General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. I broke my Arch Install - Hardware & Software

Things I love about the Linux community include: going the extra mile for a (usually) complete stranger.

Hm, apparently you can't construct the kernel command-line at the prompt in the same way you do in the config file... if it doesn't find the symbol you try to invoke (like a label or one of the "modules" you can install) it just assumes it is a kernel command line. Try something like this: [code] boot>../vmlinuz-linux root=<root device here> initrd=../initramfs-linux.img rw [/code] This is basically what the command line ends up looking like through the configuration file; the whole LABEL business is just a nice way to write it. [editline]24th October 2013[/editline] mah merge [editline]24th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42632826]Things I love about the Linux community include: going the extra mile for a (usually) complete stranger.[/QUOTE] I'm usually just glad I [i]can[/i] help someone else, and in most cases I do end up learning something myself (or realizing that I know less than I thought I did :v:).

[QUOTE=zhalcyon441;42627028]so i decided to try to install ubuntu on my secondary drive, i've burnt the .iso to the disk and when i insert it and boot from the DVD, it comes up with nothing but a purple screen, an image of a man and a keyboard. it won't get anywhere passed that, anyone know what's up?[/QUOTE] anyone?

So while we're all helping each other I'm just gonna ask. In your opinion is it GNU/Linux or just Linux?

I know it's GNU/Linux but that just sounds silly. Just call it Linux.

[QUOTE=zhalcyon441;42634740]anyone?[/QUOTE] Did you checksum the iso to make sure it's good? Maybe try a different iso? It's kind of a weird problem that you're having. Usually the problem is getting it to boot in the first place, not it being broken once it's booted.

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;42635312]So while we're all helping each other I'm just gonna ask. In your opinion is it GNU/Linux or just Linux?[/QUOTE] Technically GNU/Linux is more accurate, as Linux is only the kernel and the rest of it was made by the GNU folk. However, GNU/Linux is fucking awkward to say. I just call it "Linux" because I can't think of a single instance where it doesn't get used in conjunction with the GNU utilities.

I don't call my phone an Android+BusyBox/Linux phone, I call it an Android phone. I don't call my laptop a GNU/Linux laptop, I call it a Linux laptop.

GNU/Linux is how I'd write it formally. 'Linux' otherwise.

It's communism.

[QUOTE=nikomo;42636455]I don't call my phone an Android+BusyBox/Linux phone, I call it an Android phone. I don't call my laptop a GNU/Linux laptop, I call it a Linux laptop.[/QUOTE] Wait they replaced all the GNU software in the android Linux and replaced it with busybox? Sweet.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;42639842]Wait they replaced all the GNU software in the android Linux and replaced it with busybox? Sweet.[/QUOTE] I actually sure busybox is something you have to install yourself. Or it's included with custom firmwares. [editline]25th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lavacano;42636228]Technically GNU/Linux is more accurate, as Linux is only the kernel and the rest of it was made by the GNU folk. However, GNU/Linux is fucking awkward to say. I just call it "Linux" because I can't think of a single instance where it doesn't get used in conjunction with the GNU utilities.[/QUOTE] I hate associating with GNU because they are quite close in cohorts to the FSF, and the FSF community have a sort of ignorant "fuck all proprietary software" attitude which is really annoying. I could tell you the story about how I bumped into a couple hardcore followers of them at linuxcon in australia and got in this big argument about how "selling webadmin administration tools written in perl is immoral". But I'd rather just generalize. That said i'm sure there are nicer and more reasonable members in the FSF, but I personally support the EFF. [editline]25th October 2013[/editline] Also I think we are past using the Linux/GNU term if we get all technical, i mean after all, its hardly GNU sticking in Amazon search results into Unity, and using partly closed source nVidia drivers. But I guess credit where credit is due, GNU is where it all started, and they deserve that recognition. [sp]install gentoo 4 gnu :~)[/sp]

[QUOTE=Venom Mk III;42640779]I actually sure busybox is something you have to install yourself. Or it's included with custom firmwares. [editline]25th October 2013[/editline] I hate associating with GNU because they are quite close in cohorts to the FSF, and the FSF community have a sort of ignorant "fuck all proprietary software" attitude which is really annoying. I could tell you the story about how I bumped into a couple hardcore followers of them at linuxcon in australia and got in this big argument about how "selling webadmin administration tools written in perl is immoral". But I'd rather just generalize. That said i'm sure there are nicer and more reasonable members in the FSF, but I personally support the EFF. [editline]25th October 2013[/editline] Also I think we are past using the Linux/GNU term if we get all technical, i mean after all, its hardly GNU sticking in Amazon search results into Unity, and using partly closed source nVidia drivers. But I guess credit where credit is due, GNU is where it all started, and they deserve that recognition. [sp]install gentoo 4 gnu :~)[/sp][/QUOTE] Basically it's the GNU Operating System, which is made useful by the Linux kernel and the GNU corelibs. Ubuntu uses those, making it essentially a GNU Operating System, but into one that doesen't respect your freedom. [quote]sing partly closed source nVidia drivers[/quote] AFAIK the nopuveau free software, and is shipped by default in ubuntu, while you have to specially download the proprietary driver from the repository. Ubuntu doesen't respect your freedom because it offers proprietary software in their repos. but it's objectively still a GNU Operating system, unless they gvet rid of all the GNU components inside.

[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;42632845]Hm, apparently you can't construct the kernel command-line at the prompt in the same way you do in the config file... if it doesn't find the symbol you try to invoke (like a label or one of the "modules" you can install) it just assumes it is a kernel command line. Try something like this: [code] boot>../vmlinuz-linux root=<root device here> initrd=../initramfs-linux.img rw [/code] This is basically what the command line ends up looking like through the configuration file; the whole LABEL business is just a nice way to write it. [editline]24th October 2013[/editline] mah merge [editline]24th October 2013[/editline] I'm usually just glad I [i]can[/i] help someone else, and in most cases I do end up learning something myself (or realizing that I know less than I thought I did :v:).[/QUOTE] All commands won't work :| dunno why, can you add me on Steam so we can talk more without filling up this thread please?

[QUOTE=Venom Mk III;42640779]I actually sure busybox is something you have to install yourself. Or it's included with custom firmwares. [editline]25th October 2013[/editline] I hate associating with GNU because they are quite close in cohorts to the FSF, and the FSF community have a sort of ignorant "fuck all proprietary software" attitude which is really annoying. I could tell you the story about how I bumped into a couple hardcore followers of them at linuxcon in australia and got in this big argument about how "selling webadmin administration tools written in perl is immoral". But I'd rather just generalize. That said i'm sure there are nicer and more reasonable members in the FSF, but I personally support the EFF. [editline]25th October 2013[/editline] Also I think we are past using the Linux/GNU term if we get all technical, i mean after all, its hardly GNU sticking in Amazon search results into Unity, and using partly closed source nVidia drivers. But I guess credit where credit is due, GNU is where it all started, and they deserve that recognition. [sp]install gentoo 4 gnu :~)[/sp][/QUOTE] I wanna hear that story.

Quick question, friends. Upon returning to my place of residence, I plan to compile a custom Linux kernel and all that jazz, but I must ask; will I still need an initrd image afterwards? I mean, after setting Grub 2 to boot from the kernel bzImage, will I still need to specify an initrd image as well? I'm assuming not, but I want to make sure, as I have messed with this before and had weird results arise.

I [I]really[/I] enjoy it when pacman -Syu has a negative net upgrade size.

[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;42642611]Quick question, friends. Upon returning to my place of residence, I plan to compile a custom Linux kernel and all that jazz, but I must ask; will I still need an initrd image afterwards? I mean, after setting Grub 2 to boot from the kernel bzImage, will I still need to specify an initrd image as well? I'm assuming not, but I want to make sure, as I have messed with this before and had weird results arise.[/QUOTE] The sole postcondition required [i]immediately[/i] after the initramfs is unpacked (or whatever the previous action is) for the kernel to lurch on is that init be accessible - and so I'll cheat and fall back to saying it'll be up to how you've configured kernel modules and kernel boot arguments beforehand, since it's the only thing to you can fiddle with anyway. Hooray for tautology!

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;42639842]Wait they replaced all the GNU software in the android Linux and replaced it with busybox? Sweet.[/QUOTE] No, it comes with the custom ROM I use. You can also install it onto a stock ROM that your device comes with.

[QUOTE=Venom Mk III;42640779]I hate associating with GNU because they are quite close in cohorts to the FSF, and the FSF community have a sort of ignorant "fuck all proprietary software" attitude which is really annoying.[/QUOTE] For most purposes, the GNU bunch [I]is[/I] the FSF - or an extended community around it.

[QUOTE=HubmaN;42644041]The sole postcondition required [i]immediately[/i] the initramfs is unpacked (or whatever the previous action is) for the kernel to lurch on is that init be accessible - and so I'll cheat and fall back to saying it'll be up to how you've configured kernel modules and kernel boot arguments beforehand, since it's the only thing to you can fiddle with anyway. Hooray for tautology![/QUOTE] Thank you! I'll start on it now.

Are there any themes for GNOME3 that don't have a giant, ugly space at the top of each window? [editline]25th October 2013[/editline] I'd just use openbox since I already have bblean on windows but I'd rather get the feel of linux first before I switch to anything more complicated.

[QUOTE=Tiitaniume;42641566]All commands won't work :| dunno why, can you add me on Steam so we can talk more without filling up this thread please?[/QUOTE] Definitely; that command line works for me, but you may have slightly different specifics.

having some pretty gnarly issues trying to install Fedora 19 [t]http://i.imgur.com/BEOPGWe.png[/t] i've been going at it for a while now so I'm pretty close to just throwing in the towel

I want to install Linux along side win8.1 on my laptop. I heard with that set up I would run into problems, is it still possible for windows + Linux setup where you choose on boot in which OS you want to fully boot? If so, how?

[QUOTE=diwako;42649916]I heard with that set up I would run into problems[/QUOTE] Where'd you hear that? Unless I am totally out of the loop (which I could be) you will probably be fine seeing as you already had Windows installed first. As far as I can tell, most of the problems people are having are to do with upgrading from 8 to 8.1 on an already dual booting machine.

Question remains on how to do that, I am illiterate when it comes to that.

[QUOTE=Little Donny;42650089]Where'd you hear that? Unless I am totally out of the loop (which I could be) you will probably be fine seeing as you already had Windows installed first. As far as I can tell, most of the problems people are having are to do with upgrading from 8 to 8.1 on an already dual booting machine.[/QUOTE] If he is using 8.1 he is going to have to use a distro with a EFI certificate. Ubuntu Desktop would be the easiest.

[QUOTE=Soleeedus;42647573]having some pretty gnarly issues trying to install Fedora 19 [t]http://i.imgur.com/BEOPGWe.png[/t] i've been going at it for a while now so I'm pretty close to just throwing in the towel[/QUOTE] I still don't get why everyone has issues with installing/setting up Fedora besides me... Run gparted and resize the parition manually. Leave the space where Fedora goes unformatted and the installer will do the rest for you. [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Venom Mk III;42650725]If he is using 8.1 he is going to have to use a distro with a EFI certificate. Ubuntu Desktop would be the easiest.[/QUOTE] Pretty much every up to date distro has it.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;42650884]I still don't get why everyone has issues with installing/setting up Fedora besides me... Run gparted and resize the parition manually. Leave the space where Fedora goes unformatted and the installer will do the rest for you. [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] Pretty much every up to date distro has it.[/QUOTE] Define "every up to date distro" lol. All the implementations are varied and I can almost guarantee you that Ubuntu's implementation of EFI certs is the best and will have the least problems for this guy trying to try linux for the first time. (For the record I have had cases where nothing but Ubuntu would install on the computer simply because Fedora and Linux Mint didn't like the EFI bios.)