General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install

[Lyokanthrope]

Razor-qt is a really really really nice minimal DE. Its like LXDE but better looking out of the box and with some better (imo) applications included.

[ipha]

Razor-qt and LXDE are in the process of merging. I've been looking forward to trying that out once it's in a more usable state.

[Lyokanthrope]

[QUOTE=IpHa;41855775]Razor-qt and LXDE are in the process of merging. I've been looking forward to trying that out once it's in a more usable state.[/QUOTE]

LXDE-QT is gonna use most of Razor's shit anyway. They're almost certainly going to use the panel, notification daemon, etc
[URL]http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE-Qt#Core_Components[/URL]

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

I can also vouch for SDDM being a BEAUTIFUL display manager. I hope KDE 5 will be something like that.

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

[url]http://www.maui-project.org/[/url]
This also looks interesting :v:

[ipha]

hmm, SDDM is interesting, but I've never really cared to use anything other than SLiM.

[Lyokanthrope]

I never could get SLiM working right. I always had issues with it. Though nowadays with systemd integration I might as well just use good 'ol startx, seeing as I don't need to do any bullshit to make sure I have working policykit permissions.

[.Lain]

i just use startx. graphical display managers take more time to log in through.

[thf]

It's been really long since I used Linux now, but I want to start using it again. As a developer, I really enjoy the CLI on OS X, which is why I want Linux on my desktop. Some other reasons are that I like emacs, and hate the Microsoft Visual C++ compiler. What distro do you recommend that is simple to use and set up for a developer?

edit: Some things I forgot to mention: It absolutely has to support graphics acceleration properly (as I'm programming with that stuff), but AFAIK that shouldn't differ between distros? Can't remember. The distro should also support Steam and the Valve games well.

[Lyokanthrope]

If I can ever settle on a WM/DE for more than a week I'd use startx. But sadly I keep getting bored of whatever desktop I currently have and switch to something else, switch between the two for a few days, choose one, remove the other, then repeat a week or two later.

[.Lain]

i like adapting openbox to my needs even if it isn't meant to do whatever my needs are
i haven't used another WM for more than a week

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=thf;41860179]It's been really long since I used Linux now, but I want to start using it again. As a developer, I really enjoy the CLI on OS X, which is why I want Linux on my desktop. Some other reasons are that I like emacs, and hate the Microsoft Visual C++ compiler. What distro do you recommend that is simple to use and set up for a developer?

edit: Some things I forgot to mention: It absolutely has to support graphics acceleration properly (as I'm programming with that stuff), but AFAIK that shouldn't differ between distros? Can't remember. The distro should also support Steam and the Valve games well.[/QUOTE]
if you want bleeding edge packages, arch
if you want stability, debian sid

[thf]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41860249]i like adapting openbox to my needs even if it isn't meant to do whatever my needs are
i haven't used another WM for more than a week

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

if you want bleeding edge packages, arch
if you want stability, debian sid[/QUOTE]

Don't I have to install a DE/WM and configure it by myself in both of those? You're saying that's worth it?

[.Lain]

[QUOTE=thf;41860307]Don't I have to install a DE/WM and configure it by myself in both of those? You're saying that's worth it?[/QUOTE]
Only in Arch.

[thf]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41860327]Only in Arch.[/QUOTE]

Oh, okay. I'll look into Debian, thanks.

Or are there any potential problems with older packages?

[.Lain]

setting up a minimal window manager with GNOME tools is very worth it imo, very little to get in your way and distract you. plus more screen space.
if you're a developer, look in to installing the infinality font patches. makes it a lot easier on your eyes, especially if you're coming from OSX.

[thf]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41860336]setting up a minimal window manager with GNOME tools is very worth it imo, very little to get in your way and distract you. plus more screen space.
if you're a developer, look in to installing the infinality font patches. makes it a lot easier on your eyes, especially if you're coming from OSX.[/QUOTE]

Might look into Arch then, if it's reasonably easy to set up. It just has to be really easy to keep running with updates and everything then, that's something I want.

[.Lain]

if you want easy to keep running with updates then arch is not the path you want to take

[thf]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41860363]if you want easy to keep running with updates then arch is not the path you want to take[/QUOTE]

Haha, okay then :v:
So Debian should be a good fit? How is it with the older packages? Are there any potential problems I might run into because of that?

[.Lain]

debian has pretty expansive repositories. Make sure you go with Debian Sid or else they'll be somewhat outdated ones. You can change that afterwards anyways, though. If something isn't in the repositories there's a good chance it has a PPA or a .deb installer, so don't worry about any of that too much.

[Anderen2]

[QUOTE=thf;41860179]It's been really long since I used Linux now, but I want to start using it again. As a developer, I really enjoy the CLI on OS X, which is why I want Linux on my desktop. Some other reasons are that I like emacs, and hate the Microsoft Visual C++ compiler. What distro do you recommend that is simple to use and set up for a developer?

edit: Some things I forgot to mention: It absolutely has to support graphics acceleration properly (as I'm programming with that stuff), but AFAIK that shouldn't differ between distros? Can't remember. The distro should also support Steam and the Valve games well.[/QUOTE]

Ubuntu or any of its flavors (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc), aswell as Linux Mint are also great distros that need more or less no maintiance or manual setup to get running. Though all of those has Debian as base, so CLI-wise they are more or less the same.

My advice would be to just try them out. Either in an VM or in a live environment (LiveCD/USB). Also remember, either if you go for debian, ubuntu, kubuntu, or whatever then Linux is versatile enough that you can simply install what ever you miss from the others, as their repos mostly cross eachother. Even if you dislike the entire Desktop Environment, you can just uninstall it, and install something else.

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41859192]i just use startx. graphical display managers take more time to log in through.[/QUOTE]

I use startx on laptops as an anti-theft measure

I figure idiots won't want it if they perceive that it doesn't even do login "properly"

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Anderen2;41860677]as their repos mostly cross eachother.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure all the Ubuntu variants use the exact same repos. Unless they changed that since 11.04.

[.Lain]

switching to a tty with nothing but 'top' running is an effective lockscreen

[Comfy]

htop is better :)

[shodan]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41860249]i like adapting openbox to my needs even if it isn't meant to do whatever my needs are
i haven't used another WM for more than a week

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

if you want bleeding edge packages, arch
if you want stability, debian sid[/QUOTE]

If you want a better package manager and a bit of both pick fedora :3

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

So I just reinstalled Fedora because I was too lazy clean up and now this is happening:

[t]http://i.imgur.com/ferDGph.jpg[/t]

It shows that message and then 5 seconds later it just locks up everything except the audio/mouse.
Do any of you what's going on?

[larikang]

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;41853524]I remember a guy asking how to chmod 777 all of his files down to /[/QUOTE]
I did that with my home directory when I was new to Linux. It was a real pain in the ass to undo when I realized how stupid it was.

[.Lain]

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;41862539]If you want a better package manager and a bit of both pick fedora :3

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

So I just reinstalled Fedora because I was too lazy clean up and now this is happening:

[t]http://i.imgur.com/ferDGph.jpg[/t]

It shows that message and then 5 seconds later it just locks up everything except the audio/mouse.
Do any of you what's going on?[/QUOTE]
there is absolutely no doubt the debian community is far bigger than the fedora/rhel one. more support is always good.
what benefits does rpm have over apt/pacman?

[shodan]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41863654]there is absolutely no doubt the debian community is far bigger than the fedora/rhel one. more support is always good.
what benefits does rpm have over apt/pacman?[/QUOTE]

Most of the topics they discuss are relevant for all the linux distributions and you can just replace apt-get with yum 99% of the time in those tuts.
Fedora also has a great community and an excellent wiki.

Also yum is faster, tends to break less, updates it's repo info in the background, better console output, easier to search for packages, has less overhead, the commands make more sense and tab completion is enabled by default.

[.Lain]

apt has never broken for me, it's also very fast. i'm sure that depends on the mirror
how is the console output worse, and how are packages easier to search for? aptitude is fantastic.

[shodan]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41863930]apt has never broken for me, it's also very fast. i'm sure that depends on the mirror
how is the console output worse, and how are packages easier to search for? aptitude is fantastic.[/QUOTE]

Oh I forgot to mention that it actually switches mirrors if it gets invalid metadata or the mirror times out etc. APT forces you to redo the entire process.

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

Not my screenshot

[img]http://wiki.r1soft.com/download/attachments/22201706/yum-install-unzip.png?version=1&modificationDate=1352892489000[/img]

[.Lain]

I have used yum before, you don't need to show me screenshots
why would i be talking about it if i hadn't? :s
they're both just as capable as eachother

[shodan]

--automerge--

[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41864008]I have used yum before, you don't need to show me screenshots
why would i be talking about it if i hadn't? :s
they're both just as capable as eachother[/QUOTE]

apt feels outdated and clunky compared to yum

[.Lain]

i dunno about you, but apt is just as human readable as that sans all of the fancy formatting, which i don't particularly care for. if you do, i guess it's just up to preference
if i really want human readable output, i'd use synaptic with console output