General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44787158]And here I just sit in my CentOS camp laughing at all other people. [editline]12th May 2014[/editline] And eating popcorn.[/QUOTE] I sit here with my Linux Mint 16 and cry

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44787219]Gnome didn't learn from the past mistake of the whole women project that they almost went bankrupt over. They are doing it again and they are paying 42 women 5500 each (700 starting money and the rest over two months) for doing nothing. The last time all the project did was waste a ton of money and almost made them bankrupt. The people who participated last time only did three small things; update some docs, greek translations and a small widget in the calendar app for todo's that does not work yet. [url]http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY4NzA[/url] [url]http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100101[/url] If women don't want to get into programming then we should not start programs to lure them in Do you ever see outreach programs to get more male nurses? I'm still waiting for outreach programs to get more women into coal mining, construction, electrician and trash collection etc because of the unequal distribution of genders(99.9% men).[/QUOTE] See the only reason these programs exist is because GNOME's trying to break a cycle - some men believe women can't code, so women don't want do, so some men believe they can't, et cetera. It's not a bad idea in theory, but GNOME's just the wrong project to try and encourage women to code in. It needs to be a FOSS project most of them already use in some capacity, if we're going to encourage a contribution to an existing project at all, and not a lot of people willingly use GNOME as much as, say, ffmpeg.

[QUOTE=lavacano;44790343]See the only reason these programs exist is because GNOME's trying to break a cycle - some men believe women can't code, so women don't want do, so some men believe they can't, et cetera. It's not a bad idea in theory, but GNOME's just the wrong project to try and encourage women to code in. It needs to be a FOSS project most of them already use in some capacity, if we're going to encourage a contribution to an existing project at all, and not a lot of people willingly use GNOME as much as, say, ffmpeg.[/QUOTE] Alternatively, people could start being less assholes and not assume shit like that. There's not really any reason to believe that women can't code, just because the programming subreddits everywhere aren't filled with people yelling out their genders. In all reality, there's probably more than men think.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;44788183]Alternatively, install lxpanel and you've got a super lightweight desktop that has both a window manager with basic compositioning, and a panel system that works pretty much like XFCEs one does, only it is even lighter on resources. This is my setup anyway, and it has served me pretty well these past months I've been using it. [editline]12th May 2014[/editline] lxpanel + openbox, is what i meant, just to avoid confusion. [editline]12th May 2014[/editline] You can even use lxde-session to session management, and still be pretty small. I don't recall openbox having an actual session manager, however both of these kind of do lack the fantastic flexibility you get from using a scripting language for session management.[/QUOTE] To be honest you may as well just use LXDE. LXDE is basically just Openbox with some decent presets and a few GUI tools.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;44791268]Alternatively, people could start being less assholes and not assume shit like that. There's not really any reason to believe that women can't code, just because the programming subreddits everywhere aren't filled with people yelling out their genders. In all reality, there's probably more than men think.[/QUOTE] People are fucking idiots though, they won't stop thinking stupid shit until you shove the evidence against it into their nose. And even then the dumber ones will still believe it.

It's not that the women they hired can't code, I'll bet it's more they're unorganized or confused as to what they can do or what they should be doing.

I still have no idea what the fuck programming has to do with gender, it's not like I slam my dick on the keyboard to write stuff.

I'm not up to date on DEs. I'd hate to ask for recommendations, but what's a good replacement to Cinnamon for a slow slow laptop? Speed and workspaces being what I appreciate.

[QUOTE=Tinter;44795556]I'm not up to date on DEs. I'd hate to ask for recommendations, but what's a good replacement to Cinnamon for a slow slow laptop? Speed and workspaces being what I appreciate.[/QUOTE] AwesomeWM or i3wm if you need space and speed.

There's a kernel-level privilege escalation bug out in the wild right now. Requires that an attacker has access to the box, so shared hosting is pretty much fucked. Kernel in Arch is patched, so go update. Don't know about other distributions, but I'm guessing they're not far behind.

[QUOTE=nikomo;44794986]I still have no idea what the fuck programming has to do with gender, it's not like I slam my dick on the keyboard to write stuff.[/QUOTE] Wait so you don't program by slamming your dick against the keyboard!? My entire life as been a lie! But seriously though I never see any discrimination against female programmers except on reddit. That is the main reason why I dislike going there. [editline]13th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=nikomo;44795676]There's a kernel-level privilege escalation bug out in the wild right now. Requires that an attacker has access to the box, so shared hosting is pretty much fucked. Kernel in Arch is patched, so go update. Don't know about other distributions, but I'm guessing they're not far behind.[/QUOTE] link to the exploit? [editline]13th May 2014[/editline] is the mainline kernel safe?

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44796609]Wait so you don't program by slamming your dick against the keyboard!? My entire life as been a lie! But seriously though I never see any discrimination against female programmers except on reddit. That is the main reason why I dislike going there. [editline]13th May 2014[/editline] link to the exploit? [editline]13th May 2014[/editline] is the mainline kernel safe?[/QUOTE] I believe he's refering to this: [URL]https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0196[/URL] [editline]13th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Tinter;44795556]I'm not up to date on DEs. I'd hate to ask for recommendations, but what's a good replacement to Cinnamon for a slow slow laptop? Speed and workspaces being what I appreciate.[/QUOTE] For a Cinnamon replacement (I'm guessing you want it to be somewhat like Cinnamon) I'd go with either MATE or LXDE. Both are very friendly with resources, LXDE being the friendlier one of the two. It can be customized somewhat to your taste, and doesn't require a lot of fidling around. My personal setup is the default SliTaz one, with different theming, and it's somewhat alike. Although the start menu you can probably get in most panels with "mint-menu" or "mint-matemenu" or something along those lines, depending on your distribution. [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5579836/Pic/scrots/2014-05-13-131346_1366x768_scrot.png[/t]

[QUOTE=nikomo;44795676]There's a kernel-level privilege escalation bug out in the wild right now. Requires that an attacker has access to the box, so shared hosting is pretty much fucked. Kernel in Arch is patched, so go update. Don't know about other distributions, but I'm guessing they're not far behind.[/QUOTE] Link to Arch's patch?

[QUOTE=lavacano;44799474]Link to Arch's patch?[/QUOTE] [url]https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/linux&id=6be263f1dfd1deb20b81a3d0f6b53a0508e66523[/url]

[QUOTE=nikomo;44799922][url]https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/linux&id=6be263f1dfd1deb20b81a3d0f6b53a0508e66523[/url][/QUOTE] Thank you. [url=https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2014-0196]While it looks like the Gentoo guys are already on top of things[/url], I'm using ck-sources and I didn't want to wait for the guy who maintains it to update it.

[QUOTE=nikomo;44794986]I still have no idea what the fuck programming has to do with gender, it's not like I slam my dick on the keyboard to write stuff.[/QUOTE] I'm a guy so I can't speak on behalf of women, but I can give my observations about getting new people involved in things. If you have a workplace that is almost entirely white males, you will NOT get diversity by simply saying "Well, minorities and women need to step up" and call it a day. All that attitude gets is reinforcing the status quo. You are saying you like things just fine as they are and have no desire to see things change. In programming, if the goal is to get more women involved then someone needs to step up and make it happen. It can't be women alone since they don't control the environment. If it's men from the CEO all the way down in control of the operation, it's unreasonable to think individual women are the ones who can change it. People on the inside need to be the ones to reach out and bring women in. In short, if it's a boy's club then it's on the members of that boy's club to open their doors and welcome others, not on the others to somehow figure out how to get in that door on their own when they have no reason to believe they'll even be accepted if they somehow make it. I don't know anything about that Gnome outreach deal but I can say that the fact it exists is in itself a positive. It means someone, somewhere is trying to do something. That's a good first step.

Should people put effort in balancing the genders/races in the first place? Say you have a workplace of 100 white men, what should be prioritized, bringing in women or African-Americans? Would this choice, implicitly or explicitly, be racist and/or sexist? This really reminds me of those [url=http://www.11points.com/Misc/11_Photos_Where_Black_People_Were_Awkwardly_Photoshopped_In_or_Out]advertising images[/url] with pictures of white men that were photoshopped to have more interracial people in them. I think the focus should be more on equal opportunity than equal representation of everything.

If you want to run for equality, you need to do it at the educational level. It's pointless to try and recruit female programmers if there aren't any, and the ones that do exist, suck. Look at the GNOME program, they sunk basically every dollar that GNOME had into the program, and all they got was some documentation and a program that doesn't even work yet.

[QUOTE=FPtje;44804614]Should people put effort in balancing the genders/races in the first place? Say you have a workplace of 100 white men, what should be prioritized, bringing in women or African-Americans? Would this choice, implicitly or explicitly, be racist and/or sexist? This really reminds me of those [url=http://www.11points.com/Misc/11_Photos_Where_Black_People_Were_Awkwardly_Photoshopped_In_or_Out]advertising images[/url] with pictures of white men that were photoshopped to have more interracial people in them. I think the focus should be more on equal opportunity than equal representation of everything.[/QUOTE] I still think this is the most important thing. Don't hire people of various genders and ethnicities just for the hell of it. Get people in that are GOOD at what they do, regardless of gender and so on so forth. It doesn't matter if you're an African-American black, single mom, with aspergers, or a Swedish white 23-year old male with a PhD in certain fields of computer science. If you're shit at what you do, stop doing it. If you're good at what you do, get hired.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;44805369]I still think this is the most important thing. Don't hire people of various genders and ethnicities just for the hell of it. Get people in that are GOOD at what they do, regardless of gender and so on so forth. It doesn't matter if you're an African-American black, single mom, with aspergers, or a Swedish white 23-year old male with a PhD in certain fields of computer science. If you're shit at what you do, stop doing it. If you're good at what you do, get hired.[/QUOTE] But the entire programming industry is a white male circlejerk It seems like a lot of people actively try to [I]not[/I] get anyone else in the industry, and if there are next to no women then people accept that as "the way things are", but it's absurd to assume that an area that has no logical reason for a gender bias (As you said, it doesn't matter what or who you are if you can do your job) would have one. I'm assuming this is at least partially caused by non-white-males simply not being hired for bullshit reasons. (Like how in the US, apparently, if your name 'sounds black' you're less likely to get hired for a lot of jobs)

Indirectly Related to GNU/Linux, but it still affects it and the Free Software Aspect: [url]https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/05/14/drm-and-the-challenge-of-serving-users/[/url] It's not really reassuring to know that Mozilla swallowed the cock.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44809246]Indirectly Related to GNU/Linux, but it still affects it and the Free Software Aspect: [url]https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/05/14/drm-and-the-challenge-of-serving-users/[/url] It's not really reassuring to know that Mozilla swallowed the cock.[/QUOTE] Time to fork Firefox. I'll call it Librefox. [editline]14th May 2014[/editline] I would not be surprised if the Fedoraproject made a fork and removed the origional firefox. Making it so that the "real" firefox is only accessible through rpmfusion-free

So can we consider Firefox non-free software now? Especially since it endorses the use of proprietary software.

How well could I trick someone to think that I'm using OSX, but really using elementary os?

If you look at the GNU philosophy *kinda* I think I should email rms

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44809538]Time to fork Firefox. I'll call it Librefox. [editline]14th May 2014[/editline] I would not be surprised if the Fedoraproject made a fork and removed the origional firefox. Making it so that the "real" firefox is only accessible through rpmfusion-free[/QUOTE] Did you mean GNU IceCat?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44809715]So can we consider Firefox non-free software now? Especially since it endorses the use of proprietary software.[/QUOTE] Did you even read the announcements? Firefox is still free software, it just has a hole in it and the ability to download something to fill that hole from Adobe. It's not like Mozilla are corrupted, this is essential. I also have a suspicion that thanks to their sandbox, recording the DRM won't be that hard either.

It reads more like it's going to ship with a closed source plugin made by Adobe which the user can remove and/or the distribution can separate into another package with no damage to the browser.

[QUOTE=Jookia;44810463]Did you even read the announcements? Firefox is still free software, it just has a hole in it and the ability to download something to fill that hole from Adobe. It's not like Mozilla are corrupted, this is essential. I also have a suspicion that thanks to their sandbox, recording the DRM won't be that hard either.[/QUOTE] Yes, I have read the article. Mozilla just sugarcoated the entire article to hide the fact that they stood back from their stance to prevent official DRM in their browser. And now that this has been done, Thanks to them, EME Can now become a full standard in the HTML5 specification, without any browser developer standing in the way. This means the Open Web just got proprietary Components in it, and thus can't be considered Open anymore. In the future whats holding back other big corps from pushing other closed-source binary blobs onto Mozilla? Now that Mozilla has Started Officially providing Closed source Binary blobs in their software, Even if it's just an optional download, other big companies can basically force mozilla to make them officially add their binary blobs aswell. This is bad news, considering Mozilla stepped back from their main goal to support an open web, in order to appease to Big companies.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44813446]Yes, I have read the article. Mozilla just sugarcoated the entire article to hide the fact that they stood back from their stance to prevent official DRM in their browser. And now that this has been done, Thanks to them, EME Can now become a full standard in the HTML5 specification, without any browser developer standing in the way. This means the Open Web just got proprietary Components in it, and thus can't be considered Open anymore. In the future whats holding back other big corps from pushing other closed-source binary blobs onto Mozilla? Now that Mozilla has Started Officially providing Closed source Binary blobs in their software, Even if it's just an optional download, other big companies can basically force mozilla to make them officially add their binary blobs aswell. This is bad news, considering Mozilla stepped back from their main goal to support an open web, in order to appease to Big companies.[/QUOTE] We already knew from the start though that Hollywood was going to force their Digital Rights Molestation on us one way or other whether Mozilla backed us up or not. It was just a matter of time. At least we're closer to ditching Flash for good now.