General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

Yeah, that's the one I used.. hmm. I'll try the automated AUR package manager but it doesn't sound as fun!

I wanna get a ProBook 4320s but am worried about the switchable graphics on it... I have heard people have had it working fine but then I have heard people are not able to get the AMD 6470 working on it because Ubuntu is using the Intel card and not the AMD one. Any of you guys got experience with this machine? I dont wanna get my purchase wrong and waste my money.

[QUOTE=Chizbang;41441690]I wanna get a ProBook 4320s but am worried about the switchable graphics on it... I have heard people have had it working fine but then I have heard people are not able to get the AMD 6470 working on it because Ubuntu is using the Intel card and not the AMD one. Any of you guys got experience with this machine? I dont wanna get my purchase wrong and waste my money.[/QUOTE] Can't you turn off one of the cards in BIOS?

[QUOTE=Nightrazr;41445749]Can't you turn off one of the cards in BIOS?[/QUOTE] Not too sure on that one... Did look it up and can't seem to find anything about it

[QUOTE=Chizbang;41441690]I wanna get a ProBook 4320s but am worried about the switchable graphics on it... I have heard people have had it working fine but then I have heard people are not able to get the AMD 6470 working on it because Ubuntu is using the Intel card and not the AMD one. Any of you guys got experience with this machine? I dont wanna get my purchase wrong and waste my money.[/QUOTE] I have some AMD 6600 series in this Thinkpad and even though it's possible to get the hybrid graphics to work even though there's no BIOS option to disable the integrated GPU, though I think the performance is taking a hit due to AMD's drivers sucking ass.

[QUOTE=danharibo;41453725]I have some AMD 6600 series in this Thinkpad and even though it's possible to get the hybrid graphics to work even though there's no BIOS option to disable the integrated GPU, though I think the performance is taking a hit due to AMD's drivers sucking ass.[/QUOTE] I'd take proper KMS and backlight-thru-ACPI support over speed any day (and I say this as an nVidia user) - the amount of whizbang the DEs'll put into their UIs have plateaued, in any case. Anyway, not-so-fresh from debian-devel: [quote]Are you a Debian Developer (DD) or Debian Maintainer (DM) or otherwise currently maintaining Debian packages? 262 Yes 311 No Did you ever boot and use a computer running systemd? It does not matter whether that computer was running Debian or a different operating system. 427 Yes 146 No What is your general sentiment towards having systemd in Debian (not necessarily as default)? 358 I welcome systemd in Debian, everything is fine. 81 I am not sure yet. 46 I don’t care. 88 I don’t want systemd in Debian. Would you personally want systemd as the default init system in Debian? 252 Yes 136 I don’t know 185 No[/quote]

[QUOTE=HubmaN;41458461]I'd take proper KMS and backlight-thru-ACPI support over speed any day (and I say this as an nVidia user) - the amount of whizbang the DEs'll put into their UIs have plateaued, in any case. Anyway, not-so-fresh from debian-devel:[/QUOTE] I thought it was the driver but it was actually kwin failing to realize DOTA 2 is actually full-screen, once I enabled direct rendering for that it worked fine.

My laptop won't fully boot for some reason (fedora19). I think it's because of a broken package. I reinstalled it and it booted fine until I updated all the packages using 'yum update'. Does anyone else have this issue?

Dota 2 finally being on Linux is pretty great, but boy I am getting low FPS with my HD 7770. I'm really tempted to try and sell this thing and get an equivalent Nvidia card to get decent framerates easier.

Again the laptop issue: My fedora19 installation doesn't boot to the login screen. It's a fresh install and the only thing I've done is install gnome tweak tool and updated my packages. Any clue what's going on? [t]http://i.imgur.com/HgfUobf.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;41486725]Again the laptop issue: My fedora19 installation doesn't boot to the login screen. It's a fresh install and the only thing I've done is install gnome tweak tool and updated my packages. Any clue what's going on? [t]http://i.imgur.com/HgfUobf.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Only experience I've had with graphical login is trying out the nouveau drivers again, only to realize they still cause a debilitating graphical crash that meant I couldn't even use my laptop until I used an emergency thumbdrive and a chroot to reinstall the nvidia drivers. I just use the VT now :v:

Someone wrote a D3D9 state tracker for Gallium3D, christ, that's slightly insane. Though, if it works, it could be awesome, because when playing a game with WINE, instead of: DirectX 9 -> OpenGL (WineD3D) -> Gallium3D -> GPU you could do DirectX 9 -> Gallium3D -> GPU and get like double the performance, and apparently he's been getting double the framerate in some games with the new code. [url]http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2013-July/041900.html[/url]

This is why I love Linux and the open source community in general. If someone wants to change a core system component just to get better frame rates in StarCraft, they are free to do so.

Only problem is that it's for Gallium3D, which means AMD and Nvidia open-source drivers only. Intel refuses to use Gallium3D, and the closed-source blobs don't use Gallium3D.

If only I could freely switch between the drivers

[QUOTE=nikomo;41493607]Only problem is that it's for Gallium3D, which means AMD and Nvidia open-source drivers only. Intel refuses to use Gallium3D, and the closed-source blobs don't use Gallium3D.[/QUOTE] It's kind of a shame, but the open source AMD drivers are getting pretty good by each release. The only closed source drivers I currently use, and have used for the past year, are broadcom drivers. Besides, it doesn't really make sense for AMD and Nvidia to develop closed-source drivers when clearly it shows that the open source ones are the ones thriving the best, even if they're not always as performant.

There's probably a massive stack of engineers at all 3 companies (Intel, Nvidia, AMD) wishing that they could be more open about this stuff, and work with the community, but there's probably a pack of lawyers with whips stalking the engineering department.

I really wonder what would be better for the computer industry: capitalist one-upmanship due to closed-source drivers (the way it is now) or GPU companies making their official drivers open source leading to a more collaborative environment. Obviously the latter is better for the open source community and graphics enthusiasts, but closed drivers are a huge factor of competition between Nvidia and AMD. It would be kinda weird if their only source of competition was the hardware they produce.

[code] :: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y :: Retrieving packages ... libedit-20130601_3.... 90,3 KiB 1411K/s 00:00 [######################] 100% dnssec-anchors-2013... 980,0 B 0,00B/s 00:00 [######################] 100% ldns-1.6.16-1-x86_64 396,7 KiB 2,73M/s 00:00 [######################] 100% openssh-6.2p2-1-x86_64 569,7 KiB 2,80M/s 00:00 [######################] 100% error: failed retrieving file 'kde-wallpapers-4.10.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz' from mirror.archlinux.no : The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found error: failed retrieving file 'kde-wallpapers-4.10.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz' from mirror.de.leaseweb.net : The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found [/code] Why doesn't it download anything? It doesn't work on anything.

[QUOTE=PredGD;41500703][code] :: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y :: Retrieving packages ... libedit-20130601_3.... 90,3 KiB 1411K/s 00:00 [######################] 100% dnssec-anchors-2013... 980,0 B 0,00B/s 00:00 [######################] 100% ldns-1.6.16-1-x86_64 396,7 KiB 2,73M/s 00:00 [######################] 100% openssh-6.2p2-1-x86_64 569,7 KiB 2,80M/s 00:00 [######################] 100% error: failed retrieving file 'kde-wallpapers-4.10.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz' from mirror.archlinux.no : The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found error: failed retrieving file 'kde-wallpapers-4.10.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz' from mirror.de.leaseweb.net : The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found [/code] Why doesn't it download anything? It doesn't work on anything.[/QUOTE] Try running pacman -Syy to redownload the package DBs

So I installed Skype into CrunchBang but apt decided to remove xserver to install the dependencies so now it just boots into black screen. I think I'm done with Linux for few months.

What's a good joy2key alternative preferrably with an interface? Everything I find seems to come uncompiled and finding what packages I need becomes a pain.

[QUOTE=Frugle;41512033]So I installed Skype into CrunchBang but apt decided to remove xserver to install the dependencies so now it just boots into black screen. I think I'm done with Linux for few months.[/QUOTE] Ouch :c Il give it a week

[QUOTE=Frugle;41512033]So I installed Skype into CrunchBang but apt decided to remove xserver to install the dependencies so now it just boots into black screen. I think I'm done with Linux for few months.[/QUOTE] Skype for linux is terrible. Run it through wine

Skype runs fine for me. I even video chatted and it worked well (except the camera drivers decided it'd be funny to make my cam stutter a lot, but I fixed that by tweaking some settings in guvcview). What's your gripe on Skype?

Well, in my occasion, Skype always crashed Xserver, and I had to restart PC. Also, does anyone knows some good fonts, because Cinnamon's standart Arial is boring.

[QUOTE=Ixmucane;41512428]What's a good joy2key alternative preferrably with an interface? Everything I find seems to come uncompiled and finding what packages I need becomes a pain.[/QUOTE] If it's for an Xbox controller, I think you can have xboxdrv run in the background and translate button presses / joystick movement to keyboard/mouse input

[QUOTE=DrAkcel;41517369]Well, in my occasion, Skype always crashed Xserver, and I had to restart PC. Also, does anyone knows some good fonts, because Cinnamon's standart Arial is boring.[/QUOTE] Droid Sans, Liberation Sans, PT Sans.

[QUOTE=supervoltage;41517262]Skype runs fine for me. I even video chatted and it worked well (except the camera drivers decided it'd be funny to make my cam stutter a lot, but I fixed that by tweaking some settings in guvcview). What's your gripe on Skype?[/QUOTE] The way it manages sound is terrible. it hurts my ears every time it makes a notification sound. Its not not the whole golden ears bullshit it's really loud and cracks a shitton. Also it lacks a lot of functions and its an extreemly outdated client. Etc. Etc. Etc.

[QUOTE=supervoltage;41517262]Skype runs fine for me. I even video chatted and it worked well (except the camera drivers decided it'd be funny to make my cam stutter a lot, but I fixed that by tweaking some settings in guvcview). What's your gripe on Skype?[/QUOTE] Skype's horrible on Linux. The client is confusing compared to the Windows version (The way it manages IM chats and windows), it seems very old compared to the Windows version and it's just not a very nice user experience.