General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=nikomo;45389983]I've ran a VM on an AMD E450 with 4GB of RAM.
A Windows VM.

It wasn't pretty, but it worked well enough, long enough.

Could also do filesystem snapshots, [b]or a straight-up dd backup before you go ruining your system.[/b]
This is Linux, after all, not Windows, we have tools for pretty much everything.[/QUOTE]

One of the reasons I love using Linux on an SD card is that the ENTIRE device can be dd'd to a file. Even better, I can do that, and use zpaq to add the backup to a backup archive using some journaling and compression for a smaller file size in the end.
Then, when it's all backed up, you can just dd the first 1M or so of the drive (I usually zero it all out but that's pretty much wasting writes all across the board), then smack another system on there.
The neat thing about it is that your computer can just contain a relatively large harddrive with just /home on it, (and in my case also a recovery Linux system in case I fuck things up real bad, or need an intermediate system if I've broken all boot systems), and then the SD card(s) can have any Linux system(s) on it/them, and you'll be able to do whatever the fuck.
The SD card I'm using is a 16GB microSD with SDHC adapter, class 10, so I can use it pretty much anywhere. It's also neat because if I ever get my hands on, say, a ARM A9 tablet of some sort, I could hook up a dock to it so it'd work like my netbook, and use the same kind of system on the tablet as I would on ARM A9 developer boards (like the Parallella-16).

[nikomo]

If I can figure out a way to carry an SD card safely with me, I might seriously just run some distro from an SD card.
All cards stick out of the card reader on my laptop, sigh. I wish someone made one of those super-short microSD-to-SD adapters things that are designed for the RPi, but a little bigger, so it would work with laptop.

Hmm. Or maybe the RPi one would work with my laptop. I need measurements.

[Lyokanthrope]

oh so Plasma 5 came out today, cool
Now to wait forever for it to get into Arch repos

[vlad]

I'm slightly curious about the new KDE, but it never stuck with me. how customizeable is it?

[Lyokanthrope]

KDE has always been super customizable, but the default theme and layout is just gaudy. Luckily, you can just install Qtcurve + a theme for it, a custom colour scheme, use a custom set of icons and remove some useless widgets and you're good. :v:

[nikomo]

[QUOTE=Lyokanthrope;45401648]oh so Plasma 5 came out today, cool
Now to wait forever for it to get into Arch repos[/QUOTE]

Wait forever, Arch
Pick one

At least it's not Debian-slow.

[Lyokanthrope]

New DE versions often take forever to get into Arch repos in my experience, I have no idea why.

[editline]15th July 2014[/editline]

(Forever compared to other things, I mean)

[nikomo]

GNOME 3.12 took about 12 hours to hit the unofficial repo, and it took like, a few days to hit testing, so it's not too bad.
Plasma 5.0 is an alpha/beta/unstable release though, so it's not recommended for daily usage, they've focused on getting the core functionality working.

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=nikomo;45401023]If I can figure out a way to carry an SD card safely with me, I might seriously just run some distro from an SD card.
All cards stick out of the card reader on my laptop, sigh. I wish someone made one of those super-short microSD-to-SD adapters things that are designed for the RPi, but a little bigger, so it would work with laptop.

Hmm. Or maybe the RPi one would work with my laptop. I need measurements.[/QUOTE]

My netbook has one of those card readers that sits inside, where you just slide it in and it clicks in place. When you need to remove it from the card reader, you just press it in once and let go, and when it makes the click noice again, it can be removed easily.

I thought most laptops and netbooks came with this exact design though? I mean, I've even seen certain laptops have this but for 2.5'' harddrives/readers/SATA-compatible devices.

[Flaming Spaz]

[QUOTE=mastersrp;45405506]My netbook has one of those card readers that sits inside, where you just slide it in and it clicks in place. When you need to remove it from the card reader, you just press it in once and let go, and when it makes the click noice again, it can be removed easily.

I thought most laptops and netbooks came with this exact design though? I mean, I've even seen certain laptops have this but for 2.5'' harddrives/readers/SATA-compatible devices.[/QUOTE]

Some Chromebooks and MBAs have slots that don't lock in and only go in about 15mm.

[nikomo]

Mine locks in, just slightly worried about the "getting it out" part if it's a non-standard size, since I don't fully know how the mechanism works.
I hate those kinds of card slots - there's a few smartphones now where the SIM slot is actually a tray that slides out of the phone, and in the case of the Nexus 5, the mechanism doesn't work if you close the tray without a SIM in it, so you can't open it. You have to fuck around with a piece of plastic in order to get it open again.

[FPtje]

Welp my XPS 15 arrived yesterday. I just installed Manjaro on it.

There' s two things it isn't good at yet:
- High DPI displays (I've got a 15 inch 3200x1800 screen). Shit is [I]small[/I]
- Multitouch screens. it acts like it's a normal mouse.

I just installed cinnamon. The menus are readable, but everything else isn't.

[mastersrp]

[QUOTE=FPtje;45427584]Welp my XPS 15 arrived yesterday. I just installed Manjaro on it.

There' s two things it isn't good at yet:
- High DPI displays (I've got a 15 inch 3200x1800 screen). Shit is [I]small[/I]
- Multitouch screens. it acts like it's a normal mouse.

I just installed cinnamon. The menus are readable, but everything else isn't.[/QUOTE]

If you smack Ubuntu 14.04 on it, it should work really really well with both multitouch and high DPI displays. I mean Unity should.
However, as for XFCE and Cinnamon, they're still working on full high DPI functionality it seems.

[MuThing]

Anyone know how I can get xvkbd to load up alongside SliM?

[FPtje]

I'm an idiot and I keep posting in the wrong thread.
LOOK AT HOW [I]tiny[/I]

Old laptop:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/hAMdk0Y.jpg[/t]

XPS 15:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/0aipZo6.jpg[/t]

Both are 15''.
I'm comparing 1366x768 with 3200x1800 here.

[Goz3rr]

how do i into dependencies:

goz3rr@newton:~$ uname -a
  Linux newton 2.6.32-042stab090.5 #1 SMP Sat Jun 21 00:15:09 MSK 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
goz3rr@newton:~$ sudo dpkg -i skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb
[sudo] password for goz3rr:
Selecting previously unselected package skype.
(Reading database ... 52492 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking skype (from skype.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of skype:
 skype depends on libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3).
 skype depends on libqt4-network (>= 4:4.8.0).
 skype depends on libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.5.3).
 skype depends on libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1).
 skype depends on libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.8.0).
 skype depends on libqtwebkit4 (>= 2.1.0~2011week13).
 skype depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1); however:
  Package libstdc++6:i386 is not installed.
 skype depends on libasound2-plugins; however:

dpkg: error processing skype (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
 skype

goz3rr@newton:~$ sudo aptitude install
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libgphoto2-l10n libgtk-3-bin libpam-ck-connector libsane-extras-common:i386 sendmail-doc sensible-mda
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libnet-daemon-perl{u} libplrpc-perl{u} libsane-extras-common{a}
The following partially installed packages will be configured:
  skype:i386{b}
0 packages upgraded, 6 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 1055 kB/1938 kB of archives. After unpacking 3148 kB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 skype:i386 : Depends: libqt4-dbus:i386 (>= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed.
              Depends: libqt4-network:i386 (>= 4:4.8.0) but it is not going to be installed.
              Depends: libqt4-xml:i386 (>= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed.
              Depends: libqtcore4:i386 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1) but it is not going to be installed.
              Depends: libqtgui4:i386 (>= 4:4.8.0) but it is not going to be installed.
              Depends: libqtwebkit4:i386 (>= 2.1.0~2011week13) but it is not going to be installed.
              Depends: libstdc++6:i386 (>= 4.2.1) but it is not going to be installed.
              Depends: libasound2-plugins:i386 but it is not going to be installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

     Remove the following packages:
1)     skype:i386

When rejecting that fix it will suggest to remove a bunch of packages:

      Remove the following packages:
1)      gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
2)      gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
3)      hhvm
4)      libasound2-plugins
5)      libavcodec53
6)      libavformat53
7)      libavutil51
8)      libjack-jackd2-0
9)      liblcms1
10)     libmng1
11)     libpostproc52
12)     libqtgui4
13)     libqtwebkit4
14)     libswscale2

-- a whole bunch of packages to be installed --

      Downgrade the following packages:
62)     libstdc++6 [4.8.0-4ubuntu1 (<NULL>, now) -> 4.7.2-5 (stable)]

      Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
63)     libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 recommends gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
64)     libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 recommends gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
65)     libqtgui4:i386 recommends libcups2:i386
66)     libxml2:i386 recommends xml-core:i386

And while most of these don't really mean anything to me, it also wants to remove HHVM which i'd like to keep. Is there anything i can do to run HHVM and Skype at the same time? It seems to me the problem is HHVM requires libstdc++6 while Skype requires libstdc++6:i386

[vlad]

reminds me of dependency spaghettis I've had issues with on my debian VPS. I have no clue how it happens, but even when not adding any other sources, I generally run into dependency issues after a while. it's as if apt-get just keeps tossing stuff on top of a foundation without reinforcing it to take into account the new stuff that has been added. eventually it just collapses on itself, forcing me to reinstall it if I want to install something new

[shodan]

Do any of you guys know how to compile/get the latest version of mono/monodevelop of fedora? The depchain is a clusterfuck of orphaned stuff and mono won't compile without having mono installed :v:

[Ol' Pie]

[QUOTE=FPtje;45429808]I'm an idiot and I keep posting in the wrong thread.
LOOK AT HOW [I]tiny[/I]

Old laptop:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/hAMdk0Y.jpg[/t]

XPS 15:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/0aipZo6.jpg[/t]

Both are 15''.
I'm comparing 1366x768 with 3200x1800 here.[/QUOTE]

Hey it's me but in HD

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=Goz3rr;45436764]how do i into dependencies:
[/QUOTE]

try flat out telling aptitude to install those packages and see what it bitches about

[editline]19th July 2014[/editline]

because libstdc++6 and libstdc++6:i386 should be able to be installed together if one's the 32 bit lib and one's the 64 bit lib

[Comfy]

[QUOTE=lavacano;45439033]try flat out telling aptitude to install those packages and see what it bitches about

[editline]19th July 2014[/editline]

because libstdc++6 and libstdc++6:i386 should be able to be installed together if one's the 32 bit lib and one's the 64 bit lib[/QUOTE]

libstdc++6:i386 aparently is in conflict with libstdc++6 and thus apt wouldn't want to install it.

[lavacano]

fucking debian

how does it work

[Goz3rr]

[QUOTE=lavacano;45439033]try flat out telling aptitude to install those packages and see what it bitches about

[editline]19th July 2014[/editline]

because libstdc++6 and libstdc++6:i386 should be able to be installed together if one's the 32 bit lib and one's the 64 bit lib[/QUOTE]

libstdc++6 : Breaks: libstdc++6:i386 (!= 4.8.0-4ubuntu1) but 4.7.2-5 is to be installed.
libstdc++6:i386 : Breaks: libstdc++6 (!= 4.7.2-5) but 4.8.0-4ubuntu1 is installed.

[ph:lxyz]

libstdc++ breakage normally means reinstall time.

[shodan]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/87yjw6b.png[/img]

[highlight]WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!?[/highlight]

It look a full day to fix the dependecy hell

[nikomo]

[QUOTE=lavacano;45439713]fucking debian

how does it work[/QUOTE]

dpkg --add-architecture i386

That's how, they changed how multiarch support is handled.
Should work after that and apt-get update.

[Goz3rr]

[QUOTE=nikomo;45441100]

dpkg --add-architecture i386

That's how, they changed how multiarch support is handled.
Should work after that and apt-get update.[/QUOTE]

already had that

[lavacano]

guys how did i accidentally make part of my wine build tree owned by root

i only sudo for make install so it wasn't that

[esalaka]

[QUOTE=lavacano;45449081]guys how did i accidentally make part of my wine build tree owned by root

i only sudo for make install so it wasn't that[/QUOTE]

Maybe make install touches something it's not supposed to?

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=esalaka;45449106]Maybe make install touches something it's not supposed to?[/QUOTE]

that was my first thought too, then i realized it was only occuring in the 32 bit build

the 64 bit build didn't have this problem