General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=esalaka;40791294]Use Mint instead of Ubuntu (Though this is obviously a personal opinion)[/QUOTE] Seriously, I don't understand this being a general opinion. I've been using 12.10 then 13.04 for i think more or less 4-5 months and I'm perfectly fine. With other distros I don't feel the same way and eventually I end up installing Ubuntu. I would understand if, for instance, you like arch linux over ubuntu, because they're very different, but using Mint instead of Ubuntu is a bit dumb, because it's generally the same, just with another DE.

Cinnamon isn't that much better than Unity. MATE is ok at best honestly. Xubuntu is what I would put above the other derivatives if you want a fully fledged DE, just go with Debian Jessie if you want a minimal debian distribution.

[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;40791479]Seriously, I don't understand this being a general opinion. I've been using 12.10 then 13.04 for i think more or less 4-5 months and I'm perfectly fine. With other distros I don't feel the same way and eventually I end up installing Ubuntu. I would understand if, for instance, you like arch linux over ubuntu, because they're very different, but using Mint instead of Ubuntu is a bit dumb, because it's generally the same, [b]just with another DE.[/b][/QUOTE] Thats exactly why people prefer Mint over ubuntu. Many people don't like unity, and switch to a distro that ships with a DE they like.

KDE supremacy etc. etc.

Cinnamon Cool guy race.

[QUOTE=esalaka;40791294]Use Mint instead of Ubuntu (Though this is obviously a personal opinion)[/QUOTE] Forgot to mention I'm using mint.

[QUOTE=smileykiller447;40792352]Forgot to mention I'm using mint.[/QUOTE] Next step, Arch. To be honest, there isn't much to know about the different distros. In the end they all have nearly the same functionality, just different looks. Arch differs from all this though as you'll be in charge of everything. I'm still struggling to figure out certain things myself, so I wouldn't recommend it yet at least.

[QUOTE=PredGD;40792385]Next step, Arch. To be honest, there isn't much to know about the different distros. In the end they all have nearly the same functionality, just different looks. Arch differs from all this though as you'll be in charge of everything. I'm still struggling to figure out certain things myself, so I wouldn't recommend it yet at least.[/QUOTE] Huh I thought that was gentoo.

[QUOTE=smileykiller447;40792352]Forgot to mention I'm using mint.[/QUOTE] The Mint search pages and such can all be changed back to others. Another thing with Ubuntu based distros is that Firefox is a bit out of date, if you want to grab the latest version of Firefox beta you can run these commands in a terminal (I assume there's a UI for it somewhere but this is probably quicker): [code] $ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get install firefox [/code] Then just restart firefox and you'll be right up to date.

[QUOTE=smileykiller447;40792443]Huh I thought that was gentoo.[/QUOTE] In Gentoo you are required to compile, install, and configure all of the software your self by downloading the sources from their repos or another repo of your choice. In Arch you are only required to install and configure the software from the Arch repos which significantly lowers the work load and time to building a working system.

Huh that is interesting, also I love how in windows 7 I am not allowed to use the side of my touchpad for scrolling, yet I can do it here in Mint.

Exactly the opposite for me. :v: I can scroll using my touchpad in Windows but not in either Ubuntu, Mint or Arch. :v:

Did you install xf86-input-synaptics?

Sound doesn't work for me with i3wm on Ubuntu 13.04, but it does in Unity. Any ideas?

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;40793331]Sound doesn't work for me with i3wm on Ubuntu 13.04, but it does in Unity. Any ideas?[/QUOTE] Is pulseaudio getting started?

[QUOTE=IpHa;40793293]Did you install xf86-input-synaptics?[/QUOTE] Yup.

[QUOTE=IpHa;40793380]Is pulseaudio getting started?[/QUOTE] [code] 22:46:51 dark@dark-laptop:~ $ ps aux | grep pulse dark 13371 2.3 0.0 165216 7948 ? S<l 12:07 15:11 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog [/code] I guess, yeah [editline]26th May 2013[/editline] [code] May 26 13:16:37 dark-laptop pulseaudio[13371]: [alsa-source] asyncq.c: q overrun, queuing locally May 26 13:17:02 pulseaudio[13371]: last message repeated 10 times ... May 26 22:22:48 dark-laptop pulseaudio[28642]: [pulseaudio] client-conf-x11.c: xcb_connection_has_error() returned true May 26 22:22:48 dark-laptop pulseaudio[28645]: [pulseaudio] bluetooth-util.c: org.bluez.Manager.GetProperties() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.253" (uid=117 pid=28645 comm="/usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog ") interface="org.bluez.Manager" member="GetProperties" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="org.bluez" (uid=0 pid=935 comm="/usr/sbin/bluetoothd ") May 26 22:22:48 dark-laptop pulseaudio[28645]: [pulseaudio] server-lookup.c: Unable to contact D-Bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: //bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified May 26 22:22:48 dark-laptop pulseaudio[28645]: [pulseaudio] server-lookup.c: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. May 26 22:22:48 dark-laptop pulseaudio[28645]: [pulseaudio] main.c: Unable to contact D-Bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: //bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified May 26 22:22:48 dark-laptop pulseaudio[28645]: [pulseaudio] main.c: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. [/code] Found this in the syslog. I think the second part is from when I installed MPD.

[QUOTE=PredGD;40792385]Next step, Arch. To be honest, there isn't much to know about the different distros. In the end they all have nearly the same functionality, just different looks. Arch differs from all this though as you'll be in charge of everything. I'm still struggling to figure out certain things myself, so I wouldn't recommend it yet at least.[/QUOTE] Even though I know a thing or two about Linux, I use Mint. The reason why is because I want to do little about maintenance. I want it to boot and work, which is exactly what Mint does. Sure I'll customize it to hell, but only when I have the time to do so. Arch is actually my previous step. Arch was great in customization, I did spend a lot of time in tweaking it. However, there would be updates pretty much every time I booted my laptop. Being the perfectionist that I am, I felt I had to install them immediately. This led to shit breaking at times at [b]really[/b] bad times (like the day before an assignment is due or something). This got me raging mad about Arch. The idea alone that you have to check an external website to see whether an update will fuck up your installation is despicable to me. Arch is difficult; it has got bleeding edge updates and nice configuration options, but the bleeding edge is one of a knife that stabs you in the back when you're not paying enough attention, and you'll get your own bloody scalpel to surgically fix your installation. I don't have time for that.

[QUOTE=FPtje;40793635]The idea alone that you have to check an external website to see whether an update will fuck up your installation is despicable to me.[/QUOTE] You could just write an utility to show you the latest Arch update news from the CLI, though.

You could say that I'm still blinded by the "Arch greatness" when it comes to customization and being in control. I can understand that it can be hesitating and it all depends on what a person likes. Simplicity, or constant "maintenance". I'd choose simplicity in the long run. Still not sure if I'll thrive with Arch, but after getting it all to work makes me feel good on the inside.

An example of why you might not want to use Arch is that a bit ago I rebooted my computer to find that /bin/systemd had ceased to exist. I spent roughly half an hour looking for it and found that it now (And presumably earlier as well) resided in /usr/lib/systemd/systemd The weird part is, I'd never noticed there being a notice about this, even though it probably was moved ages ago.

Unless you need bleeding edge software, there isn't really any point in using arch over a minimal debian or ubuntu install imo [editline]26th May 2013[/editline] I don't know enough about RHEL based distributions to comment on those

I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm confused as to how to uninstall programs and applications that haven't been added through the software center and were added through the terminal. [code]sudo apt-get remove[/code] Doesn't work properly, if anyone could help that would be great.

apt-get remove should uninstall the application, that's weird. Do you want a full removal? try sudo apt-get purge <application> [editline]26th May 2013[/editline] Synaptics works if you really don't know what to do, just search for the package.

If I installed something with a .run wouldn't I just do this after navigating to the directory it's in? [code]sudo apt-get remove name.run[/code]

Ohh, if it was a .run doing [code]sudo /dir/file.run --uninstall[/code] should work [editline]26th May 2013[/editline] If you installed from a deb, just use synaptics, apt or "dpkg --remove packagename"

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40794304]Unless you need bleeding edge software, there isn't really any point in using arch over a minimal debian or ubuntu install imo[/QUOTE] Rather, there isn't any necessity in using Arch. Actually, everyone is better off not using Arch. But using Arch is fun.

[QUOTE=esalaka;40794370]Rather, there isn't any necessity in using Arch. Actually, everyone is better off not using Arch. But using Arch is fun.[/QUOTE] That's actually a fair point, if you have everything backed up somewhere, messing up badly is always a learning experience.

I have no idea where to find Synaptics, using super then searching doesn't show anything and I can't find it in the software center either. So I'm assuming I need to add the source and then get it through the center? I'm not sure where to obtain the source though.

Reason I'm using Arch (as of now) must be the feeling of using a "true" linux system. Most likely poorly worded from my side, but it really feels like I'm using linux to its full extent by using Arch, which gives me this fuzzy warm feeling inside of me when I accomplish something with it.