General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42442392]I was told by another Linux user the other day that I wasn't a "real" Linux user because I use Elementary OS. Now I have jumped Linux distros and the only reason I use Elementary OS is because I only have one computer and have been put in a situation where I need it to work. But I wanted some opinions. Do you think I'm just kidding myself or what?[/QUOTE] The no true Scotsman fallacy still applies, there's no such thing as "real" Linux user.

[QUOTE=danharibo;42442478]The no true Scotsman fallacy still applies, there's no such thing as "real" Linux user.[/QUOTE] The real GNU/Linux user doesen't call GNU/Linux just "Linux".

[QUOTE=kaukassus;42442583]The real GNU/Linux user doesen't call GNU/Linux just "Linux".[/QUOTE] Hello Richard.

[QUOTE=nehkz;42442935]Hello Richard.[/QUOTE] As a matter of fact, I cannot be Richard Stallman because RMS would never allow the presence of proprietary binary blobs such as Microsoft Windows on his Laptop. Also, Windows wouldn't even run on RMS's Laptop, since he uses a Lemote Laptop which doesen't support Microsoft Windows. [quote] I use a Lemote machine which has a free initialization program and a free operating system. One other advantage of this machine is that Windows has never supported it. [/quote] [url]http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html[/url] [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] I still gotta add "Learn Emacs" to my todo list.

What's emacs for? I never used it

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;42443148]What's emacs for? I never used it[/QUOTE] It's an operating system ontop of GNU/Linux.

I'm actually considering switching to Elementary OS for a little while (or at least dual booting).

[QUOTE=kaukassus;42443165]It's an operating system ontop of GNU/Linux.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and its default text editor is terrible.

[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;42444851]Yeah, and its default text editor is terrible.[/QUOTE] It is, on the other hand, a stunning IDE if you're working with a dynamic language environment that's willing to expose itself. So there's the standard tradeoff, unless you take an ascetic turn and attempt to avoid anything that viper-mode tramples over (which is a great deal as well - one can't fit vim-style text objects and every balanced-paren-juggling operation *and* every possible variant on "send this to the runtime" in the combinatorial space you get with a standard keyboard.) The abstractions it exposes in its extension API are shite, though - mapping keybindings to symbols and moving point around with Logo-style commands is fairly poor form.

[QUOTE=HubmaN;42445364]It is, on the other hand, a stunning IDE if you're working with a dynamic language environment that's willing to expose itself. So there's the standard tradeoff, unless you take an ascetic turn and attempt to avoid anything that viper-mode tramples over (which is a great deal as well - one can't fit vim-style text objects and every balanced-paren-juggling operation in the combinatorial space you get with a standard keyboard.)[/QUOTE] I am currently trying to learn Emacs. It feels like I am trying to play twister with my fingers. But it sure is fucking extensible.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;42445406]I am currently trying to learn Emacs. It feels like I am trying to play twister with my fingers.[/QUOTE] Then give up the keybindings - it's hilariously primitive to have to revert to scrolling, mousing, and a good deal of M-x if I'm going to want to kung-fu-edit; but save your attention for buffer modes that'll you won't be able to live without - org-mode, AUCTeX, WOman, the thing-that-integrates-with-GDB, TRAMP, ansi-term, dired, ERC (or ZenIRC - or even rcirc, but ERC's well settled in my muscle memory now), Artist-mode, SLIME, and friends. Work in optimization later - you'll gravitate to what you'll really want after you've established what Emacs users spend more time doing. Or you can have a good go at trying to fit viper-mode into your workflow - I find it too intrusive, though, and remain convinced that if you're spending that much time vi commanding you'd be better off using VIM, a terminal multiplexer, and all the CLI apps you want anyway. But don't knock off what I think Emacs has as its hooks until you see them all working together in practice in a more hackable and consistent manner.

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42442392]I was told by another Linux user the other day that I wasn't a "real" Linux user because I use Elementary OS. Now I have jumped Linux distros and the only reason I use Elementary OS is because I only have one computer and have been put in a situation where I need it to work. But I wanted some opinions. Do you think I'm just kidding myself or what?[/QUOTE] I get told on occasion that I'm just as bad as a windows user because I use Ubuntu. I've considered jumping to another ubuntu-like OS but you know what? I like Ubuntu, I've used it for years, and I'm not going to change because some linux extremist doesn't think I fit in his perfect definition of a "Linux User". Fuck em, use what you want, thats the whole point of Linux. It is a super-wide variety of alternatives. [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] Its an ice cream store where the counter extends into infinity, and the hardcore icecream lovers can blend their own flavors.

I installed Elementary OS over Ubuntu 13.04 and I like it a lot more. Still is Ubuntu at its heart so most software works on it, but it's really pretty and the dock and shit reminds me strongly of OS X. Basically the polished Linux distro I have been looking for. (And suspend works on it, but not brightness controls. One thing at a time, though.)

anyone that tells you you're a bad person for using ubuntu is just an ignorant poop. ignore them back!

The point of Linux is that you can have whatever the hell you want. If you want a Windows/Mac-like out-of-the-box polished OS, but with Linux-y features like package managers, workspaces, no money required, and GTK/QT themes: Ubuntu may be exactly what you want. I'm proud of you S31-Syntax for supporting your own opinion of what a good operating system is. Linux is about customization, so why is lack of configuration something undesired? To me it's just another form of customization. [I]Sometimes I don't want to configure anything.[/I] If you do want more customization, you have a choice to: Just use a different distribution. I myself use Arch Linux, but there's obvious reasons why someone would use Ubuntu instead.

Ubuntu as a distribution is just as good as any other distro out there. Why? because it's fucking GNU/Linux. you can do whatever the fuck you want. [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] Basically ubuntu is a very stable foundation for experienced users to build upon, and a good entry point for new users.

elementary is good, but certain things bothered me about it. I couldn't get files to execute as programs with the GUI (even if the permissions saved it never worked). Files crashed quite often for me. Their tweak tool is missing certain features that the Gnome/Ubuntu tweak tool had. Just a bunch of little nit-picky things that I ended up switching out. It's really pretty though. I hope Isis is more polished feature wise. If you're using it just for looks though, there are a bunch of elementary themes for GNOME and Cinnamon. Mint is more functional IMO, and it can be themed to be very similar to eOS. [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] That was just my experience though. If you're comfortable with elementary and it works for you, stick with it. The important thing is to use what works for you

[QUOTE=rilez;42446046]elementary is good, but certain things bothered me about it. I couldn't get files to execute as programs with the GUI (even if the permissions saved it never worked). Files crashed quite often for me. Their tweak tool is missing certain features that the Gnome/Ubuntu tweak tool had. Just a bunch of little nit-picky things that I ended up switching out. It's really pretty though. I hope Isis is more polished feature wise. If you're using it just for looks though, there are a bunch of elementary themes for GNOME and Cinnamon. Mint is more functional IMO, and it can be themed to be very similar to eOS. [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] That was just my experience though. If you're comfortable with elementary and it works for you, stick with it. The important thing is to use what works for you[/QUOTE] see I just have a Linux distro installed on my ultrabook's 20gb SSD for fast access web browsing and the like - I still have Windows on the main platter drive, but it's a platter drive and a deathstar to boot so I kinda don't want to wait 5 minutes just to find out what the spots on my dick are or whatever

My only bitches with Ubuntu are Unity's a pile of shit, and last time I tried to install it nouveau fucked up. The first one is easy shit (either tell apt to install something else or use one of the many billions of forks and spinoffs instead), and the second one has probably been settled by now.

eOS, from what I tried, [I]still[/I] doesn't have that acceleration for playing a game in fullscreen and doesn't have all the drivers Ubuntu does so I have to compile my network drivers. Otherwise pretty nice and speedy with a very disagreeable [url=http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines]HIG[/url]. "Avoid configuration", "Minimal documentation", "Always Saved" (Which is why Scratch only has a Save As button and not a Save button. Still gets my goat.) I can see where they're trying to come from for a very easy to understand interface but good lord these are some of the most over the top standards I've seen for software, and I even use GNOME.

Like I said, don't use it for games. It does seem pretty high-standardy, but eh, that's just part of the package I guess. Pretty good for web browsing use. Tried diagnosing my backlight issue. Keys won't work with different OSIs or backlight set to vendor/legacy, so I'm at a loss. I can "echo X | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness" and that changes the brightness to X out of 976, but beyond that, I still can't get my FN buttons to work.

[QUOTE=lavacano;42449501]My only bitches with Ubuntu are Unity's a pile of shit, and last time I tried to install it nouveau fucked up. The first one is easy shit (either tell apt to install something else or use one of the many billions of forks and spinoffs instead), and the second one has probably been settled by now.[/QUOTE] I stabbed Unity and threw it in a ditch the first chance I got. Fucking hate Unity. At the point Linus Torvalds says "Who do I have to fuck to get a decent interface around here??", you know you've fucked up.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42450358]I stabbed Unity and threw it in a ditch the first chance I got. Fucking hate Unity. At the point Linus Torvalds says "Who do I have to fuck to get a decent interface around here??", you know you've fucked up.[/QUOTE] I feel like I'm one of the twelve people who actually likes Unity. The stuff Canonical puts into the Dash on the other hand...semi-excusable. Terrible concept, but one of the few ways Canonical can actually make money through advertising and can be uninstalled. [editline]Uh oh...[/editline] Trying out Ubuntu 13.10, where the crap's the unity-lens-shopping package to get rid of? I'm scared. Does this have anything to do with the new scopes? [editline]e[/editline] unity-scope-musicstores. Even with searching online sources turned on, nothing's coming up thankfully.

My favorite part about Linux is you can take just about anything out, and put just about anything in. [url]http://askubuntu.com/questions/299426/completely-removing-smart-scopes[/url] This should help you.

I like Unity as a concept, but I feel like it's execution is just not "there" yet.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42450692]My favorite part about Linux is you can take just about anything out, and put just about anything in. [url]http://askubuntu.com/questions/299426/completely-removing-smart-scopes[/url] This should help you.[/QUOTE] Iunno, man, the fact there's a scope for browser bookmarks and Wikipedia sort of seals the deal.

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;42450739]Iunno, man, the fact there's a scope for browser bookmarks and Wikipedia sort of seals the deal.[/QUOTE] Glad I stopped upgrading before that hit the repos. In reality I stopped upgrading because [I]goddamnit you keep fucking [B]BREAKING[/B] everything when you [B]UPGRADE.[/B][/I]

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42450768]Glad I stopped upgrading before that hit the repos. In reality I stopped upgrading because [I]goddamnit you keep fucking [B]BREAKING[/B] everything when you [B]UPGRADE.[/B][/I][/QUOTE] 13.10 isn't even officially out yet (on the final beta) and it's already feeling like a disappointment. Odd. I was actually excited for the changes. GNOME Ubuntu it is. [editline]e[/editline] Wished there was a DE that was a combination of GNOME, Unity, and Pantheon.

After using i3 for months (you may remember me mentioning it), I finally configured it so I have a wallpaper. I3 is now a million times better.

Do any of you know how to disable the select another user button on the lockscreen in fedora? It crashes my computer for some reason. All I get is a black screen and everything stops responding