that? I think when I boot into the #! install with the correct kernel version it may work.[/QUOTE] make modules_install only copies binary .ko modules into /lib/modules/VERSION, though, it doesn't install the headers they were compiled against. You need to [url=https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/make/headers_install.txt]make headers_install[/url] (or similar) to get userspace-ready kernel-module headers into a standard library path so you can compile your custom module. [editline]8th January 2014[/editline] I may be wrong on this, I've never compiled a kernel module so this is all just speculation based on how the options are named. If you still have trouble I'll try getting the headers out of a kernel build myself and compile my own module; should be fun actually :v:

[QUOTE=diwako;43462023]Got Mint with KDE runnnig now smoothly and everything updated. Now I only need to make it look like windows or my father will never stop complaining how it looks different. Problem is, I never really customized KDE before and all the full transformation packs I found are dead, anyone knows a working pack?[/QUOTE] You don't really need any packs, just use the built in theme downloader under the settings. Some themes that I found: Workspace Appearance: Window Decoration - seven aurorae Cursor Theme - Aero Mouse Cursors with Drop Shadow Desktop Theme - Vistar7 Application Appearance: Colors - Understated Icons - Win7 Lookalike ([URL="serveradm.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Win7.Lookalike.2011.04.05.tar.gz"]Download and apply this under the Icons panel (serveradm.ru Filehost)[/URL] Right click the desktop, goto "Desktop settings" and set "Folder View" as layout. Then just put a panel on the bottom with either Application Launcher (Modern KDE Menu) or Application Launcher Menu (Traditional KDE Menu [Think Windows Classic]). Icon-Only Task manager, and a System Tray, with an digital clock (With ISO as "date format" under the clock's settings) at the right end. KDE (Kubuntu) with these settings: [IMG]http://greker.org/and/kdewin4.png[/IMG]

looks like something you'd get on a fake windows laptop

oh god put it out of its misery

[QUOTE=kaukassus;43461479] The Upgrade from Stable -> Sid has always gone smoothly for me.[/QUOTE] You mean I can actually upgrade to Sid from crunch bang (Stable) without the need of re-installing?

[QUOTE=Superkipje;43475648]You mean I can actually upgrade to Sid from crunch bang (Stable) without the need of re-installing?[/QUOTE] I'd assume that you can, since crunchbang is basically debian with some rice added out of the box.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;43475694]I'd assume that you can, since crunchbang is basically debian with some rice added out of the box.[/QUOTE] Can you tell me how to do it? Or provide a link where it's explained how to do it? That would be lovely, thanks!

Tried installing windows next to my linux installation on my desktop (had no windows on that system for over 5 months). Gave it a sepperate 500GB disk and partitioned it to NTFS. Instead of installing on that disk it deleted my partition on my 256GB disk, Put the C:/ on the 500GB disk and tried to resize my 2TB partition containing my linux installation 450 MB smaller and created a 350MB system reserved partition. That other partition is now corrupt and I lost a ton of data. I can tell it you it fucked up in a huge way and it efficiently broke everything. I'm never using windows again [editline]9th January 2014[/editline] I have backups of some of my files but I lost all of my custom configs/music/photos/tv episodes etc.

[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;43463847]make modules_install only copies binary .ko modules into /lib/modules/VERSION, though, it doesn't install the headers they were compiled against. You need to [url=https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/make/headers_install.txt]make headers_install[/url] (or similar) to get userspace-ready kernel-module headers into a standard library path so you can compile your custom module. [editline]8th January 2014[/editline] I may be wrong on this, I've never compiled a kernel module so this is all just speculation based on how the options are named. If you still have trouble I'll try getting the headers out of a kernel build myself and compile my own module; should be fun actually :v:[/QUOTE] Thanks for trying to help. I've given up on it. It doesn't make any sense why it wouldn't install anything properly. I'm getting my thinkpad t60 soon, so I'll just install Linux on that and be done with it. [QUOTE=Mega1mpact;43475983]Tried installing windows next to my linux installation on my desktop (had no windows on that system for over 5 months). Gave it a sepperate 500GB disk and partitioned it to NTFS. Instead of installing on that disk it deleted my partition on my 256GB disk, Put the C:/ on the 500GB disk and tried to resize my 2TB partition containing my linux installation 450 MB smaller and created a 350MB system reserved partition. That other partition is now corrupt and I lost a ton of data. I can tell it you it fucked up in a huge way and it efficiently broke everything. I'm never using windows again [editline]9th January 2014[/editline] I have backups of some of my files but I lost all of my custom configs/music/photos/tv episodes etc.[/QUOTE] I [I]wish[/I] I could never use windows again.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;43475983]Tried installing windows next to my linux installation on my desktop (had no windows on that system for over 5 months). Gave it a sepperate 500GB disk and partitioned it to NTFS. Instead of installing on that disk it deleted my partition on my 256GB disk, Put the C:/ on the 500GB disk [B]and tried to resize my 2TB partition containing my linux installation 450 MB smaller and created a 350MB system reserved partition[/B]. That other partition is now corrupt and I lost a ton of data. I can tell it you it fucked up in a huge way and it efficiently broke everything. I'm never using windows again [editline]9th January 2014[/editline] I have backups of some of my files but I lost all of my custom configs/music/photos/tv episodes etc.[/QUOTE] So wait, you used windows to resize a presumably ext3/4 / btrfs partition?

[QUOTE=Superkipje;43475899]Can you tell me how to do it? Or provide a link where it's explained how to do it? That would be lovely, thanks![/QUOTE] I dug around a little for Some guide on updating Crunchbang 11 to Sid, and this is what I found: [url]http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=16353[/url] I don't know, if every step on this guide is really needed, since on Debian I only had to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and change 3 words, update and that was it.

[QUOTE=benjojo;43476839]So wait, you used windows to resize a presumably ext3/4 / btrfs partition?[/QUOTE] no it did it without asking me. I pointed the installer to a 500GB partition on a 500Gb disk (100%) so it could use that. It used that for c:/ but also tried to resize my linux partitions on my 2TB disk to place it's system reserved partition (Without asking) there.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;43479563]no it did it without asking me. I pointed the installer to a 500GB partition on a 500Gb disk (100%) so it could use that. It used that for c:/ but also tried to resize my linux partitions on my 2TB disk to place it's system reserved partition (Without asking) there.[/QUOTE] Ah right, When doing stuff like that I tend to flat out remove the storage mediums I really care about. can't overwrite the disk if its offline. Also, Might be worth paying $5 a month for a backup service? You have nuked your stuff twice now by mistake?

[QUOTE=benjojo;43485357]Ah right, When doing stuff like that I tend to flat out remove the storage mediums I really care about. can't overwrite the disk if its offline. Also, Might be worth paying $5 a month for a backup service? You have nuked your stuff twice now by mistake?[/QUOTE] I'm already backing up all my stuff now. Except large files that I can easilly reobtain. Also it seems like my media disk survived so I don't have to redownload that. Still a pain to reinstall etc