General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;40096883]Lubuntu can mount a NTFS partition with the right package, WIndows 7 will never be able to mount an ext partition though.[/QUOTE] There are tools for mounting ext2 partitions in Windows, but it's much easier to just boot into linux and read the NTFS partition.

[url=https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NTFS-3G]NTFS-3G[/url] looks to have some nice features, and you can just mount the partition under your /home/user/ directory to automatically get sensible permissions. After that just copy files over. You may want to force it to be readonly if you don't want to accidentally your windows files.

[QUOTE=danharibo;40096927]There are tools for mounting ext2 partitions in Windows, but it's much easier to just boot into linux and read the NTFS partition.[/QUOTE] I use ext2fsd on Windows because all my music is on my /home partition

Ok so, I'm using cygwin on my windows install, and I'm having an interesting issue with file permissions. If I change a file permission for myself, it automatically sets the same thing for the group (and vise versa), to illustrate: if I do [code]chmod 400 someFile[/code] ls -l returns 440, and if I do [code]chmod 040 someFile[/code] it also returns 440. The only thing I can think of, is that NTFS doesn't properly handle user/group permissions, but before I give up I just wanted to ask here.

[QUOTE=sabreman;40113088]Ok so, I'm using cygwin on my windows install, and I'm having an interesting issue with file permissions. If I change a file permission for myself, it automatically sets the same thing for the group (and vise versa), to illustrate: if I do [code]chmod 400 someFile[/code] ls -l returns 440, and if I do [code]chmod 040 someFile[/code] it also returns 440. The only thing I can think of, is that NTFS doesn't properly handle user/group permissions, but before I give up I just wanted to ask here.[/QUOTE] Don't hold me to it, but I think the default mount command will just give [i]everything[/i] one set or permissions on an NTFS partition because as you said NTFS does not in any way follow the linux extended filesystem user/group permission bit scheme. NTFS-3g has read/write support but appears to still only really support predefined permission masks for files and folders (see this [url=https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NTFS-3G#Linux_compatible_permissions]wiki page[/url]).

[QUOTE=sabreman;40113088]Ok so, I'm using cygwin on my windows install[/QUOTE] Stop right there, I found the problem seriously Cygwin is flat out terrible why are you using it

I broke my Arch. [code]$ pacman -S xorg-server resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... :: xorg-server and xf86-input-evdev are in conflict (X-ABI-XINPUT_VERSION). Remove xf86-input-evdev? [y/N] y :: xorg-server and xf86-input-keyboard are in conflict (X-ABI-XINPUT_VERSION). Remove xf86-input-keyboard? [y/N] y :: xorg-server and xf86-input-mouse are in conflict (X-ABI-XINPUT_VERSION). Remove xf86-input-mouse? [y/N] y :: xorg-server and xf86-video-vesa are in conflict (X-ABI-VIDEODRV_VERSION). Remove xf86-video-vesa? [y/N] y error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: xorg-server: requires xf86-input-evdev [/code]

I finally got pissed enough to look up how to uninstall Pulseaudio from my (X)ubuntu installation. It was a single command line The world turned from gray and saddening into a wonderful one, painted in vivid beautiful colors, my ears immediately got filled with heavenly singing of philharmonic robin based orchestra. Why the fuck do they even put this [B]useless[/B] shit in?

Pulseaudio is apparently the future And I hear it's even almost stable nowadays, but man, [I]fuck PulseAudio[/I], ALSA is where it's at.

[QUOTE=FPtje;40080476]Didn't AMD get better with Linux in recent years? I know NVidia is retarded with drivers.[/QUOTE] Um, what? It's literally the exact opposite. Nvidia drivers are very good in Unix-like systems.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40131076]Um, what? It's literally the exact opposite. Nvidia drivers are very good in Unix-like systems.[/QUOTE] The literally only issue with nvidia is that you only get X drivers and not fb ones.

Just got myself a new-ish laptop. It got an SSD installed (Installed by previous owner). I installed Linux Mint into it now, and holy nuts the boot is crazy. I just want to ask, is there anything I should do in terms of setting up the SSD right for Linux?

[QUOTE=Jalict;40131382]Just got myself a new-ish laptop. It got an SSD installed (Installed by previous owner). I installed Linux Mint into it now, and holy nuts the boot is crazy. I just want to ask, is there anything I should do in terms of setting up the SSD right for Linux?[/QUOTE] I don't think you have much to do. The only thing that was left in Windows for SSDs was to stop automatic defrags, but in linux filesystems it isn't even an option defragging (because it's not needed).

Is there any site where I can steal some Debian MOTDs to pimp my ssh or is there a simple way to make a motd with basic stats? Like, the top of htop + motd = what I want 'cause it'd be sexy. So, yeah, is there a site I can look at motd examples or a good tutorial for one or something? Everything I found so far doesn't really give me what I wanted (MOTD with basic system stats)

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40131076]Um, what? It's literally the exact opposite. Nvidia drivers are very good in Unix-like systems.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;iYWzMvlj2RQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ[/video] Torvalds disagrees? Speaking as someone with an optimus card in my laptop, it can be shit difficult to get it to work. Bumblebee, bbswitch and all that stuff are hacks to get it to work.

He isn't talking about the user-end side of things.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40132465]He isn't talking about the user-end side of things.[/QUOTE] Yes he is. Slightly longer video: [video=youtube;19jUboon5gI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19jUboon5gI[/video] "They said flat out 'no we're not doing any support'" Official optimus drivers [b]do not exist[/b]. That is as end-user as it could possibly get.

Everything torvalds says isn't instantly right or objective, I rarely hear about anyone having problems with their Nvidia drivers, compared to the amount of ATI users' problems [editline]2nd April 2013[/editline] Optimus is also a relatively new technology, they will get around to it eventually. It's also a low priority, sadly. It would have been implemented already if they cared about it.

[QUOTE=Jalict;40131382]Just got myself a new-ish laptop. It got an SSD installed (Installed by previous owner). I installed Linux Mint into it now, and holy nuts the boot is crazy. I just want to ask, is there anything I should do in terms of setting up the SSD right for Linux?[/QUOTE] I don't know if Mint does it automatically, but you can add the "discard" and "noatime" options to your device in /etc/fstab. discard enables TRIM support and noatime reduces the number of writes to your drive. For example, a line from your fstab might look like: [code] UUID=a-long-uuid / ext4 defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 [/code]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40132534]Everything torvalds says isn't instantly right or objective[/quote] You can reasonably assume he has a decent authority on the matter. He's still active in Linux. [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40132534]I rarely hear about anyone having problems with their Nvidia drivers, compared to the amount of ATI users' problems[/quote] I'm right here. I've had tons of trouble, especially on Arch a while ago. Things have improved now, but they have been shitty for years. [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40132534] Optimus is also a relatively new technology, they will get around to it eventually. It's also a low priority, sadly. It would have been implemented already if they cared about it.[/QUOTE] It has been around since at least 2010. There was a paper describing it in 2009.

(completely wrong thread ignore)

[QUOTE=esalaka;40130883]Pulseaudio is apparently the future And I hear it's even almost stable nowadays, but man, [I]fuck PulseAudio[/I], ALSA is where it's at.[/QUOTE] I had zero stability problems, but when I am playing native Bastion and doing other stuff, why is there 6 Pulseaudio threads running, one of them actually hogging 30%, the other single digit but still real amount of CPU power, and the game actually stutters, with the stuttering completely smoothing out when I kill the Pulseaudio? It's a fucking sound system. It has no right to cross 5% cpu load on one core, in my book (unless I would be doing something really batshit, which wasn't the case). And as I said, the worst thing is that it seems really abundant, at least in the implementation on ubuntu. I just uninstalled the package and rebooted, and pure beautiful ALSA immediately kicked in. There was the greeting jingle on boot and everything. Only other thing I had to do aside of scraping that shit out was installing ALSA mixer, but that was only necessary to adjust the volume.

The problem is shit distros like Ubuntu include it in, so programs start expecting it to be there and break when it isn't, so distros include it in, repeat. It's a vicious cycle. I'm stuck using it because Steam needs it as a dependency and it insists on completely taking over my entire sound setup.

Steam's got a pulseaudio dependency? My Arch setup didn't break and audio is fine What the fuck, Arch didn't break I've been using Steam for at least 2-3 months now Did hell freeze over

[QUOTE=lavacano;40133190]The problem is shit distros like Ubuntu include it in, so programs start expecting it to be there and break when it isn't, so distros include it in, repeat. It's a vicious cycle. I'm stuck using it because Steam needs it as a dependency and it insists on completely taking over my entire sound setup.[/QUOTE] So explain how I just successfully used Steam and played Bastion without it? Maybe Steam needs it to install and that would be insanely dumb, but it works without it. Well, thinking about it, Steam might have not made sounds on it's own, I wouldn't notice, but fuck that noise, I am not going to keep that for it.

[QUOTE=FPtje;40132684]You can reasonably assume he has a decent authority on the matter. He's still active in Linux.[/QUOTE] He's talking about their mobile chipsets (Tegra, Optimus bullshit), which Nvidia pretty either only support because they have to (Tegra), or don't support at all (Optimus). Their drivers for the normal GPUs work just fine, you are the rare minority when it comes to your problems. I on the other hand am the owner of a 5770, and that thing will just simply refuse to work properly under Ubuntu 12.04, and 12.10, which are both the mainstream targeted platforms for their drivers.

Java and Feroda aren't the best couple in the world.

[QUOTE=nikomo;40133427]He's talking about their mobile chipsets (Tegra, Optimus bullshit), which Nvidia pretty either only support because they have to (Tegra), or don't support at all (Optimus). Their drivers for the normal GPUs work just fine, you are the rare minority when it comes to your problems. I on the other hand am the owner of a 5770, and that thing will just simply refuse to work properly under Ubuntu 12.04, and 12.10, which are both the mainstream targeted platforms for their drivers.[/QUOTE] I have to say, while fglrx is a bit of a minefield in terms of generally just not working properly, AMD do seem to have all of the "meta" stuff in the right place; their install produces packages rather than just dumping files into your filesystem and their hybrid graphics is [i]actually[/i] supported. The 13.1 driver is actually not too bad either, I've even managed to experience hardware accelerated 3D.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40133413]So explain how I just successfully used Steam and played Bastion without it? Maybe Steam needs it to install and that would be insanely dumb, but it works without it. Well, thinking about it, Steam might have not made sounds on it's own, I wouldn't notice, but fuck that noise, I am not going to keep that for it.[/QUOTE] Maybe Valve got rid of the dependency then. Too late for me, sadly, because now for some reason plain ALSA is absolutely wrecked.

[QUOTE=lavacano;40133574]Maybe Valve got rid of the dependency then. Too late for me, sadly, because now for some reason plain ALSA is absolutely wrecked.[/QUOTE] The Source engine supports plain ALSA if you set SDL_AUDIODRIVER="alsa", I'm not sure if Steam itself depends on pulseaudio but it should run without it.