General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

Id like to use a full desktop enviroment though, I assume this isnt possible through XServer? I have used XServer before and It was brilliant, but iirc it only worked for application windows. Plus Id like iPad compatibility

[url]https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00402.html[/url] Looks like the vote is nearing it's end. I really hope they go trough with systemd.

If I read correctly, all that needs to happen is for Bdale to submit his vote (Systemd), and then the voting will end (the outcome is no longer in doubt, so the voting can end before the 15th), and Debian will be using Systemd in the future.

I guess in 2-3 days we'll know. [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] I'm 100% sure, debian will go with Systemd

[quote]On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 07:15:58PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: > I vote F, V, O, U, D.[/quote] Is it just me or is this guy being a dick?

Anyone know why Mint and Fedora seriously lag on a Zotac Zbox while Windows 7 works very well?

[QUOTE=Larikang;43870053]Is it just me or is this guy being a dick?[/QUOTE] I guess he doesen't like Systemd [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SEKCobra;43870157]Anyone know why Mint and Fedora seriously lag on a Zotac Zbox while Windows 7 works very well?[/QUOTE] Fedora worked well on my Zotac, and I didn't really notice any lag.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;43870321]I guess he doesen't like Systemd [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] Fedora worked well on my Zotac, and I didn't really notice any lag.[/QUOTE] Well this thing is quite old so you notice problems a lot faster. Also Mint would just hang every now and again, too.

It's official! [url]http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYwMDQ[/url]

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[QUOTE=kaukassus;43867611]When it comes to floating Window Managers, I kinda prefer XFCE or LXDE rather than Gnome Shell or KDE. Sometimes I tend to use Cinnamon.[/QUOTE] Using XFCE on this old laptop. Its pretty damn quick compared to KDE. Not as pretty, but I haven't really themed it yet. I also use LXDE on my Mac Mini G4. Pretty much instant response.

How the heck do I install [url=http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-rc2-trusty/]these kernel packages[/url]? I know I could install all the image-amd64, headers-amd64, and headers-all, but now there are these lowlatency instead of generic packages. Do I install them all (amd64 ones) or pick between lowlatency and generic packages?

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;43870961]How the heck do I install [url=http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-rc2-trusty/]these kernel packages[/url]? I know I could install all the image-amd64, headers-amd64, and headers-all, but now there are these lowlatency instead of generic packages. Do I install them all (amd64 ones) or pick between lowlatency and generic packages?[/QUOTE] Wow they now build low latency versions too? cool beans. Eh, just stick to the generic kernel.

I think that this whole systemd/upstart debate has been a little overblown, but I'm really glad that they've made a decision. Systemd has it's problems, but I think that with Debian supporting it they'll have a lot more pressure to fix those problems and make the whole ecosystem nicer for everyone.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;43871123]Wow they now build low latency versions too? cool beans. Eh, just stick to the generic kernel.[/QUOTE] So they are different things? Guess I'll stick with the generic. Can't really find a compasiron between the two besides maybe low latency audio.

I just got back from the shop like, an hour ago, with popcorn. Time to read some comments regarding Systemd.

[QUOTE=nikomo;43872211]I just got back from the shop like, an hour ago, with popcorn. Time to read some comments regarding Systemd.[/QUOTE] Brb making coffee and doing the same

[QUOTE=kaukassus;43872234]Brb making coffee and doing the same[/QUOTE] i'd join you if i didn't have an interview to go to soon you'll have to post the highlights in here

ah yes please post the highlights. I have to go to bed in a minute because I have to wake up at 6AM

Looks like some members are calling for GR. Looks like it's not quite over yet. Also, Judging by the amount of debian threads in /g/ and their posts, people seem to be quite upset. Nothing worth posting since it's the general /g/ babble.

So I installed Windows 8 again to play some games, and yay installing Windows after Linux gives trouble and especially the way I did it. I'm gonna need some help fixing the bootloader crap because I'm afraid I'll do something wrong if I look stuff up on the internet. So I have two disks. An SSD on slot 0 on my mobo, and a HDD on slot 1. I already had Linux installed on the SSD, with a /data partition on the HDD. I then installed Windows 8 on another partition on the HDD, and I disconnected the SSD during setup because it wouldn't work otherwise. Windows will boot just fine as long as the SSD is disconnected. Linux will boot just fine as long as both are connected, and I choose the HDD from the boot menu in the BIOS. Windows will have some kind of weird loop involving turning the screens on and off when trying to boot with both connected, and of course, won't show a dual-boot menu. What I'd like to have is a GRUB bootloader being used by default when booting with both drives connected, or maybe the Windows 8 boot menu with the option to boot from Linux. Is this possible or did I mess up? On a side note, does anyone happen to know a program of some sorts I can use to mount/read ext4 filesystems on Windows 8? Ext2fsd and Ext2Read didn't work for me.

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;43874323] On a side note, does anyone happen to know a program of some sorts I can use to mount/read ext4 filesystems on Windows 8? Ext2fsd and Ext2Read didn't work for me.[/QUOTE] There is no ext4 filesystem drivers available for windows that are reliable so if you do find one make sure you use it in read only mode. You would think Microsoft would have implemented a Ext2 or Ext3 driver in Windows by now because of how widely used it is.

[QUOTE=Chizbang;43868536]I have a VPS in New York. I live in the UK and id like to run a couple of GUI applications on my VPS but the trouble is, its really laggy over VNC. Im in the UK so the pings around 80 to at its highest 120. Is there any alternative to VNC that work well over long distances? It becomes less laggy if I turn down the colors to 256 which id rather not. How do companies like Onlive do it? I used to play on US servers when using Onlive and it worked pretty well and everything was nice and smooth. I dont want everything liquid smooth, but not shuttering frames. I have another VPS in Italy which works great with millions of colors and everythings nice and smooth enough. Any ideas?[/QUOTE] Try (a modern version of) Xpra. I had this exact issue and it was solved with Xpra and its compression systems

Recently upgraded my computer and got 16GB of RAM, cause "why not?" [code] total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 15966 2724 13241 271 120 1758 -/+ buffers/cache: 845 15120[/code] Ok, maybe it was overkill. Any ideas on what I can actually do with it? Maybe I'll write a script to load my entire root FS into cache on boot.

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;43874323]So I installed Windows 8 again to play some games, and yay installing Windows after Linux gives trouble and especially the way I did it. I'm gonna need some help fixing the bootloader crap because I'm afraid I'll do something wrong if I look stuff up on the internet. So I have two disks. An SSD on slot 0 on my mobo, and a HDD on slot 1. I already had Linux installed on the SSD, with a /data partition on the HDD. I then installed Windows 8 on another partition on the HDD, and I disconnected the SSD during setup because it wouldn't work otherwise. Windows will boot just fine as long as the SSD is disconnected. Linux will boot just fine as long as both are connected, and I choose the HDD from the boot menu in the BIOS. Windows will have some kind of weird loop involving turning the screens on and off when trying to boot with both connected, and of course, won't show a dual-boot menu. What I'd like to have is a GRUB bootloader being used by default when booting with both drives connected, or maybe the Windows 8 boot menu with the option to boot from Linux. Is this possible or did I mess up? On a side note, does anyone happen to know a program of some sorts I can use to mount/read ext4 filesystems on Windows 8? Ext2fsd and Ext2Read didn't work for me.[/QUOTE] you could try adding a windows entry to /etc/grub.d/40_custom if windows isn't showing up in grub but i have a feeling it might just do the same thing it did when you changed the boot order windows is dumb [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] also, guys I got opensuse working on my laptop again. It turns out lightdm was just being a shit and crashing all the time. Is there any disadvantage to using xdm other than my login screen being fuck-ugly now?

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;43874323]What I'd like to have is a GRUB bootloader being used by default when booting with both drives connected, or maybe the Windows 8 boot menu with the option to boot from Linux. Is this possible or did I mess up?[/QUOTE] This is very much possible, though the only way I know how to do it involves a lot of steps. Simple steps, but steps. 1) Boot from a live Linux environment. It can be an Ubuntu "Try the desktop" deal, or it can be a super minimal environment like Arch or Gentoo's install discs. As long as you can get to a shell (preferably as root somehow), you're good. 2) Mount your Linux installation's root partition somewhere. I'm going to assume /mnt/linux for these instructions, but it could conceivably be anywhere (even /run/media/user/label or wherever the big DE mount tools mount shit nowadays) 3) Run the following set of commands: [code]mount --rbind /dev /mnt/linux/dev mount -t proc proc /mnt/linux/proc chroot /mnt/linux /bin/bash[/code] This should put you in the root of your Linux install, as root, with all the amenities you need to get the process finished. 4) Run "grub-install /dev/sda" (assuming /dev/sda is your boot drive) 5) If you're using GRUB2 (most distros are now, I think) and you didn't change the config files at all, run "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg". This should automatically detect your Windows install and put it in the menu. 6) Type "exit" in this shell to go back to your live environment. Reboot as normal. 7) It should just work now. [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Little Donny;43879771]you could try adding a windows entry to /etc/grub.d/40_custom if windows isn't showing up in grub but i have a feeling it might just do the same thing it did when you changed the boot order windows is dumb[/QUOTE] His problem is he installed Windows after Linux and overwrote GRUB, if I'm reading it right.

[QUOTE=Little Donny;43879771]you could try adding a windows entry to /etc/grub.d/40_custom if windows isn't showing up in grub but i have a feeling it might just do the same thing it did when you changed the boot order windows is dumb [/QUOTE] There is no need to add such entry's to the GRUB configuration as using the update-grub command will detect any Windows installations on the computer and add the appropriate entry's necessary for a new boot option in the GRUB menu.

[QUOTE=lavacano;43880173]This is very much possible, though the only way I know how to do it involves a lot of steps. Simple steps, but steps. 1) Boot from a live Linux environment. It can be an Ubuntu "Try the desktop" deal, or it can be a super minimal environment like Arch or Gentoo's install discs. As long as you can get to a shell (preferably as root somehow), you're good. 2) Mount your Linux installation's root partition somewhere. I'm going to assume /mnt/linux for these instructions, but it could conceivably be anywhere (even /run/media/user/label or wherever the big DE mount tools mount shit nowadays) 3) Run the following set of commands: [code]mount --rbind /dev /mnt/linux/dev mount -t proc proc /mnt/linux/proc chroot /mnt/linux /bin/bash[/code] This should put you in the root of your Linux install, as root, with all the amenities you need to get the process finished. 4) Run "grub-install /dev/sda" (assuming /dev/sda is your boot drive) 5) If you're using GRUB2 (most distros are now, I think) and you didn't change the config files at all, run "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg". This should automatically detect your Windows install and put it in the menu. 6) Type "exit" in this shell to go back to your live environment. Reboot as normal. 7) It should just work now. [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] His problem is he installed Windows after Linux and overwrote GRUB, if I'm reading it right.[/QUOTE] I don't think Windows' bootloader overwrote GRUB, since GRUB should be on my SSD, which was disconnected during the Windows setup. Anyway, the biggest problem is getting Windows to boot with both drives disconnected. [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] Thanks for the instructions btw, but that's only one half of the problem.

Would Fedora (after installing stuff like flash, java, codecs etc) be a good OS for a linux novice? I have to look for one for my boss. He really wants to try out linux on his desktop at home.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;43881420]Would Fedora (after installing stuff like flash, java, codecs etc) be a good OS for a linux novice? I have to look for one for my boss. He really wants to try out linux on his desktop at home.[/QUOTE] Linux Mint? Perhaps OpenSuse?