General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=supervoltage;41325518]Could we stop hating on distros, now? They're basically the same but with other outfits.[/QUOTE] hey at least when i'm the one hating on arch i actually have a point the bulk of this guy's problem can be summarized as "muh GUI"

General Linux Chat and Small Questions: Distro Arguement Simulator.

[QUOTE=Lyoko774;41318355]Its not so much making a DE/WM look nice (that can be done easily) but application consistency is another problem. A lot of apps use different toolkits, are made by different developers, and have different layouts, etc. Everything in Elementary is made to a certain design specification and as such, tends to look nicer when things are used together.[/QUOTE] I wish freetards would agree on at least some common design patterns, the awful UI inconsistency pissed me off so much I went back to a tiling WM and console programs for quite a while. [editline]5th July 2013[/editline] Skinning Loonix is a pain in the ass, you have to have a matching icon pack, metacity theme, GTK2 theme, GTK3 theme, QT theme and docky theme. Its just such a fuck on.

[QUOTE=AMD Bulldozer;41332902]I wish freetards would agree on at least some common design patterns, the awful UI inconsistency pissed me off so much I went back to a tiling WM and console programs for quite a while. [editline]5th July 2013[/editline] Skinning Loonix is a pain in the ass, you have to have a matching icon pack, metacity theme, GTK2 theme, GTK3 theme, QT theme and docky theme. Its just such a fuck on.[/QUOTE] That's only true if you intend to use icons, the metacity WM, applications which use Gtk2, Gtk3, Qt and docky. Not that this is out of the ordinary, but for example you could stick to something like KDE and probably get a pretty centralized configuration.

[QUOTE=AMD Bulldozer;41332902]I wish freetards would agree on at least some common design patterns, the awful UI inconsistency pissed me off so much I went back to a tiling WM and console programs for quite a while. [editline]5th July 2013[/editline] Skinning Loonix is a pain in the ass, you have to have a matching icon pack, metacity theme, GTK2 theme, GTK3 theme, QT theme and docky theme. Its just such a fuck on.[/QUOTE] Well you don't really need to worry about GTK since GNOME seems pretty intent on driving it into the ground.

[QUOTE=danharibo;41333461]Well you don't really need to worry about GTK since GNOME seems pretty intent on driving it into the ground.[/QUOTE] Good.

Would be nice if the dev's would focus their power into making one good program, instead of 50 that do the same thing, but all are fucking terrible. I'm looking at you Xorg, Wayland, and Mir. and GTK2, GTK3, QT4, QT5. Especially when you need to have them all installed because some programs depend on them. [editline]6th July 2013[/editline] Since its like 5 years ago when I last used KDE. is it still a huge memory hog? Might think about trying it out again.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;41334374]Would be nice if the dev's would focus their power into making one good program, instead of 50 that do the same thing, but all are fucking terrible. I'm looking at you Xorg, Wayland, and Mir. [/quote] Well Wayland was just supposed to outright replace Xorg (with an Xorg shim for all your old shit) but for some reason Canonical went full retard and decided we needed Mir. [QUOTE=kaukassus;41334374] and GTK2, GTK3, QT4, QT5. Especially when you need to have them all installed because some programs depend on them. [/quote] Yeah the GTK/Qt thing is a pain in the ass, especially when you have the GTK developers shooting themselves in the foot but people sticking to it anyway because it's "what they know", Qt is miles ahead of GTK in terms of both programmer friendliness (the Qt documentation is [i]amazing[/i]) and generally not sucking (Have you seen the GTK file open dialog? is this 1999 or something?). [QUOTE=kaukassus;41334374] Since its like 5 years ago when I last used KDE. is it still a huge memory hog? Might think about trying it out again.[/QUOTE] I've been using KDE for the last year and a half non stop, It's pretty good. Memory usage and overall performance has been improved continually.

I wonder how long until Canonical forks the kernel and starts working on their own project I mean, outside of patches etc.

I think canonical agree with the "One master Linux branch" policy. They have submitted numerous patches to the kernel, and I don't see why they would go their own way.

[QUOTE=FPtje;41335167]I think canonical agree with the "One master Linux branch" policy. They have submitted numerous patches to the kernel, and I don't see why they would go their own way.[/QUOTE] They've gone their own way with several other things Mir most notably I kind of wish they'd write a new window manager instead of using compiz

[QUOTE=Lyoko774;41335497]They've gone their own way with several other things Mir most notably I kind of wish they'd write a new window manager instead of using compiz[/QUOTE] Canonical just really wants to pioneer userland software, I guess.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;41318773]so you love the fact that Pacman is a piece of shit and that fucks up your custom configs all the time? [editline]5th July 2013[/editline] Also it claims to be a modern OS but it doens't even have an installer.[/QUOTE] Arch [I]did[/I] have an installer. I actually quite liked it and was a bit upset when they removed it. Although it doesn't really matter too much because the Arch Wiki is awesome. There's always ArchBang if you want 'Arch in a box' too.

[t]http://ft.trillian.im/8c43e67de0f8511e24da13f82c110ee63ae7d6fd/6hVYG8Q7ahalPPsowlWMTlaWcjz0M.jpg[/t] ...what? Good job I don't speak French or something.

So I just tried out Kubuntu 13.04 in a VM. KDE seems much more mature now. And it seems to be much more lightweight and faster then laste time I used it. Thinking about switching to KDE. on my main RIG.

Cant seem to get phc-intel installed on my Thinkpad, apparently the acpi-cpufreq module is built in and I can't blacklist the bastard thing.

I've got a problem. After a while of playing GMod (mainly restarting the game a couple of times), the game starts lagging and mouse/keyboard inputs get delayed. Not only GMod lags, but the whole system in general. I checked RAM usage with GMod off and apparently it was using one and a half gigabyte. It usually uses around 600 MB so something is fishy. I'm running Arch Linux. What is causing this? Is there any way to fix it? Edit: Restarting the PC fixes it, but it's got little benefit to restart the PC for 4-5 GMod restarts.

[QUOTE=benbb;41346809]Arch [I]did[/I] have an installer. I actually quite liked it and was a bit upset when they removed it. Although it doesn't really matter too much because the Arch Wiki is awesome. There's always ArchBang if you want 'Arch in a box' too.[/QUOTE] There's the appeal to consistency to be made as well - in the end to have the Arch Wiki be the source of all hand-holding: the effort put into coding up a graphical installer that's going to cleave off some of the flexibility seems a bit wasted if the endpoint's to throw the user into what's still from any standpoint a blank state and far from an installation to actually [i]use[/i]. Best instead then have the guide online suggest, like it always does, without overtly directing.

Has anyone tried getting Cubeworld to work on Linux? Whatever I do, it just won't work.

What steps should I take to get a functioning SCIM setup? I just want a decent japanese IME. seems like such a painful setup for something that should be really simple [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Darkwater124;41381388]Has anyone tried getting Cubeworld to work on Linux? Whatever I do, it just won't work.[/QUOTE] It depends on DirectX11, which isn't in wine yet. Afaik.

Even people on Z0r.de don't like Arch Linux: [url]http://z0r.de/5251[/url]

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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41381872]What steps should I take to get a functioning SCIM setup? I just want a decent japanese IME. seems like such a painful setup for something that should be really simple [/QUOTE] What distro are you using? I get the impression the majority now bundle IBus and prefer IMEs built on top of it - but I'm still a bit leery of the quality and/or presence of the usage and reading reconversion dictionaries that you'll be getting.

[QUOTE=HubmaN;41397256]What distro are you using? I get the impression the majority now bundle IBus and prefer IMEs built on top of it - but I'm still a bit leery of the quality and/or presence of the usage and reading reconversion dictionaries that you'll be getting.[/QUOTE] Debian Sid anything :(

I am started to me more interested in Linux and I'm starting to have a lot more fun, I think I'm going to give it a whole harddrive now rather than just a 50gb which is almost full. Now.. I've used Ubuntu basically all the time I've had Linux and I'm thinking of maybe switching to Arch Linux? I've heard a lot of good things about it and I really want to understand/learn more about Linux so I'm guessing its a good way to go? The Arch Wiki is wonderful and almost enough to convince me to switch to it already :D Does anyone use Steam on Arch Linux? How is it? Everything work okay?

[QUOTE=Muracle;41413561]I am started to me more interested in Linux and I'm starting to have a lot more fun, I think I'm going to give it a whole harddrive now rather than just a 50gb which is almost full. Now.. I've used Ubuntu basically all the time I've had Linux and I'm thinking of maybe switching to Arch Linux? I've heard a lot of good things about it and I really want to understand/learn more about Linux so I'm guessing its a good way to go? The Arch Wiki is wonderful and almost enough to convince me to switch to it already :D Does anyone use Steam on Arch Linux? How is it? Everything work okay?[/QUOTE] I'd recommend you use Xubuntu, Lubuntu or Kubuntu until you get completely familiar with Linux.

[QUOTE=Muracle;41413561]I am started to me more interested in Linux and I'm starting to have a lot more fun, I think I'm going to give it a whole harddrive now rather than just a 50gb which is almost full. Now.. I've used Ubuntu basically all the time I've had Linux and I'm thinking of maybe switching to Arch Linux? I've heard a lot of good things about it and I really want to understand/learn more about Linux so I'm guessing its a good way to go? The Arch Wiki is wonderful and almost enough to convince me to switch to it already :D Does anyone use Steam on Arch Linux? How is it? Everything work okay?[/QUOTE] Either you'll learn quite a bit from the Arch wiki and shelve a lot of knowledge while you're at it, or you'll just learn at a slightly slower pace. It goes without saying, though, that it's best if can articulate what you want at a sufficiently specific level (at an OS-agnostic level is sufficient - Linux is all about the reimplementation and the faction warring, after all) where you intend to head.

the arch wiki is good even if you don't use arch, it's quite distribution friendly

[QUOTE=nehkz;41413682]I'd recommend you use Ubuntu until you get completely familiar with Linux.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't go with Ubuntu since it's UX is a bit backwards outside of netbook form factors. I'd recommend something like Kubuntu or Linux Mint (perhaps KDE edition), they're both based on Ubuntu but the user interface will be much more customizable.

[QUOTE=danharibo;41413878]I wouldn't go with Ubuntu since it's UX is a bit backwards outside of netbook form factors. I'd recommend something like Kubuntu or Linux Mint (perhaps KDE edition), they're both based on Ubuntu but the user interface will be much more customizable.[/QUOTE] I agree with you. The UI is backwards. I did actually mean a spin of Ubuntu like Kubuntu, Xubuntu or Lubuntu just like you said.