General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;45082393]I know I'm 100% alone on this but I like PulseAudio and have never had any major issues with it.[/QUOTE] Had that only been my experience with Pulse, I'd have had the same opinion.

Be it ALSA or PulseAudio, fixing sound problems remains one of the most difficult tasks on Linux.

I've never had issues with either ALSA or PulseAudio, really. I feel lucky. (but I haven't really used Linux for..almost a year now.)

[QUOTE=Larikang;45083237]Be it ALSA or PulseAudio, fixing sound problems remains one of the most difficult tasks on Linux.[/QUOTE] The thing is, as much as this is true, if this happens to you on windows, and your sound card is unsupported or something, or drivers are a bit old, you're just shit out of luck completely and won't ever hear anything from that card ever again. On Linux, while it may be a bitch, it's fixable. Always.

Fuck windows. Seriously. I was playing an awesome game of CSGO after having been teamed up with russians for the last 5 games. Windows started minimising the game and giving me a full screen "Fuck you restart now! [ok] [cancel]". There was no button that allowed me to make it wait for ~2 hours. When the 2nd half started it started spamming even more! We were finally winning and the FUCKING SECOND I was planting the bomb windows went "lol fuck you" and rebooted. After it rebooted it started installing the well known never ending updates. I know that that shit takes hours so I couldn't rejoin the game. I'm pretty sure I now have a 2-7 day ban on CSGO (I ragequit a couple of times before because fuck russians) because of fucking windows. I can't check the length of my ban because I'm currently at work. I almost never boot into windows (only when I want to play csgo or when I'm at work). I don't even understand how people put up with shit like that.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;45090609]Fuck windows. Seriously. I was playing an awesome game of CSGO after having been teamed up with russians for the last 5 games. Windows started minimising the game and giving me a full screen "Fuck you restart now! [ok] [cancel]". There was no button that allowed me to make it wait for ~2 hours. When the 2nd half started it started spamming even more! We were finally winning and the FUCKING SECOND I was planting the bomb windows went "lol fuck you" and rebooted. After it rebooted it started installing the well known never ending updates. I know that that shit takes hours so I couldn't rejoin the game. I'm pretty sure I now have a 2-7 day ban on CSGO (I ragequit a couple of times before because fuck russians) because of fucking windows. I can't check the length of my ban because I'm currently at work. I almost never boot into windows (only when I want to play csgo or when I'm at work). I don't even understand how people put up with shit like that.[/QUOTE] You have to do a regedit to disable that, but I agree, it's ridiculous that it forces you to reboot.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;45090609]Fuck windows. Seriously. I was playing an awesome game of CSGO after having been teamed up with russians for the last 5 games. Windows started minimising the game and giving me a full screen "Fuck you restart now! [ok] [cancel]". There was no button that allowed me to make it wait for ~2 hours. When the 2nd half started it started spamming even more! We were finally winning and the FUCKING SECOND I was planting the bomb windows went "lol fuck you" and rebooted. After it rebooted it started installing the well known never ending updates. I know that that shit takes hours so I couldn't rejoin the game. I'm pretty sure I now have a 2-7 day ban on CSGO (I ragequit a couple of times before because fuck russians) because of fucking windows. I can't check the length of my ban because I'm currently at work. I almost never boot into windows (only when I want to play csgo or when I'm at work). I don't even understand how people put up with shit like that.[/QUOTE] Windows 8 in my experience handles it much better by default. It will wait a few days to reboot or until the next time you shut down. So you don't even notice it doing updates except for the text in the login screen that says "Your PC will restart for updates in X days". Which is no problem, unless you run your PC 24/7.

[QUOTE=Demache;45092078]Windows 8 in my experience handles it much better by default. It will wait a few days to reboot or until the next time you shut down. So you don't even notice it doing updates except for the text in the login screen that says "Your PC will restart for updates in X days". Which is no problem, unless you run your PC 24/7.[/QUOTE] Windows 8 seems more/less naggy depending on what the updates were. For general updates that have minor fixes and such, it'll give you a couple days. For important security updates, it'll start nagging you to restart immediately.

Just had a talk with the guy behind Bedrock Linux (minimal distro that uses chroot and bind mounts to basically host several other distributions like Arch, Debian and Fedora, on one machine, at the same time, with no virtualization etc). Apparently at one point he mounted a remote system with sshfs, and used that as a client - he was basically running a remote system's OS and binaries, on his local machine, through the network. Fucking brilliant.

[QUOTE=deadeye536;45092235]Windows 8 seems more/less naggy depending on what the updates were. For general updates that have minor fixes and such, it'll give you a couple days. For important security updates, it'll start nagging you to restart immediately.[/QUOTE] I never had that pop up. It always waits for me.

After nearly a decade, I think we can all appreciate the direction Ubuntu went. [t]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z_ZTQMsuTk8/U5t7NsXrHHI/AAAAAAAAC1o/4zKEqY8WrKU/s0/2014-06-13_23-29-07.png[/t] I might make a comparison video between this and 14.10 when it comes out.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;45080039]It's a pure linux port from a windows game without any (wine) wrappers. This is really uncommon. Ofcourse it's not going to be optimized the first try. The developers are requesting feedback so future linux games can be made better. I sadly don't have the money for civ5 right now I'd love to try it though.[/QUOTE] OH MY FUCKING GOD I'M SO MUCH CLOSER TO DITCHING WINDOWS NOW EEEEEEEE [QUOTE=supervoltage;45081577]Pulseaudio is drunk as shit, lemme tell you why: I connected both my speakers and headphones to the same sound card via different ports (Front for headphones, Surround for my speakers). Now, the problems: 1. When I attempt to mute the headphones, every single audio channel gets muted. 2. When I lower the volume of the headphones to 0%, it automatically mutes, muting everything along with it. 3. The volume slider of the Front channel modifies the Master channel as well, it's like they're locked together. I kinda fixed it slightly by doing the following routine: I lower the volume for my headphones all the way down. Then I issue the following command: [code]pacmd set-sink-mute alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-surround-40 0[/code] It unmutes every channel, but the Front channel is still at 0%. pavucontrol reports that the Master channel is at 9% volume, but it feels like it's at the value it was at before modifying the Front volume (100%). Now, the problem. As soon as any other program starts making sound, pulseaudio suddenly goes like "oh shit, master is at 9% - better set it now" and the volume changes. Pulseaudio isn't a program, it's a fucking virus. A psychological one.[/QUOTE] This is the first time I've ever heard of a sound chipset that didn't force the back jacks to be muted if something was in the headphone jack [editline]13th June 2014[/editline] duuuuuuuude civ 4 got ported too that's both of the best civ games

[QUOTE=lavacano;45098718]This is the first time I've ever heard of a sound chipset that didn't force the back jacks to be muted if something was in the headphone jack[/QUOTE] On my computer, at least, the muting is done via the driver.

I guess Civ 4's port is only planned right now, because I just tried to download it and all I got was an empty directory :v:

Set up a home server on an old atom netbook I snagged from work last year. Then I found out it doesn't support wake on lan :/ Guess I can still suspend it. [img]http://puu.sh/9sVom/e3a4d4f206.png[/img] I'm also finding everything runs faster in ssh, no idea why, is the netbook having trouble rendering the terminal or something?

[QUOTE=reevezy67;45100910]Set up a home server on an old atom netbook I snagged from work last year. Then I found out it doesn't support wake on lan :/ Guess I can still suspend it. [img]http://puu.sh/9sVom/e3a4d4f206.png[/img] I'm also finding everything runs faster in ssh, no idea why, is the netbook having trouble rendering the terminal or something?[/QUOTE] I've noticed slower systems with weak GPU's render the terminal very slowly compared the SSH. Though, I've only really noticed this on REALLY old systems, like my Pentium II with a Ati Rage IIC. That Atom should be fairly capable for text mode.

I feel retarded for failing to install Arch using the AUI.

Don't be. Scripts aren't bound to work on things like Arch. You probably have some hardware that requires special attention.

yeah, like I posted in sipwicket too. I've never had the exact same install process on two different hardware configurations. I always have to hunt down new issues if I have new hardware generally.

why not just install a distro that just works and does not require you to hunt down issues all day long if you just want to install it? :v:

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;45104910]why not just install a distro that just works and does not require you to hunt down issues all day long if you just want to install it? :v:[/QUOTE] they're generally small issues which are solved by a quick google though, and I don't often replace my hardware either so it's not really that big of a problem for me wouldn't want to give up pacman either, hnng

[QUOTE=PredGD;45104947] wouldn't want to give up pacman either, hnng[/QUOTE] Manjaro Manjaro with different repo setting if you want to stay as bleeding edge as arch itself.

[QUOTE=FPtje;45105032]Manjaro Manjaro with different repo setting if you want to stay as bleeding edge as arch itself.[/QUOTE] How can I change the settings? I used Manjaro before and I adored it.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;45104910]why not just install a distro that just works and does not require you to hunt down issues all day long if you just want to install it? :v:[/QUOTE] You won't properly understand the system you're running if you do that, you'll usually end up with seriously old packages, and you might not have Pacman in whatever other distro you would pick. But, if everything goes right, I might be running Bedrock Linux in a few weeks, and I'll be getting the advantages of Arch, and some of the advantages you can get from Debian.

[QUOTE=nikomo;45105237]You won't properly understand the system you're running if you do that, you'll usually end up with seriously old packages, and you might not have Pacman in whatever other distro you would pick. But, if everything goes right, I might be running Bedrock Linux in a few weeks, and I'll be getting the advantages of Arch, and some of the advantages you can get from Debian.[/QUOTE] I understand my system. I just don't want to configure stuff if it can be done by an automated installer. I just don't get the point of setting everything up by hand etc if you can just automate it.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;45105255]I understand my system. I just don't want to configure stuff if it can be done by an automated installer. I just don't get the point of setting everything up by hand etc if you can just automate it.[/QUOTE] I actually find it incredibly enjoyable to manually configure everything, gives me a sense of accomplishment and feels more "mine" :v: and as nikomo said too, I feel it gives a much better overlook of whats going on with the system. if I had installed ubuntu or anything similar like that, I would probably have been digging around to figure out whats installed etc and heavily stripping it down. don't have to do that with Arch since I'm the one in charge there.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;45105255]I understand my system. I just don't want to configure stuff if it can be done by an automated installer. I just don't get the point of setting everything up by hand etc if you can just automate it.[/QUOTE] What modules are you statically building into your initramfs? Do you have FUSE built into your initramfs? What are your Synaptics settings for your mouse or touchpad? Is the audio driver module for your sound card being mounted in Pulseaudio with any special settings? You can find out that information on other distributions, but you'll already know the answers without any searching when you run Arch, because you set the options. It's not for everyone, but I kinda like it.

I just know what packages are installed etc and how my distro (fedora) works, etc, etc I honestly don't want to waste time configuring everything

So, what you're saying is, you understand your system, except for the parts that you don't understand, which is the vast majority of it. Not sure what you're trying to prove by saying you understand your system - I sure as hell don't fully understand my setup, I just have a better understanding of it, and you can still use it without understanding it.

ofcourse nobody understands how everything works in a fully functional GNU/Linux system. The thing I'm trying to say is that I understand enough about how the sytem works, what it's structure is, what services are running etc. I don't want to mess with configs, videocard drivers, audio drivers, xorg etc etc etc. I don't have the time for that kind of shit. I don't understand why anyone would have time for doing that kind of stuff especially since pretty much all of it can be automated.