General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=lavacano;44813564]We already knew from the start though that Hollywood was going to force their Digital Rights Molestation on us one way or other whether Mozilla backed us up or not. It was just a matter of time. At least we're closer to ditching Flash for good now.[/QUOTE] One Problem gets replaced by another. If they Want to DRM a video, fine. I'm just gonna record my screen with A screen recorder. DRM bypassed with a simple tool.

[QUOTE=Jookia;44810463]Did you even read the announcements? Firefox is still free software, it just has a hole in it and the ability to download something to fill that hole from Adobe. It's not like Mozilla are corrupted, this is essential. I also have a suspicion that thanks to their sandbox, recording the DRM won't be that hard either.[/QUOTE] The main issue I have with the DRM is the fact that websites WILL be able to get an unique user ID and use that. Just imagine an unique browser/user id that websites can request at any time and will remain consistent. Don't you think advertisers will abuse the everliving fuck out of this? No more need for cookies they'll just take that ID and track you anywhere on the internet without cookies (or permission if you live in the EU, not like they ever follow that law). This will do more harm to user privacy then it will to the system because it's DRM. Imagine someone going on TOR and being tracked all the way from the point where they google for the software till the sites they visit on tor and then back on the clear web. This will be catastrophic for privacy.

I wonder if Mozilla will have to change Firefox's license. I can imagine they got around that by making download the blob when it's needed. [editline]15th May 2014[/editline] And the UUID stuff really feels like a kick in the nuts.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44813446]Mozilla just sugarcoated the entire article to hide the fact that they stood back from their stance to prevent official DRM in their browser.[/QUOTE] What would you do? Become useless? [QUOTE=kaukassus;44813446]And now that this has been done, Thanks to them, EME Can now become a full standard in the HTML5 specification, without any browser developer standing in the way.[/QUOTE] It's a useless standard and just makes it easier not to have giant plug-ins. [QUOTE=kaukassus;44813446]This means the Open Web just got proprietary Components in it, and thus can't be considered Open anymore.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure the places that use the DRM are already proprietary. [QUOTE=kaukassus;44813446]In the future whats holding back other big corps from pushing other closed-source binary blobs onto Mozilla? Now that Mozilla has Started Officially providing Closed source Binary blobs in their software, Even if it's just an optional download, other big companies can basically force mozilla to make them officially add their binary blobs aswell.[/QUOTE] No they can't? Mozilla fights for freedom and wouldn't allow it without extreme justification. [QUOTE=kaukassus;44813446]This is bad news, considering Mozilla stepped back from their main goal to support an open web, in order to appease to Big companies.[/QUOTE] The only reason you care so much is because you believe in Mozilla, and you should. Would you rather have no Mozilla or a Mozilla that made a compromise [b]on its own terms[/b]? [QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44813874]The main issue I have with the DRM is the fact that websites WILL be able to get an unique user ID and use that. Just imagine an unique browser/user id that websites can request at any time and will remain consistent. Don't you think advertisers will abuse the everliving fuck out of this? No more need for cookies they'll just take that ID and track you anywhere on the internet without cookies (or permission if you live in the EU, not like they ever follow that law). This will do more harm to user privacy then it will to the system because it's DRM. Imagine someone going on TOR and being tracked all the way from the point where they google for the software till the sites they visit on tor and then back on the clear web. This will be catastrophic for privacy.[/QUOTE] From what I've read, the unique IDs are specified by the sandbox, which is open source and I assume configurable. [QUOTE=kaukassus;44814291]I wonder if Mozilla will have to change Firefox's license. I can imagine they got around that by making download the blob when it's needed.[/QUOTE] Their license already allows proprietary code to be linked, do you even know what you're talking about?

[QUOTE=Jookia;44814403] From what I've read, the unique IDs are specified by the sandbox, which is open source and I assume configurable. [/QUOTE] The ID is static and generated by the closed source software made by Adobe. It doesn't matter if it's in a sandbox or not. It's still a static key that can identify the browser across networks etc and can be requested at any time. Ofcourse you can say "Well then don't enable the DRM". But most people woulnd't do this because they want to watch netflix etc and they don't want/know how to disable the DRM. Or maybe you forget to disable it after watching netflix etc.

[quote] Their license already allows proprietary code to be linked, do you even know what you're talking about? [/quote] I have forgotten that Firefox uses the MPL license, so you have a valid reason to call me dumb here. [quote] The only reason you care so much is because you believe in Mozilla, and you should. Would you rather have no Mozilla or a Mozilla that made a compromise [b]on its own terms[/b]? [/quote] Personally, yes I believe in Mozilla. This decision left me hanging a bit, but I'm gonna wait until more informations about the implementation of this DRM goes public. Especially about the UID Stuff and other things that come with it. I personally believe that the implementation of the DRM could be a lot worse. It's good to know that it's only installed on demand when it's really needed. [quote] From what I've read, the unique IDs are specified by the sandbox, which is open source and I assume configurable. [/quote] The answer from Mega1mpact pretty much sums it up. However I do hope that there will be a way to somehow generate a new UID each time a service demands access to the DRM binary, or make it possible to outright block the transmission of the UID. [quote] It's a useless standard and just makes it easier not to have giant plug-ins. [/quote] Personally I have split opinions on the EME Specification. Part of me hopes that trough this, Companies abandon Flash/Silverlight for HTML5 + EME, and I can enjoy things that use it on GNU/Linux. And on the other side It's a specification that has no place in an open web. I need to actually wake up and get another coffee and fully look over the situation.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44814637] However I do hope that there will be a way to somehow generate a new UID each time a service demands access to the DRM binary, or make it possible to outright block the transmission of the UID.[/QUOTE] I would love to see something like a popup by firefox that says that domain X is requesting access to the unique user ID and that you can either allow or deny it or make it generate a new UID for that domain. This would make sure that the user has control over the whole unique ID thing and makes it hard for trackers etc to obtain this ID. Ofcourse subdomain wildcards can be requested. Stuff like "*.netflix.com would like to read your Private User ID. [Deny] [Allow \/]->[Generate a new key for this domain] [Select a key]"

I'm just gonna put this here: [url]https://fsf.org/news/fsf-condemns-partnership-between-mozilla-and-adobe-to-support-digital-restrictions-management[/url] And this: [url]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/05/mozilla-and-drm[/url]

Man I miss Linux, I really should start using it again. Any recommendations for a distro?

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;44816159]Man I miss Linux, I really should start using it again. Any recommendations for a distro?[/QUOTE] Fedora

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;44816159]Man I miss Linux, I really should start using it again. Any recommendations for a distro?[/QUOTE] Just pick like 10 from Distrowatch and shit your pants daily. Or, what do you want to use Linux for?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44813446] In the future whats holding back other big corps from pushing other closed-source binary blobs onto Mozilla? Now that Mozilla has Started Officially providing Closed source Binary blobs in their software, Even if it's just an optional download, other big companies can basically force mozilla to make them officially add their binary blobs aswell. [/QUOTE] It's up the users to force big companies to discourage the use of DRM in their products. A majority of them will install whatever is needed to watch Netflix or whatever, which includes a different browser if Firefox won't play the content. If less people use Firefox, the big companies can start pushing more closed source software with even less resistance.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;44816227]Just pick like 10 from Distrowatch and shit your pants daily. Or, what do you want to use Linux for?[/QUOTE] I just enjoy tinkering with my system yet I'm not nearly smart enough for Arch.

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;44817575]I just enjoy tinkering with my system yet I'm not nearly smart enough for Arch.[/QUOTE] you don't need to be smart for arch you just need a lot of time

I spent 2 days thinking about how I wanted my Arch laptop, a few hours doing the initial setup and after that, it's been continuous improvement whilst I use my laptop.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44814429]The ID is static and generated by the closed source software made by Adobe. It doesn't matter if it's in a sandbox or not. It's still a static key that can identify the browser across networks etc and can be requested at any time.[/QUOTE] That's impossible. It's in the sandbox, it has no entropy to generate a key unique to the user. The only details it has on the user is what the sandbox gives them. Have you guys read [url]https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-mission-and-w3c-eme/[/url] ?

[QUOTE=Jookia;44818437]That's impossible. It's in the sandbox, it has no entropy to generate a key unique to the user. The only details it has on the user is what the sandbox gives them. Have you guys read [url]https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-mission-and-w3c-eme/[/url] ?[/QUOTE] [quote] By contrast, in Firefox the sandbox prohibits the CDM from fingerprinting the user’s device. Instead, the CDM asks the sandbox to supply a per-device unique identifier. This sandbox-generated unique identifier allows the CDM to bind content to a single device as the content industry insists on, but it does so without revealing additional information about the user or the user’s device. In addition, we vary this unique identifier per site (each site is presented a different device identifier) to make it more difficult to track users across sites with this identifier. [/quote] I may be a bit confused here, but doesen't that mean that a site can still identify who I am if I connect to the site trough TOR for example, if I have visited the site before? They say the UID is per site.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44818534]I may be a bit confused here, but doesen't that mean that a site can still identify who I am if I connect to the site trough TOR for example, if I have visited the site before? They say the UID is per site.[/QUOTE] Sure, yeah. But cookies can already do that. Javascript can fingerprint much easier, Flash and Java leak your external IP from what I know, there's tons of bigger problems when it comes to sharing a browser with Tor and without a proxy.

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;44817575]I just enjoy tinkering with my system yet I'm not nearly smart enough for Arch.[/QUOTE] There's a slight misconception about Arch here, and the fact is that it really just requires lots of reading and lots of time. For those that don't have that, and still want to tinker with their system, I have to ask: Do you require high quality x264 encoded video and video games? If not, go with SliTaz right this fucking instant. That's probably the easiest customizable system TO DATE. And it takes up literally no space. Not true, the base installation with a full desktop environment, a web browser, and some simple tools, is about 160MB. However, installing additional software should really be somewhat of a breeze, as LibreOffice and Skype are available as well. What you might want to take note of is that audio is ALSA only, no pulseaudio. However, if you DO want those features, I'm sorry to bring bad news. If you want to tinker with your system, it'll take lots of reading and lots of time, regardless of distribution. SlITaz is the simplest one to go with, but it lacks much functionality that many come to expect from Linux systems these days, so I'd probably just go with using elementaryOS or Archbang, or some other Arch derivative (elementaryOS being an Ubuntu derivative), then running some sort of easily tinkered system in a VM where you can hack the shit out of everything, wreck havoc, learn stuff, and then finally implement it as a breeze on your live host OS.

Arch really isn't that hard. My install, with minimal knowledge of Linux, and nothing other than the Arch Wiki, took about a day. If you can write to a USB and copy lines from a Wiki, you can install Arch. Now finding useful packages might be hard, if you don't know what you're looking for. I'm still updating my list here: [URL]https://github.com/rilezfp/keystone[/URL] [editline]15th May 2014[/editline] Don't follow my "install guide" unless your system is like mine, that's really just for my personal use

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44818534]I may be a bit confused here, but doesen't that mean that a site can still identify who I am if I connect to the site trough TOR for example, if I have visited the site before? They say the UID is per site.[/QUOTE] Chances are if you're not using a separate browser profile for Tor you're one of those guys who never turns Tor off.

I'm having a problem with Steam for Linux. When I have it on or when I'm downloading Steam games, occassionally the Internet connection slows down to a crawl and current requests and such stall for a really long time, meaning that when accessing websites it often hangs at "looking up site.com" for a really long time and any currently ongoing downloads halt completely. I thought it was a problem with the WLAN USB adapter I'm using, but since I can access the router's control panel just fine, I've been wondering if it's a problem with the router itself. I don't have this problem with my laptop which runs both Linux and Windows and the Windows version of Steam. Is there any way I could check which one is causing the problem? I tried using Wireshark but all I could figure out was that the amount of packets per second crawled down to as low as 5-10 packets per second when this problem occurs. I'm using the Asus USB-N13 WLAN adapter (rtl8192cu chipset using [URL="https://github.com/dz0ny/rt8192cu"]this driver[/URL]) and ZyXEL P-660HW-D1 router (which I've always hated, so I would be glad if I had a good reason to get rid of it).

[QUOTE=Matoking;44822320]I'm having a problem with Steam for Linux. When I have it on or when I'm downloading Steam games, occassionally the Internet connection slows down to a crawl and current requests and such stall for a really long time, meaning that when accessing websites it often hangs at "looking up site.com" for a really long time and any currently ongoing downloads halt completely. I thought it was a problem with the WLAN USB adapter I'm using, but since I can access the router's control panel just fine, I've been wondering if it's a problem with the router itself. I don't have this problem with my laptop which runs both Linux and Windows and the Windows version of Steam. Is there any way I could check which one is causing the problem? I tried using Wireshark but all I could figure out was that the amount of packets per second crawled down to as low as 5-10 packets per second when this problem occurs. I'm using the Asus USB-N13 WLAN adapter (rtl8192cu chipset using [URL="https://github.com/dz0ny/rt8192cu"]this driver[/URL]) and ZyXEL P-660HW-D1 router (which I've always hated, so I would be glad if I had a good reason to get rid of it).[/QUOTE] Might be time to get a new router any way if you have any modern wireless devices, 802.11g is now two generations old with 802.11ac starting to become fairly common. Personally I'd recommend anything that'll run OpenWRT though the options for 802.11ac and OpenWRT are limited, there are some good 802.11n options. I use a TL-1043ND which has 802.11n and gigabit ethernet but requires an external modem. The adaptor your using does support 802.11n so you would probably notice an improvement if you have any other devices on the network.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;44813595]One Problem gets replaced by another. If they Want to DRM a video, fine. I'm just gonna record my screen with A screen recorder. DRM bypassed with a simple tool.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Same happens with Netflix. Watching one of their original series on a streaming site and you see the player controls show up at the start/end of the show. [editline]16th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Matoking;44822320]I'm having a problem with Steam for Linux. When I have it on or when I'm downloading Steam games, occassionally the Internet connection slows down to a crawl and current requests and such stall for a really long time, meaning that when accessing websites it often hangs at "looking up site.com" for a really long time and any currently ongoing downloads halt completely. I thought it was a problem with the WLAN USB adapter I'm using, but since I can access the router's control panel just fine, I've been wondering if it's a problem with the router itself. I don't have this problem with my laptop which runs both Linux and Windows and the Windows version of Steam. Is there any way I could check which one is causing the problem? I tried using Wireshark but all I could figure out was that the amount of packets per second crawled down to as low as 5-10 packets per second when this problem occurs. I'm using the Asus USB-N13 WLAN adapter (rtl8192cu chipset using [URL="https://github.com/dz0ny/rt8192cu"]this driver[/URL]) and ZyXEL P-660HW-D1 router (which I've always hated, so I would be glad if I had a good reason to get rid of it).[/QUOTE] I remember having an issue with that chipset (RTL8188CUS which is basically the RTL8192cu) and USB support. Sometimes I couldn't even connect to Wifi at all. I think there's some proprietary Linux driver you can get from Realtek's website that fixed it. Definitely recommend just getting a decent TP-Link wireless PCI-E adapter though. Got the WDN4800 and it works flawlessly with Windows, Linux and even Hackintosh.

So I'm once again having the same problems I had like a year ago, and stil have no idea how to solve them. 1) Gnome doesn't detect when it's charging. Acpi knows the adaptor is plugged in (the /sys/class/power_supply/AC0/online contains a 1 and doing acpi -a says it's online) but the gnome power manager says im running on battery power 2) After putting my laptop to sleep the screen no longer turns on 3) Can't change brightness with function keys. I'm running arch with the latest kernel and gnome version, I also added the "acpi_os=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor" lines to my kernel paramiters so that I could change my screen brightness. Anyone have any idea what could be causing this/how to fix it?

[QUOTE=sabreman;44828691]So I'm once again having the same problems I had like a year ago, and stil have no idea how to solve them. 1) Gnome doesn't detect when it's charging. Acpi knows the adaptor is plugged in (the /sys/class/power_supply/AC0/online contains a 1 and doing acpi -a says it's online) but the gnome power manager says im running on battery power 2) After putting my laptop to sleep the screen no longer turns on 3) Can't change brightness with function keys. I'm running arch with the latest kernel and gnome version, I also added the "acpi_os=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor" lines to my kernel paramiters so that I could change my screen brightness. Anyone have any idea what could be causing this/how to fix it?[/QUOTE] For number 2 you might need to just press the power button lightly (that's what happened to me). Are any lights on the outside of your laptop blinking when you put it to sleep? For the other two questions we are going to need some specific hardware info.

are the nvidia drivers any good for Linux in comparison with AMD's drivers?

Depends on what you want. Open source Nvidia are fine for 2D, shit for 3D. Closed source are fine for both

[QUOTE=neos300;44832232]For number 2 you might need to just press the power button lightly (that's what happened to me). Are any lights on the outside of your laptop blinking when you put it to sleep? For the other two questions we are going to need some specific hardware info.[/QUOTE] All the lights are on as if the laptop actually woke up, it's just the screen stays dead. In fact, I can blindly switch to tty2, log in, and reboot it. I remeber a long time ago, when I first installed ubuntu on it, I had the same problem. I *think* I solved it by switching to the open source ATI drivers, however, I'm currently using them so idk.

[QUOTE=PredGD;44832553]are the nvidia drivers any good for Linux in comparison with AMD's drivers?[/QUOTE] I've personally never had issues with either manufacturer's closed source drivers, but unlike fglrx, I've never heard anyone complain about Nvidia's drivers. Well, except Linus. They don't really play well with kernel developers. But for end-users, there don't seem to be any problems.