General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install

[rilez]

Which one loads Windows? Load UEFI?

[diwako]

Every "ubuntu" options loads up a working grub where I can load either windows or ubuntu

[rilez]

If you can boot into Ubuntu, you could try deleting /boot/grub/grub.cfg and then re-run this (make sure you have os-prober installed):

grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

I honestly have no idea why you have three different entries for GRUB and I'm not 100% sure how to fix it on Ubuntu with GRUB, sorry. Never used GRUB with UEFI

[editline]21st February 2014[/editline]

The log says you have Syslinux on dev/sdb which has me even more confused

[editline]21st February 2014[/editline]

Alternatively you could just change your BIOS to automatically boot into one of the working entries

[rilez]

Messing with Cinnamon Menu to make it more like GNOME activities

[t]http://i.imgur.com/9KAc5qX.png[/t]

[diwako]

[QUOTE=rilez;44001136]
Alternatively you could just change your BIOS to automatically boot into one of the working entries[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'd do that, but it only gives me the option to select the broken one.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/tRcLTou.jpg[/t]

There is a way apparently to fix this broken grub to fetch the files from the fixed ones. However you need to specify the right partition. This laptop has 10 (!) due to OEM shit I suppose. Tried them all and got nothing.

So far I found this, but haven't tried it yet so I don't fuck up even more.
[url]http://askubuntu.com/questions/143667/boot-error-no-such-device-grub-rescue[/url]

Wouldn't even need a liveCD since I can boot into Linux (and windows).

[rilez]

What do you guys consider "essential" Linux software? Trying to think of things to put on our "distro".

So far we've got:

fileroller (archive manager)
gnome-calculator
finalterm (terminal emulator, this one seems pretty awesome)
firefox-nightly (loaded with hand picked extensions. abp, disconnect, hidetabbar, htitle, omnibar, youtube html5)
fontviewer (browse installed fonts)
gedit
eyeofgnome (image viewer)
alacarte (the cinnamon menu editor)
mumble
nemo (files)
pamac and pamac-update (package manager and updater for arch, from manjaro)
shutter (screenshots, also a real bitch to compile on arch for some reason)
steam (you can redistribute the installer right? but not the installed version?)
vlc

+ whatever would come standard on an Arch install (including multilib, yaourt, base-devel, etc. maybe pre configured infinality)

I think we're going to include Docky. Applications would minimize to the dock, and then the dock would default to intelligent hide. So you will always have access to pinned apps on the desktop, and then they hide when you don't need them. Keeps the panel a LOT cleaner. But since this is cinnamon, someone could add those indicators back if they wanted...

But yeah, what would you guys like to see? Terminal emulators, text editors. We'll include more editors. LibreOffice, Geany, GIMP. Stuff like that. I'm looking more for atypical stuff. Minimalism is what we're going for, so if the app looks really nice, that's a bonus.

[vlad]

not sure if you guys got gimp or not, but thats an essential for sure.

not sure if mumble should be in by default as people might use other programs like vent and ts3

[Frohman]

finalterm looks slick, are there any similarly modern terminal emulators which'd work well with fish shell?

[Stonecycle]

Thunderbird or Evolution? Heaven knows we need an email client.

[rilez]

Tossing Mumble, throwing in Libre, GIMP and Geary.

This is what it will look like, sort of. I'm using Zukitwo as a base. I like how the panel looks, most of the changes will be in the window controls and flat colors:

[t]http://i.imgur.com/YPiQSBz.png[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/EiJStMm.png[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/qHy93BB.png[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/iUdsJQG.png[/t]

I'm still tweaking the menu... it can be full screen, but you can also change it to be whatever size you want. I'm gonna poke around in the applet and see if I can tweak some of the font/icon spacing.

[editline]23rd February 2014[/editline]

I'd like to have custom icons and maybe even downloadable skins (like a matching Steam skin for example) but that will take longer and it's something I'll save till later. I like Moka for now.

[rilez]

Final Term is pretty cool, but the performance is pretty garbage... sakura might be a better pick? Think I'm gonna replace Shutter with gnome-screenshot as well, shutter has to be built from the AUR and it's dependency hell, whereas gnome-screenshot is on the official repos.

[SEKCobra]

dig, nmap, whois

[tark!]

tilda, being able to drop down my terminal on top of everything else is so much better than having to navigate through to a dedicated terminal window. and then you just slide it back up when you're done it's great!
got mine looking like the quake console and everything

[Lyokanthrope]

I think Terminology is my favorite terminal emulator but it probably wouldn't integrate well unless you made an ELM theme that matches your GTK setup..

[vlad]

terminator is a pretty cool terminal

[ichiman94]

urxvt

[editline]23rd February 2014[/editline]

xterm is a pretty decent choice too

[editline]23rd February 2014[/editline]

but urxvt support transparent background and daemon clients
and its very sleek, simple

[nikomo]

Throw Mumble back in and kill any retard you run into that still uses Ventrilo or Teamspeak 3.

[shodan]

throw in the netcat version made by nmap

[esalaka]

[QUOTE=rilez;44015518]Final Term is pretty cool, but the performance is pretty garbage... sakura might be a better pick?[/QUOTE]

I always liked sakura, at least.

[editline]23rd February 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44017398]throw in the netcat version made by nmap[/QUOTE]

Isn't that included in extra/nmap though

[vlad]

[QUOTE=nikomo;44017216]Throw Mumble back in and kill any retard you run into that still uses Ventrilo or Teamspeak 3.[/QUOTE]

what exactly is better with mumble than, say, compared to TS3?

I'm currently using TS3 on my VPS mostly because I know TS3 is widely known and used, so it must be good, right? also seen at random times that "the only good thing with mumble is the audio codec" or something along those lines.

[rilez]

I think Sakura is pretty awesome. It has most of the useful stuff I can think of (tabs, right click copy/paste, custom colors, fonts, palettes, backgrounds, etc) without being overly complicated or slow.

Docky seems to be fucked for me. So I thought of a better idea. Cinnamon supports two panels, and you can set auto hide options for both. So I thought about panels in general, and what I use them for.

1. I use certain parts of the panel all the time, so I want them to always be there (clock, running applications)

2. I need easy access to a running/minimized application view, but I don't like having a bunch of icons and text on the panel.

3. I use certain parts of the panel infrequently enough that it doesn't matter if I can always [B]see[/B] them (but I should have easy access to them). This would be the menu/applications button and the system icons (volume, notifications, user settings, weather).

So I did this:

[t]http://i.imgur.com/FIQAWKt.png[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/B7m4242.png[/t]

The top panel is always visible, and has a centered clock like GNOME. The bottom panel auto-hides, and has the menu button and system buttons (volume etc). The icon in the top left lists all running applications, minimized or not, on all workspaces, and lets you switch to them. This accomplishes basically the same thing Docky would have, but uses way less resources, won't crash for no reason (which would leave most people screwed) and looks nicer.

[nikomo]

[QUOTE=PredGD;44017612]what exactly is better with mumble than, say, compared to TS3?

I'm currently using TS3 on my VPS mostly because I know TS3 is widely known and used, so it must be good, right? also seen at random times that "the only good thing with mumble is the audio codec" or something along those lines.[/QUOTE]

Open source, Win+Linux+OS X support, low latency (Ventrilo is slow as balls), password- and certificate-based authentication with encryption by default, the audio codec is amazing, automatic normalization so you don't have to worry about a new person joining in and them having their output level be 20% higher than everyone else, automatic noise cancellation, linked channels, temporary channels, user groups, per-channel and per-user text messages, access control lists if you need them, supports scripting with pretty much any language, and it'll let you have as many users per channel as your server can handle, which I've seen proven, I've seen over 500 people in one Mumble channel when I played EVE Online.

And I like the client's UI.

[esalaka]

[QUOTE=PredGD;44017612]also seen at random times that "the only good thing with mumble is the audio codec" or something along those lines.[/QUOTE]

That's basically saying "Oh, the sound quality is much better but otherwise it's shit"

Mumble also has a really low latency, usually.

[editline]23rd February 2014[/editline]

Also I like the UI as well

[vlad]

[QUOTE=esalaka;44017823]That's basically saying "Oh, the sound quality is much better but otherwise it's shit"

Mumble also has a really low latency, usually.

[editline]23rd February 2014[/editline]

Also I like the UI as well[/QUOTE]

was mostly thinking of that the bandwidth was much lower with the codec, but take what I say with a grain of salt as I honestly don't remember the wording of what the guy said.

I'll give mumble a try on my VPS today and see if I like it

[esalaka]

[QUOTE=PredGD;44017865]was mostly thinking of that the bandwidth was much lower with the codec[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I guess that's true - but on the other hand it kinda means better quality for the same amount of traffic.

[vlad]

and speaking of murmur, I'm having issues starting it up.

I've set the superpassword thing, which it reports it successfully does. however when I try to start it using ./murmur.x86, it simply gives no output. tried running it with verbose to see what happens, but still no output.

[esalaka]

[QUOTE=PredGD;44018053]and speaking of murmur, I'm having issues starting it up.

I've set the superpassword thing, which it reports it successfully does. however when I try to start it using ./murmur.x86, it simply gives no output. tried running it with verbose to see what happens, but still no output.[/QUOTE]

I can't remember if it even outputs to stdout by default, if that's what you're thinking of.

[shodan]

What is the best distro to run on a late 2013 macbook pro retina 15"? I just bought this sucker earlier this morning and I really want to put linux on it.

I've read that there are some driver issues etc but I don't know if you guys have any experience with it.

[nikomo]

murmur.x86 throws itself into the background, there's no console, the administration is done either through the scripting if you're making a control panel or something for it, or you do it via the Mumble client.

[diwako]

Anyone knows how I can find out on which partition labeled as "SDA" my current linux install is? I need it for my supder dooper bootloader problem.