General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

yaourt uses pacman like flags, so you should be using [code]yaourt -S shutter[/code] I think I should warn you about yaourt. It bit me in the ass a few times when I used it. I don't know if it's still the case, but there's a flag for yaourt that makes updating simpler. It's the --sucre flag. This flag is an alias for -Syyuaf --devel. Do note that -f is in there. This means that any update that should normally safely fail and tell you something is fucked (the /lib move for example) will not fail and will instead perform the update operation. This usually results in your system eating shit.

[QUOTE=Boris-B;41131224]yaourt uses pacman like flags, so you should be using [code]yaourt -S shutter[/code] I think I should warn you about yaourt. It bit me in the ass a few times when I used it. I don't know if it's still the case, but there's a flag for yaourt that makes updating simpler. It's the --sucre flag. This flag is an alias for -Syyuaf --devel. Do note that -f is in there. This means that any update that should normally safely fail and tell you something is fucked (the /lib move for example) will not fail and will instead perform the update operation. This usually results in your system eating shit.[/QUOTE] I didn't really get what you meant in the warning you gave me, but I assume I'll be okay if I only stick to the -S flag? Anyway, I did as you said and I'm fairly sure I'm still doing this wrong. [code] [me@ArchLinuxDesktop ~]$ yaourt -S shutter Unable to open file: /usr/local/etc/pacman.conf Unable to open file: /usr/local/etc/pacman.conf [sudo] password for me: error: target not found: shutter warning: 'shutter' is a file, did you mean -U/--upgrade instead of -S/--sync? [me@ArchLinuxDesktop ~]$ [/code] [url]https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/shutter/?setlang=en[/url] This is what I'm trying to download.

It shouldn't be looking for config in /usr/local/etc How did you install yaourt?

I installed it from AUR. Did all of that makepkg, pacman -U things and stuff.

About the nvidia binary driver running on Fedora. I used [url="http://easylifeproject.org"]this[/url], it's actually really useful. Not that I think it would have been that hard without it.

Was browsing distrowatch again, but 'Mageia' seems to be in the top 5 whenever I look. However, I only hear people talking about Fedora/Ubuntu/Deb/Arch etc. Anyone here that actually uses Mageia for a specific reason? Tried it out ones, wasn't too bad.

I think it's really popular because of mandriva and the fact it's user friendly.

[IMG]http://s9.postimg.org/xwktumwla/wat.jpg[/IMG] I've pretty much gotten my system to how I want it to look, but what am I looking for when it comes to changing the looks of my windows? Currently I don't feel it blends in well with the rest.

[QUOTE=benbb;41131050]I know this is a Gentoo vs Arch debate but if you're arguing over the simpleness of the package managers, I think Debian's apt wins. apt-get install apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt -get dist-upgrade The only one that's a bit strange is apt-cache search ....... And then DPKG isn't hard either. dpkg -i packagename.deb And to be honest, Pacman isn't really that complicated either really. You just get used to it. There's a decent enough man page for it and the Arch Wiki is great too.[/QUOTE] I thought about using apt as my argument against Pacman's nonsensical arguments, but decided "y'know I'm Gentoo on everything else so far, might as well use Gentoo here"

I just untar archives directly into the file system.

[QUOTE=danharibo;41132957]I just untar archives directly into the file system.[/QUOTE] Is there any reason to not do this? I kinda want to try.

I'm still confused over how I'm supposed to change window colors. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] Also, what window manager comes packaged with Cinnamon by default? I can't find it anywhere. Could I replace that window manager with something else if I want to?

[code](2/2) checking keys in keyring [######################] 100% (2/2) checking package integrity [######################] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (wrong or NULL argument passed) Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.[/code] Why thank you pacman and your nonsensical errors

I finally figured out that theme thing after a few hours of searching and tinkering. :v: Where is a good place to look for specific parts of themes? Right now I only want a theme for window borders and the controls in cinnamon.

[QUOTE=Tobba;41133683][code](2/2) checking keys in keyring [######################] 100% (2/2) checking package integrity [######################] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (wrong or NULL argument passed) Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.[/code] Why thank you pacman and your nonsensical errors[/QUOTE] Use --debug and --verbose that should tell you more.

[QUOTE=PredGD;41133589]I'm still confused over how I'm supposed to change window colors. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] Also, what window manager comes packaged with Cinnamon by default? I can't find it anywhere. Could I replace that window manager with something else if I want to?[/QUOTE] It uses Muffin and no, you can not simply replace it.

What shells do you guys use? I use tcsh at work but I find all the gotchas kind of annoying. I'm considering switching to something else. Off the top of my head I know we have ksh, zsh and bash installed, I don't know about any other ones.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;41137120]What shells do you guys use? I use tcsh at work but I find all the gotchas kind of annoying. I'm considering switching to something else. Off the top of my head I know we have ksh, zsh and bash installed, I don't know about any other ones.[/QUOTE] I just use bash because it's what is normally installed by default on Linux distros. There's probably better out there but it seems fine for me.

[QUOTE=smlance;41133544]Is there any reason to not do this? I kinda want to try.[/QUOTE] uninstalling will become a royal PITA Also the read/write/execute and user/group rights.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;41137120]What shells do you guys use? I use tcsh at work but I find all the gotchas kind of annoying. I'm considering switching to something else. Off the top of my head I know we have ksh, zsh and bash installed, I don't know about any other ones.[/QUOTE] I use zsh, that shit is magic.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;41137120]What shells do you guys use? I use tcsh at work but I find all the gotchas kind of annoying. I'm considering switching to something else. Off the top of my head I know we have ksh, zsh and bash installed, I don't know about any other ones.[/QUOTE] I use [url=http://fishshell.com/]Fish[/url]. Some people aren't a fan but I'm in love with it.

IMO Zsh is really nice. It provides all the functionality I need in bash, while improving many.

I use zsh too with [url="https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh"]oh my zsh[/url].

i use bash because it's the default and nobody's managed to convince me to switch

Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here, but I just want to say that pacman [I]does[/I] have verbose flags if you choose to use them. [code] pacman -Sy == pacman --sync --refresh pacman -Su == pacman --sync --sysupgrade pacman -Ss == pacman --sync --search pacman -Qs == pacman --query --search pacman -Rs == pacman --remove --recursive [/code] Albeit -y doesn't seem to indicate refresh, but as you said it yourself even your beloved emerge doesn't match [I]every[/I] flag up to its verbose counterpart in that way. Also, pacman deals with multiple databases, a local and a remote, so it makes sense to Q[uery] the local database and S[ync] with the remote, hence the two flags which by the way share important flags like s[earch]. Sorry to bring it up again, I've been gone for a day or so. I use bash because its the default :v:

I considered using Arch on my laptop when I get home and have time to set it up. I decided against it, I don't want to check my mailing lists and a website every time I update my packages, just in case the distro maintainers symlinked /lib to their fucking /ass.

[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;41144362]Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here, but I just want to say that pacman [I]does[/I] have verbose flags if you choose to use them. [code] pacman -Sy == pacman --sync --refresh pacman -Su == pacman --sync --sysupgrade pacman -Ss == pacman --sync --search pacman -Qs == pacman --query --search pacman -Rs == pacman --remove --recursive [/code] Albeit -y doesn't seem to indicate refresh, but as you said it yourself even your beloved emerge doesn't match [I]every[/I] flag up to its verbose counterpart in that way. Also, pacman deals with multiple databases, a local and a remote, so it makes sense to Q[uery] the local database and S[ync] with the remote, hence the two flags which by the way share important flags like s[earch].[/QUOTE] [b]Finally[/b] someone makes sense out of it. Still a little awkward, but at least I know it's based in English and not medieval Norse or some shit. Right, so, that argument's struck down.

[QUOTE=lavacano;41128983]I can tell you and I aren't going to get along.[/quote] I'm sorry that I acted condescending. I really like Arch, so I was very frustrated when you dismissed it so brusquely. You clearly love Gentoo and I'm totally fine with that. They're just different ways of speaking the language of Linux, which is something that we have a mutual interest in. To be honest, I have no heart in fighting for the objective superiority of such-and-such distro - so I hesitate to say things like "Arch is better than X because..." That being said, I still [i]really, really[/i] like Arch, so I will be quick to defend it when I feel it is being misrepresented. I regret doing so in such a dickish way.

[url=http://marc.info/?l=enlightenment-devel&m=137174431923190&w=2]Enlightenment 18 is in feature freeze[/url] Projected release: 2025

Just in time for the next Debian stable release.