General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install

[benbb]

[QUOTE=Tiitaniume;42582346]So i am downloading Ubuntu right now (hope it's worth it) and been thinking, should i completely remove Windows or install Ubuntu as separate OS? I kinda want to remove Windows because it has so much bullshit that makes me uncomfortable and there's still around 10 GB left my hard-drive and i want to clean up the shit but can't find what i don't need for some reason.[/QUOTE]

Since you only really play TF2 you're probably going to be alright to do a full clean install. Depends what you're going to do with it though. Dual boot if you need specific Windows applications.

[XxThreedogxX]

What is the best distro to put on a usb for cleaning up someones system?
I have quite a bit of tech illiterate family.

[editline]20th October 2013[/editline]

At the very least I'll be using it for data recovery.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42584186]What is the best distro to put on a usb for cleaning up someones system?
I have quite a bit of tech illiterate family.

[editline]20th October 2013[/editline]

At the very least I'll be using it for data recovery.[/QUOTE]

Some lightweight Ubuntu derivative.
Remember to install Gparted and it's recommended packages.

[Darkwater]

I'm using tint2 with openbox, and I want it to stay always on top, like this:

[t]http://dev.novaember.com/s/13-10-20_14-59-14_350808577.png[/t]

It works, but not like it should. If there's a window on y=0, it will show up above tint2. Right now my chome's window is at 1920x1079+0+1. It's an okay 'fix', but now I can't throw my mouse all the way up to scroll through the tabs anymore. I'd write a C program to keep the mouse from entering the top pixel row, but I can't find a way to listen to mouse events without capturing them.

Can anyone help me with this? I want to either keep tint2 on top or [I]listen[/I] to mouse movement.

[XxThreedogxX]

[QUOTE=Van-man;42584211]Some lightweight Ubuntu derivative.
Remember to install Gparted and it's recommended packages.[/QUOTE]

Xubuntu?

[benbb]

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42584300]Xubuntu?[/QUOTE]

[I]Lubuntu[/I]

[Darkwater]

[QUOTE=benbb;42584770][I]Lubuntu[/I][/QUOTE]

[U][I]Crunchbang[/I][/U]

[vlad]

if I would like to, I could install every desktop component manually myself, right? instead of installing for example cinnamon or KDE I could download what I like from both DE's?

[Doritos_Man]

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42584186]What is the best distro to put on a usb for cleaning up someones system?
I have quite a bit of tech illiterate family.

[editline]20th October 2013[/editline]

At the very least I'll be using it for data recovery.[/QUOTE]

I'd recommend Hiren's boot CD. It has like everything and it also does have a bootable Linux distro for partition stuff I believe.

[naelstrof]

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;42584258]I'm using tint2 with openbox, and I want it to stay always on top, like this:

[t]http://dev.novaember.com/s/13-10-20_14-59-14_350808577.png[/t]

It works, but not like it should. If there's a window on y=0, it will show up above tint2. Right now my chome's window is at 1920x1079+0+1. It's an okay 'fix', but now I can't throw my mouse all the way up to scroll through the tabs anymore. I'd write a C program to keep the mouse from entering the top pixel row, but I can't find a way to listen to mouse events without capturing them.

Can anyone help me with this? I want to either keep tint2 on top or [I]listen[/I] to mouse movement.[/QUOTE]

The SFML library does some mouse magic. Look at how they do mouse events because they do what you describe: they "listen" to mouse events, even if the mouse is captured or not focused on the window.

[ben1066]

Thinking about getting a laptop, though I don't really want to spend a fortune. Looking to maybe get a used Thinkpad X220 or something, are they really as great as people say under Linux, in my case Arch. Also, something that's been niggling me, is there any way to get middle mouse click scrolling on Chrome on Linux?

[editline]20th October 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42579672]Has anyone else had an issue with Xchat?
When I try to connect to a server it will just keep saying its loading up but it seems like no progress is being made.[/QUOTE]

I use Quassel and love it since I can have multiple devices connect to the same "core" and maintain my session, I used to do the same with irssi, screen and ssh, but this is much nicer, especially on mobile devices in my opinion.

[Darkwater]

[QUOTE=Naelstrom;42585844]The SFML library does some mouse magic. Look at how they do mouse events because they do what you describe: they "listen" to mouse events, even if the mouse is captured or not focused on the window.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the tip, got it working now!

Code if anyone's interested:

#include <X11/Xlib.h>

int main(int argc, char **argv) {
    Display *display;
    XEvent xevent;
    Window window;

    if ((display = XOpenDisplay(NULL)) == NULL)
        return -1;

    window = DefaultRootWindow(display);
    XSelectInput(display, window, PointerMotionMask);


    while (1) {
        XNextEvent(display, &xevent);

        switch (xevent.type) {
            case MotionNotify:
                if (xevent.xmotion.y_root < 1) {
                    XWarpPointer(display, None, window, 0, 0, 0, 0, xevent.xmotion.x_root, 1);
                    XFlush(display);
                }
                break;
        }
    }

    return 0;
}

[XxThreedogxX]

Am I the only one that misses the dedicated Linux section?

[MuThing]

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42587036]Am I the only one that misses the dedicated Linux section?[/QUOTE]

I miss seeing the 'The answer is install Linux, now what is the question?' quote whenever I scroled down.

[benbb]

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42587036]Am I the only one that misses the dedicated Linux section?[/QUOTE]

Same. I wonder why it got deleted. If the Mac and Linux sections got put together, I'm surprised the WebDev and programming sections didn't get put together.

Please bring back the Linux section, Garry. No-one cares about the Mac section though.

[vlad]

I was actually thinking of the same thing earlier today. I was pretty sure that the different OS's used to have their own forum, and I miss it

[benbb]

[URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20120511021812/http://www.facepunch.com/"][IMG]http://puu.sh/4UZoD.png[/IMG]
[/URL]
From the WayBackMachine in May 2012.

Also found this gem from 2004.

[URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20041129065412/http://www.facepunch.com/"][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/v9B8q5T.gif[/IMG][/URL]

[editline]20th October 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=ben1066;42586599]Also, something that's been niggling me, is there any way to get middle mouse click scrolling on Chrome on Linux?[/QUOTE]

[url]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/autoscroll/occjjkgifpmdgodlplnacmkejpdionan?hl=en[/url]

Works wonders.

[HubmaN]

[QUOTE=benbb;42587251][URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20120511021812/http://www.facepunch.com/"][IMG]http://puu.sh/4UZoD.png[/IMG]
[/URL]
From the WayBackMachine in May 2012.

Also found this gem from 2004.

[URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20041129065412/http://www.facepunch.com/"][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/v9B8q5T.gif[/IMG][/URL]

[editline]20th October 2013[/editline]

[url]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/autoscroll/occjjkgifpmdgodlplnacmkejpdionan?hl=en[/url]

Works wonders.[/QUOTE]

Crap, now I'll have to dig out my grody old copies of FaceWound.

[ben1066]

[QUOTE=benbb;42587251][URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20120511021812/http://www.facepunch.com/"][IMG]http://puu.sh/4UZoD.png[/IMG]
[/URL]
From the WayBackMachine in May 2012.

Also found this gem from 2004.

[URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20041129065412/http://www.facepunch.com/"][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/v9B8q5T.gif[/IMG][/URL]

[editline]20th October 2013[/editline]

[url]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/autoscroll/occjjkgifpmdgodlplnacmkejpdionan?hl=en[/url]

Works wonders.[/QUOTE]

Thank you so much!

[Stonecycle]

What's a good GTK theme that isn't Numix? Using Zukitwo right now and could go for something just as "dull" colored (where it wouldn't suddenly blind you like Oxygen or Adwaita).

[sabreman]

Today I learned the magic of cron and tmux. Now my irc session will never die!

[street wizard]

what would be the best distro for just steam and browsing the internets

[MuThing]

[QUOTE=poopiecrap;42592476]what would be the best distro for just steam and browsing the internets[/QUOTE]

Really any distro can do that well, Elementary OS, Ubuntu or Mint are all good when it comes to user friendliness.

[Lyokanthrope]

Hell if you want to sacrifice a full Steam client you could use ChromeOS :v:

[shodan]

[QUOTE=MasterFen006;42592934]Really any distro can do that well, Elementary OS, Ubuntu or Mint are all good when it comes to user friendliness.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of user friendliness.
I've decided to accept the fact that Fedora is too difficult for beginners to set up so I've started working on a Fedora quicksetup tool. It'll install the RPMFusion repo's, Gnome-Tweak-Tool, some basic themes/addons, etc for you.
Fedora is pretty easy to use once you've done all of that.

[benbb]

[QUOTE=poopiecrap;42592476]what would be the best distro for just steam and browsing the internets[/QUOTE]

Anything Ubuntu based (Steam for Linux was specifically designed for Ubuntu, however it does work on most other distros; albeit not as well).

Ubuntu, Mint, ElementaryOS, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, PinguyOS, ZorinOS.

[url]http://www.ubuntu.com/[/url]
[url]http://linuxmint.com/[/url]
[url]http://elementaryos.org/[/url]
[url]http://xubuntu.org[/url]
[url]http://lubuntu.net/[/url]
[url]http://pinguyos.com/[/url]
[url]http://zorin-os.com/[/url]

Alternatively you could use Manjaro, which is an easier to use version of Arch. It has Steam pre-installed.

[url]http://manjaro.org/[/url]

[Van-man]

[url]http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ5MTI[/url]
[url]http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ5MDI[/url]

Oh boy, either Mark Shuttleworth will be schooled, or his delusional stubborness will grow to previously unseen proportions.
Either way, it's gonna be entertaining.

[benbb]

I don't see the issue with Mir. Wayland isn't ready yet so Ubuntu have jumped the gun and done a similar thing themselves. I've never had any problems with it either.

[Comfy]

[QUOTE=benbb;42594014]I don't see the issue with Mir. Wayland isn't ready yet so Ubuntu have jumped the gun and done a similar thing themselves. I've never had any problems with it either.[/QUOTE]

Because as far as I read an implied it, so far, most if not all major DE's don't plan on supporting Mir.

Mir faces rejection from everywhere, and will probably be restricted to an Ubuntu only thing, While wayland will be the direct replacement of the Xorg protocol.

Also some things here:
[url]http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/[/url]

Sure, there's XMir, but what happens if applications are removing Xorg support, and go wayland only? canonical would then be required to develop a Wayland->Mir compatibility layer, just to stay relevant.

And I don't think all that many Applications will both ship native Wayland AND Mir native versions.

[editline]21st October 2013[/editline]

This is truly an interesting time for the GNU Operating system, and I will eagerly follow what happens next, when both Display Servers are in a stable state.

Also, It will be interesting to see, which distros will be adopting Mir or Wayland (or both?).
And if the general user would feel a big difference, when switching form Xorg to Wayland or Mir.

[editline]21st October 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=benbb;42594014]I don't see the issue with Mir. Wayland isn't ready yet so Ubuntu have jumped the gun and done a similar thing themselves. I've never had any problems with it either.[/QUOTE]

Also, Mir is being developed because Canonical said that Wayland doesn't fit their needs.
That's why they programmed a Display Server form scratch instead of contributing to the Wayland development.

[Skanic]

Have you guys tried netrunner?