General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install

[MuThing]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44528167]I put Linux Mint 16 Cinnamon on my laptop. Was this a mistake?[/QUOTE]

Nah, Mint's a pretty solid choice for Linux for almost everyone.

[danharibo]

That depends, do you like Cinnamon?

[Sgt. Napalm]

Seems good to me. I'll play around with KDE and MATE a bit too, though, because I'm not really all that read up on the desktop environments.

[rilez]

I wouldn't suggest Cinnamon. Its a hacked together version of GNOME shell, another popular environment. I like their design ideas, but its buggy and slow, and prone to crashing.

Xfce and MATE offer an experience similar to Cinnamon, but are much more stable. They use GTK2 however, which is an older version of the GTK toolkit. So they might not look as nice as they could.

Xfce and MATE are very similar. If I had to choose, Xfce has better plugins IMO.

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=rilez;44535673]I wouldn't suggest Cinnamon. Its a hacked together version of GNOME shell, another popular environment. I like their design ideas, but its buggy and slow, and prone to crashing.

Xfce and MATE offer an experience similar to Cinnamon, but are much more stable. They use GTK2 however, which is an older version of the GTK toolkit. So they might not look as nice as they could.

Xfce and MATE are very similar. If I had to choose, Xfce has better plugins IMO.[/QUOTE]

I think you'll find that XFCE supports both GTK2 and GTK3.

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=mastersrp;44535928]I think you'll find that XFCE supports both GTK2 and GTK3.[/QUOTE]

[I]supports[/I] GTK3, but most of the apps are still using GTK2.

[rilez]

[QUOTE=mastersrp;44535928]I think you'll find that XFCE supports both GTK2 and GTK3.[/QUOTE]

Xfce itself and AFAIK all of their custom apps run GTK2

Xfwm is also buggy with most recent themes (especially themes with 1px or 0px borders) and last time I used it, put a second title bar on GTK3 applications.

You can run GTK3 apps but they will look bad and nothing will match

[editline]13th April 2014[/editline]

They won't be using GTK3 until 4.14 at the earliest. That's a long, long way off. Considering we've been waiting two years now for 4.12.

[Lyokanthrope]

I wish there were as many nice themes for QT or EFL as there were for GTK...And I wish more apps would use either of those toolkits. They both seem so much better than GTK these days, technically. :v:

[rilez]

Qt from a design standpoint is pretty ugly. EFL could be pretty good, but their default presentation is bad, and at least for their desktop environment, their settings are all over the place. I like some of their apps though. Their terminal emulator is pretty cool.

I think GTK3 is the best compromise between looks and function. You might say it over simplifies things, but that depends more on the developer. Gedit 3.12 I think is the perfect example of how GTK should be used. Lots of options, but in an easy to read way. Makes good use of space, doesn't really waste any.

For cross platform, qt is better. Easier to port. And no one cares about design consistency on Windows. But I think GTK is the best for Linux. Right now, most big GTK3 apps are being made by the guys making GNOME shell. And we all know how indecisive they can be sometimes. You just have to put it in the right hands.

I hope our project will help change a few minds.

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=rilez;44538119]Qt from a design standpoint is pretty ugly. EFL could be pretty good, but their default presentation is bad, and at least for their desktop environment, their settings are all over the place. I like some of their apps though. Their terminal emulator is pretty cool.

I think GTK3 is the best compromise between looks and function. You might say it over simplifies things, but that depends more on the developer. Gedit 3.12 I think is the perfect example of how GTK should be used. Lots of options, but in an easy to read way. Makes good use of space, doesn't really waste any.

For cross platform, qt is better. Easier to port. And no one cares about design consistency on Windows. But I think GTK is the best for Linux. Right now, most big GTK3 apps are being made by the guys making GNOME shell. And we all know how indecisive they can be sometimes. You just have to put it in the right hands.

I hope our project will help change a few minds.[/QUOTE]
Well that's the thing... it's all down to the default presentation.
GTK has the default Adwaita theme, and it's absolutely beautiful.

Qt's default theme on the other hand, looks like something from 2002.

And EFL is just... Weird.
Better than it was but still pretty butt ugly, by default. All 3 toolkits have pretty heavy theming capability (EFL, as far as I know, is the most powerful/complicated), but only GTK gets attention.

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=Lyokanthrope;44541179]Qt's default theme on the other hand, looks like something from 2002. [/QUOTE]

The thing with Qt was it was designed to look like the UI toolkit of whatever OS you were using, with no change to the code that used it. It even includes things like QMessageBox to make it so the buttons for OK/Cancel are in the respective places on each OS without you fucking with it. On Windows, this is perfect, since it looks just like an MS program or something you'd get with some Visual Studio language.

On Linux, I think all they tried to do was make it look better than vanilla Xlib then said "fuck it, let them theme this bastard".

(As an aside, I bet someone ported your favorite GTK theme to Qt somewhere)

[nikomo]

Pushed my Docker image to the repository, the image was smaller than I thought, only took like 7-9 minutes to upload.

docker pull nikomo/ircd-hybrid

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=nikomo;44541793]Pushed my Docker image to the repository, the image was smaller than I thought, only took like 7-9 minutes to upload.

docker pull nikomo/ircd-hybrid

[/QUOTE]

I'll give it a shot in a few minutes, just gotta update my local docker installation.

[nikomo]

New kernels out, rc1 is out and the current mainline and 3.14.1 is out and stable instead of mainline, like 3.14 was

[Darkwater]

Question: If I change the default shell of a user to a node.js application, would anyone be able to execute anything else over ssh? (Ignoring obvious things such as the node.js application allowing to execute stuff.)

[editline]15th April 2014[/editline]

I think the answer is no but I just want to be sure.

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=nikomo;44541793]Pushed my Docker image to the repository, the image was smaller than I thought, only took like 7-9 minutes to upload.

docker pull nikomo/ircd-hybrid

[/QUOTE]

Any particular reason you use ircd-hybrid or did you just go with the first one you thought of

[Vipershark]

I installed Lubuntu 13.10 on an old Panasonic Toughbook CF-27 that I have.

At first, the monitor wasn't correctly supported and the color depth and resolution was all crazy. After dropping down to the command line, I was able to create and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to get the screen onto the correct resolution and color depth. Everything shows up correctly now... except the Terminal.

When I open the terminal it looks like this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yVMwpSg.png[/IMG]

As you can see, there's no title bar (window decorations are turned on for everything else, this seems to be default behavior somehow. It was also doing this before I fixed the monitor issues so I'm not sure if it was related to that), the text is all blurry, and there are no colors. Also the right side of the window is completely screwed up and the terminal itself doesnt refresh when I type so I can only see what I type when the text scrolls.

Is there any way to fix this?

[Anderen2]

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;44546519]Question: If I change the default shell of a user to a node.js application, would anyone be able to execute anything else over ssh? (Ignoring obvious things such as the node.js application allowing to execute stuff.)

[editline]15th April 2014[/editline]

I think the answer is no but I just want to be sure.[/QUOTE]

If with changing the default shell you mean changing the shell in /etc/passwd then no, if there is no way of executing stuff with that node.js application, then it should not be any way of executing anything at all.

[nikomo]

[QUOTE=lavacano;44546590]Any particular reason you use ircd-hybrid or did you just go with the first one you thought of[/QUOTE]

First I thought of, slightly familiar with it, easy config.

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;44546519]Question: If I change the default shell of a user to a node.js application, would anyone be able to execute anything else over ssh? (Ignoring obvious things such as the node.js application allowing to execute stuff.)

[editline]15th April 2014[/editline]

I think the answer is no but I just want to be sure.[/QUOTE]

They can use SFTP to copy files, I think they might be able to do some other stuff through the same way, so you need to disable those for the user.

[Darkwater]

[QUOTE=nikomo;44548920]They can use SFTP to copy files.[/QUOTE]

How? I can't do anything with scp or filezilla.

[nikomo]

I just compiled GCC 4.10. Never again.
The compile itself wasn't bad - the test suite that ran after it was, took fucking forever.

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;44550519]How? I can't do anything with scp or filezilla.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you have the services disabled by default somehow, or you're using something else than OpenSSH.
I'd still make sure the user can't access SFTP with /etc/ssh/sshd_config

[ben1066]

Gtk 3.12 appears to hate i3, or vice versa, the client side decorations get drawn inside of i3's decorations.
[IMG_THUMB]http://i.imgur.com/KgJ7uJo.png[/IMG_THUMB]

[nikomo]

I watched a presentation from one of the guys working on Subsurface (the divelog application Torvalds started).
They used to use Gtk, but migrated to Qt because Gtk is apparently literally Hitler.
The fact that the xconfig .config tool for the kernel also uses Qt makes me think Torvalds agrees with that assessment.

[larikang]

Someone in [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1381509&p=44548029&viewfull=1#post44548029"]WAYWO[/URL] mentioned a hack that basically aliases sudo to steal your password and then get root access. I've heard of similar hacks before but now that I think of it, I have no idea how to protect yourself against that sort of thing.

Sure you could do 'which' before every command or use absolute paths for everything, but what I had in mind was some kind of process that ensures that privilege-elevating commands like sudo and su can't be hijacked. Does such a thing exist?

[nikomo]

This is cool: [url]https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/heartleech[/url]

[url]www.cloudflarechallenge.com[/url]

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Took about 30 seconds to get the private key.

[shodan]

[QUOTE=nikomo;44552066]This is cool: [url]https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/heartleech[/url]

[url]www.cloudflarechallenge.com[/url]

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Took about 30 seconds to get the private key.[/QUOTE]

How did it take 30 seconds for you and I've been at it for 2 hours...

[nikomo]

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44552075]How did it take 30 seconds for you and I've been at it for 2 hours...[/QUOTE]

The memory allocator is funky in OpenSSL.
I just tried it again, stopped running it because I got bored with it.

[Shotz]

So, my nan who plays flash based bingo and checks her banks on her laptop constantly complains how flash keeps crashing and has literally put in the bug reporter box for Firefox "fuck off" when it asks her too.

She has a piece of shit net book running bloated MSI Windows 7 Starter, so I was thinking to at least dual boot a Linux distro on it, thing is, I'm unsure which would be best for a 70 year old grandmother.

So what Distro would be best and most "compatible" for her? I was thinking Mint but I'm unsure how well it will run on that Netbook, should I try MATE instead of Cinnamon if I do go with Mint?

Another lightweight option I had in mind would be Lubuntu but I'm unsure how she'll feel on it.

So what do?

[vlad]

[QUOTE=Shotz;44552551]So, my nan who plays flash based bingo and checks her banks on her laptop constantly complains how flash keeps crashing and has literally put in the bug reporter box for Firefox "fuck off" when it asks her too.

She has a piece of shit net book running bloated MSI Windows 7 Starter, so I was thinking to at least dual boot a Linux distro on it, thing is, I'm unsure which would be best for a 70 year old grandmother.

So what Distro would be best and most "compatible" for her? I was thinking Mint but I'm unsure how well it will run on that Netbook, should I try MATE instead of Cinnamon if I do go with Mint?

Another lightweight option I had in mind would be Lubuntu but I'm unsure how she'll feel on it.

So what do?[/QUOTE]

if you're experienced with linux in general, I'd say Arch, then put something lightweight on it (a dock and openbox)

if not, the light weight alternatives for Ubuntu (xubuntu) would probably be right up her alley

[larikang]

If she literally only uses a web browser then Arch would definitely be best. You could set it up to function very similar to a Chromebook.