General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

Does his avatar animate? Doesn't it work on chrome or something?

Having to take a day to install an OS on first go is awful

pacman is fucking stupid at times though I had to remove my fucking GPU drivers and almost every application to get rid of Wayland (which I wanted to try because the latency generated by Xorg is fucking horrid, but wayland isnt quite there yet), just because it had created some dependency hell where wayland for some reason depended on every graphics library installed, which in turn had every application on the system relying on those, and those libraries in turn relied on mesa, which for some reason would rely on my GPU drivers Theres probably a solution to it but the documentation is worse than UNIX age man pages

You could force the removes if you know you don't actually depend on it. [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Squerl101;41112293]Do you actually have a Raspberry Pi?[/QUOTE] And no I don't (not at the moment at least). I'm shopping around for something to use as a host for my irc sessions, a tiny music media server, and a few other things. It looks like i'll be getting a beagle bone black unless I find something better.

According to the documentation, there is no such thing as a force remove

[QUOTE=Tobba;41121130]According to the documentation, there is no such thing as a force remove[/QUOTE] [code]pacman -Rdd[/code]

To be fair this one is easy to miss with a quick search, it's listed under "Transaction Options" rather than "Remove Options".

... why would you even Its like if people are actually trying to create a UNIX esque hell Single character flags, with an arbitrary character of course, right next to the key you actually want, with the most destructive of results Documentation that lists force as a separate option on update, but for removes its under "transaction options" I wonder where this has happened before

[QUOTE=Killervalon;41114151]You can optionally run Ubuntu Gnome[/QUOTE] I don't like Gnome as for now. Maybe it's the future of desktop UI... but I am not ready D: And already installed 12.04.2. Well, everything running just fine, except I dunno what videodriver to choose: Xorg, or proprietary one...

Gnome Shell is not bad, but it still has a long way to go. Would be good, if they would re-add the option to change the GTK+ themes without having to install some packages that allows you to do so.

[QUOTE=DrAkcel;41123049]I don't like Gnome as for now. Maybe it's the future of desktop UI... but I am not ready D: And already installed 12.04.2. Well, everything running just fine, except I dunno what videodriver to choose: Xorg, or proprietary one...[/QUOTE]Xorg is the general system for displaying windows on Linux, it's not a driver. nouveau or "ATI" are the open source ones, but if you want to play games, the open source drivers are pretty awful at doing so. If you aren't going to be using 3D acceleration, then the open source ones are better.

oh god I need to learn how to use git Does anyone here use it a lot that could help me out a bit with something?

[QUOTE=Lyoko774;41123722]oh god I need to learn how to use git Does anyone here use it a lot that could help me out a bit with something?[/QUOTE] [url]http://try.github.io/levels/1/challenges/1[/url]

[QUOTE=Lyoko774;41123722]oh god I need to learn how to use git Does anyone here use it a lot that could help me out a bit with something?[/QUOTE] RabbitVCS Git-cola git-gui

Just forked a bash imgur upload script from GitHub and modified it to use scrot rather than having to input a file name manually. [url]https://github.com/benbristow/imgscrotr[/url] Nice easy way to take screenshots!

[QUOTE=PredGD;41120317]Does his avatar animate? Doesn't it work on chrome or something?[/QUOTE] [url]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/apng/ehkepjiconegkhpodgoaeamnpckdbblp[/url] install this and it should animate

I just got around to install Arch on my desktop. I installed Cinnamon and KDM, where KDM was supposed to be my login manager but ended up becoming my DE. How can I boot into Cinnamon and not KDM or KDE or whatever I'm currently using? Also how do I change my keyboard language? And where is the terminal in KDM or KDE? [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] This is really making me naseous. :v: Where is the option to extend my monitors and not have duplicates? And where can I change my keyboard language? [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] Scratch that, figured it out. Now, where can I change keyboard language?

[QUOTE=IpHa;41115642]Chromium keeps segfaulting and shitting in my log. Guess I get to try Firefox for a while. [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] ooh! I forgot my avatar was an APNG![/QUOTE] [url]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/apng/ehkepjiconegkhpodgoaeamnpckdbblp[/url] [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] oh damn new page

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;41127361][url]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/apng/ehkepjiconegkhpodgoaeamnpckdbblp[/url] [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] oh damn new page[/QUOTE] New page? It was on the same page lel

I managed to get Cinnamon to work alongside with KDM, but I still need to figure out where to change my keyboard language. :v: And where is terminal?

[QUOTE=PredGD;41127785]I managed to get Cinnamon to work alongside with KDM, but I still need to figure out where to change my keyboard language. :v:[/quote][url]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KEYMAP[/url] [quote]And where is terminal?[/QUOTE]Gonna need you to be more specific on that.

There have always been a program called "Terminal" for me when using various distros. It's on my laptop as well, which is also running Arch. I can't find it at all on my desktop.

[QUOTE=PredGD;41127877]There have always been a program called "Terminal" for me when using various distros. It's on my laptop as well, which is also running Arch. I can't find it at all on my desktop.[/QUOTE] If you didn't install it you probably don't have one.

[QUOTE=PredGD;41127877]There have always been a program called "Terminal" for me when using various distros. It's on my laptop as well, which is also running Arch. I can't find it at all on my desktop.[/QUOTE]sudo pacman -S gnome-terminal is probably what you're wanting.

Terminator is best terminal

Thanks! Also, I corrected the typo in my vconsole.conf for my keymap {i have no idea how to get those smooth brackets on this keymap. I changed from no to no-latin1 which should be correct} but nothing has changed even after a restart. I'm also ahvign a few problems with Clementine and GStreamer. I installed GStreamer through sudo pacman -S gstreamer, but I still can't play my music in clementine. I get the following error: GStreamer could not create the element: autoaudiosink. Please make sure that you have installed all necessary GStreamer plugins (e.g. OGG and MP3)

[QUOTE=Larikang;41118204]I really hate to do this... but I've got to argue this one.[/quote] oh this should be good [quote]Do you realize there's a big difference between the [url=https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide]installation guide[/url] and the [url=https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide]beginner's guide[/url]? The former assumes you already know your way around and just lays out the steps necessary for installation. The latter is much more explicit about everything and goes into all the common "gotchas".[/quote] Do you realize I'm not a fucking idiot? I did follow the "beginner's guide", and I'm frankly already pissed off that I have to clarify this. It did [b]not[/b], repeat [highlight]DID NOT[/highlight] address the problems I was having. For instance, it made no mention of having to configure the kernel, and provided no instructions. I figured it was going to do what most other distros did and autodetect my hardware. Nope, instead it installs a completely default kernel, no configuration or nothing, and I'm sitting here with kernel panics because there is no documentation on how to configure the fucking kernel. [highlight]Nothing[/highlight] in the beginner's guide, [highlight]nothing[/highlight] on its wiki. Absolutely zero. [quote] Honestly, I'm going to have to say this [i]is[/i] PEBKAC, because I did my first Arch install with only basic familiarity with Ubuntu and managed to get through it in a day with just careful reading of the beginner's guide. Now that I'm more experienced, I could probably get Arch fully installed in about an hour.[/quote] I can tell you and I aren't going to get along. [quote]pacman will [b]never[/b] break your system unless you explicitly tell it to; by doing something silly like adding --force for a full system upgrade or recursively removing a package without thinking. Complaining about this is like complaining that running rm -rf as root can easily break your system. How is a post on the front page with explicit steps of how to perform the upgrade and a [url=https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=44]dedicated subforum[/url] not enough? Yeah, I had a hard time with the /lib upgrade - which means I had to go a couple of days without upgrading my system while I figured out the problem. Oh no.[/quote] Oh really? It was kind of difficult to tell from the fact that literally every Arch user in the thread was bitching about some sort of breakage around the time of the /lib update. I suppose everyone else is PEBKAC too then, eh? [quote]Again, you're really selling the PEBKAC theory here. Get ready for your 10 second pacman tutorial. -Sy : sync package database. -S foo : install package foo from repos. -Su : full system upgrade. -U foo : install package from file or URL. -Rs foo : remove foo and unneeded dependencies. -Qs foo : search installed packages by name/description. That's it. Those are the only pacman commands I know by heart and I get by fine.[/quote] Aside from being more condescending than I usually see out of Arch users here, you're missing the main point. Those arguments don't make any fucking [b]sense[/b]. Here's those next to their emerge analogues. -Sy = --sync -S foo = foo (I'm not fucking kidding, if you just type `emerge foo` it will know you want to install package foo, no need for an explicit argument) -Su = -u world (-u means "update", world means "everything installed", you can include -D for "deep" or "literally everything" and -N to consider USE flag changes ("new USE")) -U foo = ...ok I admit portage doesn't have this as far as I know -Rs foo = -c foo -Qs foo = --search foo (-s, iirc. can also use -S to search descriptions) Notice how aside from removing packages, emerge arguments use the same letter they start with, instead of something that looks like it's randomly generated. And even with removing packages, it has some sane reasoning (it stands for "clean" instead of "remove"). What the fuck is Pacman's reasoning? Does it use Swahili? [quote]How about when people ask your opinion of Arch, you instead tell the truth: [b]you[/b] couldn't figure out how to get Arch to work.[/QUOTE] I shouldn't have to for my first install. I should be able to read a guide, run through it, and have a base system. This is true of Gentoo. Hell, it's even true of Linux From Scratch to a degree (the process is complicated, but as long as there's a solid starter guide whatever). It looks like at first it was supposed to be true of Arch. Apparently somewhere along the way, having documentation for new users that was actually up to date fell by the wayside.

[QUOTE=lavacano;41128983] [quote] How about when people ask your opinion of Arch, you instead tell the truth: you couldn't figure out how to get Arch to work. [/quote] I shouldn't have to for my first install. I should be able to read a guide, run through it, and have a base system. This is true of Gentoo. Hell, it's even true of Linux From Scratch to a degree (the process is complicated, but as long as there's a solid starter guide whatever). It looks like at first it was supposed to be true of Arch. Apparently somewhere along the way, having documentation for new users that was actually up to date fell by the wayside.[/QUOTE] I have no idea what you're talking about. Arch was literally my first linux os, and by following the beginners guide to the letter, I was able to have a system up and running in like 2-3 hours. All it takes is patience, attention to detail, some common sense, and the ability to google shit you don't quite understand. [editline]21st June 2013[/editline] Also on a unrelated note, that fix that I posted earlier about my screen brightness totally failed on me again today. I was able to make everything perfect this time by removing all my previously added kernel parameters.... I have no idea why this worked (or why the first one did either actually).

[QUOTE=lavacano;41128983] Notice how aside from removing packages, emerge arguments use the same letter they start with, instead of something that looks like it's randomly generated. And even with removing packages, it has some sane reasoning (it stands for "clean" instead of "remove"). What the fuck is Pacman's reasoning? Does it use Swahili?[/QUOTE] I know this is a Gentoo vs Arch debate but if you're arguing over the simpleness of the package managers, I think Debian's apt wins. apt-get install apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt -get dist-upgrade The only one that's a bit strange is apt-cache search ....... And then DPKG isn't hard either. dpkg -i packagename.deb And to be honest, Pacman isn't really that complicated either really. You just get used to it. There's a decent enough man page for it and the Arch Wiki is great too.

[code][me@ArchLinuxDesktop ~]$ yaourt shutter Unable to open file: /usr/local/etc/pacman.conf [me@ArchLinuxDesktop ~]$ ^C [me@ArchLinuxDesktop ~]$ [/code] uhmmm how does yaourt work? Am I using it correct?