General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=isnipeu;46515932]What's the best FTP server with a GUI for a debian server?[/QUOTE] People using GUIs for Linux servers still crack me up. Just do [code]apt-get install ftpd[/code] it allows anyone with an account on the system to log in using FTP and the starting directory will be their home directory.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;46516678]People using GUIs for Linux servers still crack me up. Just do [code]apt-get install ftpd[/code] it allows anyone with an account on the system to log in using FTP and the starting directory will be their home directory.[/QUOTE] What's so bad about with using GUI on a server? If it doesn't impact on performance and makes things easier then what's the issue?

Except they impact performance, and make things harder.

[QUOTE=isnipeu;46516724]What's so bad about with using GUI on a server? If it doesn't impact on performance and makes things easier then what's the issue?[/QUOTE] Linux server software is not designed to be managed using a GUI. ever.

[QUOTE=nikomo;46516729]Except they impact performance, and make things harder.[/QUOTE] How would it make things harder?

CUPS has a web interface and it's the main interface, but that's about it. [editline]18th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=isnipeu;46516761]How would it make things harder?[/QUOTE] Because the GUI tools aren't maintained, since everyone uses the command line tools, so the GUI stuff is 8+ years out-of-date, so they either don't work, or they look like they work, and they mangle the configuration.

[QUOTE=isnipeu;46516724]What's so bad about with using GUI on a server? If it doesn't impact on performance and makes things easier then what's the issue?[/QUOTE] Working with a GUI to configure something is a huge pain in the ass. in a GUI you have to click trough menus and find your option(s). Typing in a bunch of terminal commands may seem complicated at first, but after a while it feels so much better. Automation is also a nightmare when you are bound to a GUI. For example, when you have to apply something to X machines, you could just put all commands in a small shell script and execute that on all machines. boom done. As for the performance aspect. Running a GUI on a *Nix Server is generally a no-go. There are some exception to this rule, but for 99% of all cases, a GUI is simply not needed.

Most administration GUI systems should, in my opinion anyway, probably do things the SliTaz way, that is to write a graphical frontend for one or more system commands and simply execute those, instead of implementing everything in a mangled and hacky way.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;46516768]Working with a GUI to configure something is a huge pain in the ass. in a GUI you have to click trough menus and find your option(s). Typing in a bunch of terminal commands may seem complicated at first, but after a while it feels so much better.[/QUOTE] Having to find what commands you have to do and remembering how to use it is more annoying than finding where an option is in a GUI, if it's harder to use a GUI then that just shows how shit the program is.

[QUOTE=isnipeu;46515932]What's the best FTP server with a GUI for a debian server?[/QUOTE] * GUI * Linux * Good Welcome to Linux. Pick two.

[QUOTE=isnipeu;46516808]Having to find what commands you have to do and remembering how to use it is more annoying than finding where an option is in a GUI, if it's harder to use a GUI then that just shows how shit the program is.[/QUOTE] From a Dev perspective, a console program is so much easier to write than a GUI application. In a console program you can get straight to work, and focus on the problem at hand. in a GUI program, you have to first design a non-insane GUI layout, pick a GUI toolkit, worry about dependencies, etc... it just makes the whole thing a lot more complicated, and gives barely any benefits to the target audience. Why develop a GUI Application for a Server software, when there are barely any *Nix Servers with a GUI environment at all.

[QUOTE=lavacano;46512707]If I remember right, red is kernel usage. Turn on display of kernel processes maybe?[/QUOTE] you learn something new everyday, always thought red meant heavy utilization. seems to be kworker hogging up my CPU. dived into it and did some googling, and apparently there was some interrupt stuff going on. no idea what that entails, but what fixed it for me was to disable an interrupt thing that was crazy high, /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe66. it's different for everybody apparently which one of these hogs stuff, but this was the one for me. not sure if it's a good idea or not to disable it since it's set on for a reason, right? what is this guys job anyway and why does it hog so much? at least my issue is resolved, and my CPU now properly scales down its speed since it's not being utilized so much.

Every other time I update Arch on my media PC, HDMI output breaks. Disabling HDMI audio fixes it, but then I can't use it with the TV, which sort of defeats the point. I've tried a 3450, 4770 and now a 5870, and they all have the same problem. HDMI audio breaks randomly when I update. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm using the open source drivers BTW.

So, when I saw discussion about using GUI and Linux got invoked- does web panel like CUPS have is also counted as using "GUI"? I mostly using Linux as a hobby, but got that problem that last time I tried to install Mantis Bug Tracker. I have no previous experience with recommended stuff for it, but installed PHP 5, Apache, unpacked Mantis as recommended, and when I tried do more stuff, I faced "access denied" and you "have no permission" errors. So I gave up with fighting, cheering myself that at least I see "It works!".

[QUOTE=Terb;46549331]So, when I saw discussion about using GUI and Linux got invoked- does web panel like CUPS have is also counted as using "GUI"? [/QUOTE] Pretty much. A website, local or remote, follow the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93view%E2%80%93controller]model-view-controller[/url] GUI pattern (JS/PHP/Anything similar for the model, CSS for the view, and HTML for the controller). As such, it's technically a GUI when you need to click on things rather than punch in a command with arguments. Even command line interfaces done with the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ncurses]ncurses[/url] library can be considered GUI instead of CLI.

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;46549750]Pretty much. A website, local or remote, follow the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93view%E2%80%93controller]model-view-controller[/url] GUI pattern (JS/PHP/Anything similar for the model, CSS for the view, and HTML for the controller). As such, it's technically a GUI when you need to click on things rather than punch in a command with arguments. Even command line interfaces done with the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ncurses]ncurses[/url] library can be considered GUI instead of CLI.[/QUOTE] I would define a CLI as an interface where you actually have to type out commands to do things, and a GUI as an interface where you can select options by using the mouse, navigating with arrow keys, or something similar.

Stuff like ncurses is wrapped under the term TUI - text-based user interface. It's a close relative of the CLI, since it's run in, well, you know, the CLI.

[QUOTE=nikomo;46549863]Stuff like ncurses is wrapped under the term TUI - text-based user interface. It's a close relative of the CLI, since it's run in, well, you know, the CLI.[/QUOTE] It's run in a terminal, but it's not really a [B]command-line[/B] interface, nor does it really have a relation with CLI. [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] Just my opinion, anyway

[QUOTE=nikomo;46549863]Stuff like ncurses is wrapped under the term TUI - text-based user interface. It's a close relative of the CLI, since it's run in, well, you know, the CLI.[/QUOTE] holy crap it has it's own term that makes things way easier

Uhh... are you feeling ok dolphin? [img]http://i.imgur.com/ODYk95a.png[/img]

I got a 750 TI for $30 more than that so fuck it :v: [editline]25th November 2014[/editline] Supposedly the open source drivers for AMD GPUs are better than Catalyst these days as far as stability:performance ratio

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;46573815]Are AMD GPU's still fucking atrocious to run on Linux or will it be relatively painless? [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129297&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10487648&PID=1800524&SID=[/url] This is tempting[/QUOTE] I can't speak for the newest generation of AMD cards, but anything up to the Rx cards and you're in for a really good time. Probably goes for the Rx cards since they're somewhat based on some of the existing technologies. As for the card you elected to post, the HD8550M-HD8790M cards seem to be using similar technologies, and the firmware is ready to go in the kernel as far as I can tell. I don't know what issues you've ever had with AMD GPUs though, the open source drivers have almost always worked, except when the 7xxx series came out. That took a while to get supported, but now it runs better on Linux than on Windows in certain cases, and about the same in all other cases.

Is it possible to create a Linux gateway machine and have it limit bandwidth for certain IP's? Say we have three machines and a Linux gateway machine, and we want the first machine to be limited to 200 kB/s download, second machine 600 kB/s download and the third machine to 1 MB/s download. How would one go about it?

[IMG]http://i.gyazo.com/67ca3fcbb772dcd2b87795cc7e1cd6e0.png[/IMG] tux paint the fucking bomb

hello. i installed linux mint because a friend told me to on my usb to test it out, and i kinda like it is there anything else i should do/know. is this distro bad, etc.

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;46583404]hello. i installed linux mint because a friend told me to on my usb to test it out, and i kinda like it is there anything else i should do/know. is this distro bad, etc.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't say there's anything wrong with Mint. It gets the job done more or less, you got packages, et cetera, and it can run better than Windows. Heck, I managed a GNOME3 setup a year ago that used a third of the memory Windows 7 (with any bloatware uninstalled). You'll do fine. But like I always recommend to fresh meat, you may want to get a grep with your shell. Breaking things and ricing is one way to learn more about what you're using. [editline]Turn back while you still can, lest you fall to the way of the neckbeard. I knew some pals who dabbled in this stuff a while ago, now they run FreeBSD.[/editline] Argh. Now I'm conflicted on what WM I prefer. I like [i]herbstluftwm[/i] and a few other tools since it allows me to be fast and keyboard-centric, but I also like [i]rio[/i] / [i]9wm[/i] since it's almost true minimalsm in function, but involves the mouse more and doesn't really have an easy way to script things to happen on launch. And then there's [i]rio[/i]'s sweet cursor I've taken a liking to (but still doesn't work on anything GTK, always that white arrow no matter how it's set). [t]http://i.imgur.com/wf25p59.png[/t] [i]Ironically, minimalists would prefer a Macintosh.[/i]

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;46583606]Wouldn't say there's anything wrong with Mint. It gets the job done more or less, you got packages, et cetera, and it can run better than Windows. Heck, I managed a GNOME3 setup a year ago that used a third of the memory Windows 7 (with any bloatware uninstalled). You'll do fine. But like I always recommend to fresh meat, you may want to get a grep with your shell. Breaking things and ricing is one way to learn more about what you're using. [editline]Turn back while you still can, lest you fall to the way of the neckbeard. I knew some pals who dabbled in this stuff a while ago, now they run FreeBSD.[/editline] Argh. Now I'm conflicted on what WM I prefer. I like [i]herbstluftwm[/i] and a few other tools since it allows me to be fast and keyboard-centric, but I also like [i]rio[/i] / [i]9wm[/i] since it's almost true minimalsm in function, but involves the mouse more and doesn't really have an easy way to script things to happen on launch. And then there's [i]rio[/i]'s sweet cursor I've taken a liking to (but still doesn't work on anything GTK, always that white arrow no matter how it's set). [t]http://i.imgur.com/wf25p59.png[/t] [i]Ironically, minimalists would prefer a Macintosh.[/i][/QUOTE] If you want the ultimate minimalism and flexibility, dwm is always sitting in the background for anyone who dare use it.

Goodbye handbrake-gtk2 package =( handbrake 0.10.0 now requires gtk3

Honestly, compiling your own version of x264 is usually a better idea

...huh? [code][ 1278.779951] scsi 12:0:0:0: CD-ROM HTC Android Phone 0000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [ 1278.782143] sr 12:0:0:0: [sr0] scsi-1 drive [ 1278.782209] sr 12:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0[/code] I don't think a CD is going to fit anywhere.