General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=matte3560;44141764]Is there a good Linux alternative to Onenote? I want to install Linux on my laptop, but I use it for school and I need something like Onenote for taking notes and other stuff. I tried installing Office 2010 in wine, but it was a disaster. Slow as fuck, and creating notebooks in Onenote didn't work.[/QUOTE]

Evernote in a web browser?

[rilez]

[QUOTE=matte3560;44141764]Is there a good Linux alternative to Onenote? I want to install Linux on my laptop, but I use it for school and I need something like Onenote for taking notes and other stuff. I tried installing Office 2010 in wine, but it was a disaster. Slow as fuck, and creating notebooks in Onenote didn't work.

I want to install Linux on my desktop too, but gaming on Linux is still pretty limited as far as I can tell. Outside of indie games and Source based games, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of games that natively support Linux.

I love Debian on my server, but the lack of day to day stuff like games and office programs is what keeps me from ditching Windows all together.[/QUOTE]

Microsoft made all of their Office applications available online:

[url]http://www.onenote.com/notebooks[/url]

I don't know what functionality it might be missing

[editline]5th March 2014[/editline]

I've been using Word Online on my Linux installs, and it does everything I would expect Word to do

[editline]5th March 2014[/editline]

As for games, it depends on what you play. There are a lot of games with great Wine support, and the number of native Linux ports has gone up quite a bit recently

For office programs, all I really used on Windows were Office and image/video editing applications. Office is all online like I said (plus there's tons of native Linux apps for editing). GIMP Unstable (I think it's 3.10) is pretty much comparable to Photoshop now, and you can get the layout almost identical. Lightworks is out for Linux now, which means I don't need Premiere or After Effects (and you can use it for free if all you want to do is export to Youtube)

[Comfy]

I'm using office.com as much as possible, and have Libreoffice as a fallback.

It's awesome.

[rilez]

Have any of you used Steam OS, or use it currently? I'm wondering if their custom compositor is compatible with Cinnamon

[matte3560]

[QUOTE=rilez;44144056]Microsoft made all of their Office applications available online:

[url]http://www.onenote.com/notebooks[/url]

I don't know what functionality it might be missing

[editline]5th March 2014[/editline]

I've been using Word Online on my Linux installs, and it does everything I would expect Word to do

[editline]5th March 2014[/editline]

As for games, it depends on what you play. There are a lot of games with great Wine support, and the number of native Linux ports has gone up quite a bit recently

For office programs, all I really used on Windows were Office and image/video editing applications. Office is all online like I said (plus there's tons of native Linux apps for editing). GIMP Unstable (I think it's 3.10) is pretty much comparable to Photoshop now, and you can get the layout almost identical. Lightworks is out for Linux now, which means I don't need Premiere or After Effects (and you can use it for free if all you want to do is export to Youtube)[/QUOTE]

Office online looks like it might work. Sadly the equation tools appear to be missing, but maybe I can do without.

[matte3560]

I imaged my laptop with CloneZilla and installed arch on it. The installation procedure was painful to say the least, i probably spent 2 hours trying to set up EFI, and another 3-4 trying to get the wifi working.

Holy balls it's fast though.

[larikang]

What bootloader did you go with? I noticed today that someone recently made a page for rEFInd on the Arch wiki, but it's pretty poorly written and all over the place.

[ipha]

I'm using gummiboot, which was a pain to get working because

1) The documentation is terrible for EFI bootloaders and
2) You can't install an EFI bootloader without first being booted in EFI mode...

Had to use some magic on the arch install image to get it to boot in EFI, then chroot into my install, then install gummiboot.

All that and I _still_ don't know if/why this is better than BIOS.

[lavacano]

EFI interfaces actually use your mouse and let you click on shit

aside from that i've noticed no functional difference from BIOS so i have no idea why EFI is even a thing

[Demache]

[QUOTE=IpHa;44155156]I'm using gummiboot, which was a pain to get working because

1) The documentation is terrible for EFI bootloaders and
2) You can't install an EFI bootloader without first being booted in EFI mode...

Had to use some magic on the arch install image to get it to boot in EFI, then chroot into my install, then install gummiboot.

All that and I _still_ don't know if/why this is better than BIOS.[/QUOTE]

Usually more efficient boot and capability of booting from >2TB drives. Those are the two main benefits off the top of my head. The benefits pending on your motherboard vendor's implementation of course. On my Gigabyte mobo it literally has the POST screen for a second and Win8 immediately starts (the POST and Win8 screen overlap for a second :v:). No weird pauses or the flashing line. On the other hand, my intel board has EFI, but its pretty much the BIOS appearance wise.

The BIOS has been the reliable workhorse for generations but its also entrenched in tons of legacy shit which is why there is a move away from it. The boot drive limitation being the most obvious one.

[rilez]

With UEFI, you can use the BIOS as the bootloader, rather than a menu like GRUB. So you can set priority, just like if the OSes were installed on different drives

I think rEFInd is better for people who are more comfortable with/prefer an actual GUI. It's much better looking than GRUB anyway.

[editline]7th March 2014[/editline]

My bios always looks shit though. Dunno if it's my card or monitor, but it "centers" the display rather than stretching it. So I always have a huge black border if the resolution is incorrect

[josm]

Since we're talking UEFI, can somebody tell me what the fuck I do to install linux on a UEFI motherboard?

[matte3560]

[QUOTE=Larikang;44154962]What bootloader did you go with? I noticed today that someone recently made a page for rEFInd on the Arch wiki, but it's pretty poorly written and all over the place.[/QUOTE]
I used gummiboot, but I have no idea what I'm doing so I just followed a tutorial (and that's what was used in the tutorial). I don't have the link right now since I'm on my phone, but I think this might be the one I followed: [url]http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-1860905/install-arch-linux-uefi.html[/url]

[larikang]

[QUOTE=josm;44158075]Since we're talking UEFI, can somebody tell me what the fuck I do to install linux on a UEFI motherboard?[/QUOTE]

1. Boot the installation media with UEFI. That could mean customizing the live media to include a UEFI bootloader. The latest Arch live install is UEFI-bootable by default.
2. Format your disk as GPT.
3. Create the ESP (a small FAT32 partition where bootloaders go)
4. Install Linux as usual
5. Install a bootloader to the ESP. My two favorite methods are:
A. EFISTUB - the Linux kernel can be compiled with an option that makes it work as a UEFI bootloader i.e. your BIOS can boot Linux directly. I think that is super cool. The only tricky bit is you need to put your kernel in the ESP in order to boot from it (and remember this when you upgrade your kernel too!).
B. rEFInd - I recently started using this to dual boot Arch and Windows 7 and I love it. efibootmgr is kind of annoying to use and many UEFI BIOS boot selection screens suck, so it can be problematic to rely on the BIOS to choose between bootloaders. rEFInd is really slick and customizable and can boot pretty much anything.
6. Use efibootmgr to add your bootloader to the BIOS

[josm]

[QUOTE=Larikang;44158823]1. Boot the installation media with UEFI. That could mean customizing the live media to include a UEFI bootloader. The latest Arch live install is UEFI-bootable by default.
2. Format your disk as GPT.
3. Create the ESP (a small FAT32 partition where bootloaders go)
4. Install Linux as usual
5. Install a bootloader to the ESP. My two favorite methods are:
A. EFISTUB - the Linux kernel can be compiled with an option that makes it work as a UEFI bootloader i.e. your BIOS can boot Linux directly. I think that is super cool. The only tricky bit is you need to put your kernel in the ESP in order to boot from it (and remember this when you upgrade your kernel too!).
B. rEFInd - I recently started using this to dual boot Arch and Windows 7 and I love it. efibootmgr is kind of annoying to use and many UEFI BIOS boot selection screens suck, so it can be problematic to rely on the BIOS to choose between bootloaders. rEFInd is really slick and customizable and can boot pretty much anything.
6. Use efibootmgr to add your bootloader to the BIOS[/QUOTE]

Two problems:

1. I keep having problems even booting into a Linux install for installing
2. Linux will not "just install" under UEFI. If I don't use UEFI I get network issues and I still get booting problems.

No idea what to do, really. If it helps at all, I have [URL=http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4490#ov]this motherboard[/URL].

[larikang]

[QUOTE=josm;44161917]1. I keep having problems even booting into a Linux install for installing[/quote]
You might have to screw around in your BIOS to get UEFI booting to work.
[QUOTE=josm;44161917]2. Linux will not "just install" under UEFI. If I don't use UEFI I get network issues and I still get booting problems.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Once you've booted with UEFI, there should be very little functional difference. If you are having networking issues without UEFI, you are probably going to have them with it.

[Bee York]

Hey [del]/g/[/del] Facepunch, I currently have a problem with the sound in my laptop and Google yields no helpful results. I'm trying to get sound to play through the speakers in my laptop, but Pulseaudio says that they're unavailable. My headphones work along with the microphone, but just the internal speakers are fucked up.

Here's my asound.conf

# Use PulseAudio by default
pcm.!default {
  type pulse
  fallback "sysdefault"
  hint {
    show on
    description "Default ALSA Output (currently PulseAudio Sound Server)"
  }
}

ctl.!default {
  type pulse
  fallback "sysdefault"
}

# vim:set ft=alsaconf:

Any help? It's all greatly appreciated. I'm running Arch Linux.

[josm]

[QUOTE=Larikang;44162889]You might have to screw around in your BIOS to get UEFI booting to work.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Once you've booted with UEFI, there should be very little functional difference. If you are having networking issues without UEFI, you are probably going to have them with it.[/QUOTE]

There isn't much about UEFI in my BIOS. There are 3 options that I've fucked around with indefinitely.

I can't have general network issues, because windows works fine. Live sessions with Linux are fine too, it's just when I install it.

It's beyond annoying.

[larikang]

[QUOTE=josm;44163261]I can't have general network issues, because windows works fine. Live sessions with Linux are fine too, it's just when I install it.

It's beyond annoying.[/QUOTE]
What distro? Arch does some automagic network setup in the live media to make installation easier. If you don't do some network config after chrooting you will probably have trouble later.

[josm]

[QUOTE=Larikang;44163671]What distro? Arch does some automagic network setup in the live media to make installation easier. If you don't do some network config after chrooting you will probably have trouble later.[/QUOTE]

Crunchbang, Xubuntu, Manjaro. Haven't tried Arch yet.

Then again, if Manjaro doesn't work I don't think Arch is going to.

[alphaomega325]

Question what is the view of Gentoo and why is it viewed that way? I'm asking because I'm thinking of moving from arch to Gentoo and I would like to know whether or not it is a good idea.

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=alphaomega325;44168644]Question what is the view of Gentoo and why is it viewed that way? I'm asking because I'm thinking of moving from arch to Gentoo and I would like to know whether or not it is a good idea.[/QUOTE]

It's a good idea if that distribution suits your needs. Otherwise it isn't.

[larikang]

[QUOTE=josm;44168387]Crunchbang, Xubuntu, Manjaro. Haven't tried Arch yet.

Then again, if Manjaro doesn't work I don't think Arch is going to.[/QUOTE]
I know nothing of the Manjaro installation, but the advantage of Arch is that since everything is manual you have a lot more opportunities to find out what's going wrong during the install process. The disadvantage is lots of required reading.

[josm]

[QUOTE=Larikang;44170055]I know nothing of the Manjaro installation, but the advantage of Arch is that since everything is manual you have a lot more opportunities to find out what's going wrong during the install process. The disadvantage is lots of required reading.[/QUOTE]

Manjaro is based on Arch you see. So if Manjaro will not work, I'm guessing Arch is not going to either.

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=alphaomega325;44168644]Question what is the view of Gentoo and why is it viewed that way? I'm asking because I'm thinking of moving from arch to Gentoo and I would like to know whether or not it is a good idea.[/QUOTE]

It's only a bad idea if your processor is shit, honestly. It's a very compile-heavy distro.

(it also requires you to have some semblance of an idea what you're doing but since you got Arch to somehow work I'd say you're more than qualified)

[shodan]

[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;44163089]Hey [del]/g/[/del] Facepunch, I currently have a problem with the sound in my laptop and Google yields no helpful results. I'm trying to get sound to play through the speakers in my laptop, but Pulseaudio says that they're unavailable. My headphones work along with the microphone, but just the internal speakers are fucked up.

Here's my asound.conf

# Use PulseAudio by default
pcm.!default {
  type pulse
  fallback "sysdefault"
  hint {
    show on
    description "Default ALSA Output (currently PulseAudio Sound Server)"
  }
}

ctl.!default {
  type pulse
  fallback "sysdefault"
}

# vim:set ft=alsaconf:

Any help? It's all greatly appreciated. I'm running Arch Linux.[/QUOTE]

I think you can just call us /g/ because I would not be supprised if most people in this thread go on /g/

[lavacano]

I use /g/'s FTP sometimes but that's about it

[supervoltage]

I don't browse 4chan at all.

Linux Thread = /g/ - supervoltage

[shodan]

I maintain some /g/ related things, I mod on some of their channels #/g/sicp and I'm a secret mod on #/g/technology and I go on /g/ way too much :/

[Comfy]

/g/ is a nice place, if you ignore some of the shit threads. (like dogecoins)