Searching for the best Nvidia approved 3D monitor but cannot find decent comparisons

[4RT1LL3RY]

[QUOTE=Kel|oggs;26637551]Are there any 24" Viewable CRT's?[/QUOTE]

No, the largest is 22.5" viewable. Its the Sony GDM-FW900, the only wide screen CRT monitor I have ever seen, it is also the best screen just about ever made. Its hard to find though but it can do 1920x1080@120hz fine according to specs.
[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J2VJTNX3L._SL500_AA280_.jpg[/img]
The only way to get them at a decent price is from craigslist, someone near me was selling one for $100 but they were on the other side of the state. I wish I would have gotten it now, would have bowed my desk probably, but its so damn nice.

[odellus]

[QUOTE=4RT1LL3RY;26640604]No, the largest is 22.5" viewable. Its the Sony GDM-FW900, the only wide screen CRT monitor I have ever seen, it is also the best screen just about ever made. Its hard to find though but it can do 1920x1200@120hz fine according to specs.
[img_thumb]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J2VJTNX3L._SL500_AA280_.jpg[/img_thumb]
The only way to get them at a decent price is from craigslist, someone near me was selling one for $100 but they were on the other side of the state. I wish I would have gotten it now, would have bowed my desk probably, but its so damn nice.[/QUOTE]

I have a friend who has that. He uses a gorilla rack as a desk because the thing weighs over 300 lbs. He says once he goes into the Air Force, he'd sell it to me for $150 including shipping (according to him, you actually have to contract a moving company to bring it to you).

[4RT1LL3RY]

[QUOTE=Odellus;26640722]I have a friend who has that. He uses a gorilla rack as a desk because the thing weighs over 300 lbs. He says once he goes into the Air Force, he'd sell it to me for $150 including shipping (according to him, you actually have to contract a moving company to bring it to you).[/QUOTE]

It weights closer to 100lbs I thought? Its still has to ship through freight due to the bulk. I saw one on ebay going for $100 with $100 freight shipping. Ended up going for $350.

[doonbugie2]

That was easy, sent out 4 emails for 16" and 17" monitors on craigslist. Hopefully they can achieve 120hz.

[odellus]

[QUOTE=4RT1LL3RY;26640847]It weights closer to 100lbs I thought? Its still has to ship through freight due to the bulk. I saw one on ebay going for $100 with $100 freight shipping. Ended up going for $350.[/QUOTE]

He told me 300 and I just looked it up and it says 92.6. Huh.

[4RT1LL3RY]

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;26640989]That was easy, sent out 4 emails for 16" and 17" monitors on craigslist. Hopefully they can achieve 120hz.[/QUOTE]

I recommend you go larger, the 21" monitors are a sweet spot for gaming with CRTs in my opinion. The smaller ones cannot handle higher resolutions at the same refresh rate.

Which location of craiglist are you using? I'll look for some good ones. You will want to stick to 4:3 or 5:4 aspect ratio resolutions on CRTs so you make use of the most of the screen area. 1600x1200@120hz or 1680x1050@120hz would likely be the best area to shoot for.

The available refresh rates at a resolution and what can be achieved are different. The maximum scan rate of the monitor is how you can figure out the maximum refresh rate at a given resolutions.

My HP P1130 has a maximum resolution of 2048x1536@75hz so has a maximum rate of 235929600.
You divide that by the total number of pixels on screen to get a maximum refresh rate.

max = 235929600 pixels/sec
resolution = 1600x1200
count = 1920000 pixels
max / count = refresh rate which in this case is
122.88 hz

[doonbugie2]

[QUOTE=4RT1LL3RY;26641149]I recommend you go larger, the 21" monitors are a sweet spot for gaming with CRTs in my opinion. The smaller ones cannot handle higher resolutions at the same refresh rate.

Which location of craiglist are you using? I'll look for some good ones. You will want to stick to 4:3 or 5:4 aspect ratio resolutions on CRTs so you make use of the most of the screen area. 1600x1200@120hz or 1680x1050@120hz would likely be the best area to shoot for.

The available refresh rates at a resolution and what can be achieved are different. The maximum scan rate of the monitor is how you can figure out the maximum refresh rate at a given resolutions.

My HP P1130 has a maximum resolution of 2048x1536@75hz so has a maximum rate of 235929600.
You divide that by the total number of pixels on screen to get a maximum refresh rate.

max = 235929600 pixels/sec
resolution = 1600x1200
count = 1920000 pixels
max / count = refresh rate which in this case is
122.88 hz[/QUOTE]
Oh thanks, But I dont think there is anything good on it. Nanaimo is my location.
[URL]http://nanaimo.en.craigslist.ca/[/URL]

[editline]11th December 2010[/editline]

I used to have a monitor that had the coloured cables that you plug in, I ditched it 2 years ago though :(, It was 21"

[PvtCupcakes]

[QUOTE=Tools;26625597]Seriously? I always though there were a second layer in 3D screens, so that the frames could easier sync or something.[/QUOTE]

The only thing special with the "3D TVs" is that they have a port for the device that synchronizes with your glasses built in. That's kind of nice if you want to watch broadcast TV in 3D, but it's not so useful for a computer monitor since all the video is coming out of your computer and you could easily hook up a synchronization device to that.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

Also, Nvidia's 3D technology (can't remember the name anymore) is pretty dumb. It actually checks your monitor to see if it's approved. If your monitor isn't approved it will refuse to do 3D itself. At work we got around this by redoing our content to do stereo display by itself instead of through the Nvidia driver.
We're just passing frames through the driver at 120hz now instead of letting the Nvidia driver separate the images because Nvidia is bullshit.

[4RT1LL3RY]

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;26641326]Oh thanks, But I dont think there is anything good on it. Nanaimo is my location.
[URL]http://nanaimo.en.craigslist.ca/[/URL]

[editline]11th December 2010[/editline]

I used to have a monitor that had the coloured cables that you plug in, I ditched it 2 years ago though :(, It was 21"[/QUOTE]

The ones all around you are meh, the one that I saw that caught my eye was the one in Vancouver; but its 3 hours away so damn. The HP p1230 looks perfect for you though, its the same as my p1130 but one size up so its 22". It is a diamondtron, which is still trinitron flatscreen. It has the same resolution specs as mines so you would be able to do 120hz no problem for most monitors. Its also one of the nicer looking CRTs, silver bezel with a charcoal case. You would have to pick them up though.
[url=http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/sys/2106825077.html]This is the one I'm talking about.[/url]
[img]http://images.craigslist.org/3k33mc3l45O55Q15P6aca242a43c9114f1fe6.jpg[/img]

[Whatisthis]

[QUOTE=Odellus;26641067]He told me 300 and I just looked it up and it says 92.6. Huh.[/QUOTE]

Fuck that, It doesn't way 2 times as much as my 50 inch plasma.

93 lbs sounds bout rite.

[Dr Nick]

I know someone who just got a third FW900, but he doesn't use them together, he swaps them out every month.

[doonbugie2]

[QUOTE=Dr Nick;26643644]I know someone who just got a third FW900, but he doesn't use them together, he swaps them out every month.[/QUOTE]
Why?

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

[QUOTE=4RT1LL3RY;26642474]The ones all around you are meh, the one that I saw that caught my eye was the one in Vancouver; but its 3 hours away so damn. The HP p1230 looks perfect for you though, its the same as my p1130 but one size up so its 22". It is a diamondtron, which is still trinitron flatscreen. It has the same resolution specs as mines so you would be able to do 120hz no problem for most monitors. Its also one of the nicer looking CRTs, silver bezel with a charcoal case. You would have to pick them up though.
[URL="http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/sys/2106825077.html"]This is the one I'm talking about.[/URL]
[img_thumb]http://images.craigslist.org/3k33mc3l45O55Q15P6aca242a43c9114f1fe6.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Dam, I wish I lived in Vancouver, I can't swim the Strait of Georgia. And it probably isnt worth taking a ferry over for the cost of the monitors.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

I just emailed a computer store abit far away, they had some massive CRT's but they arent flat.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

Also, are there any reasons I should not get a CRT? Other than bulk and weight.

[mstenger404]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;26641781]The only thing special with the "3D TVs" is that they have a port for the device that synchronizes with your glasses built in. That's kind of nice if you want to watch broadcast TV in 3D, but it's not so useful for a computer monitor since all the video is coming out of your computer and you could easily hook up a synchronization device to that.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

Also, Nvidia's 3D technology (can't remember the name anymore) is pretty dumb. It actually checks your monitor to see if it's approved. If your monitor isn't approved it will refuse to do 3D itself. At work we got around this by redoing our content to do stereo display by itself instead of through the Nvidia driver.
We're just passing frames through the driver at 120hz now instead of letting the Nvidia driver separate the images because Nvidia is bullshit.[/QUOTE]

In that case, In the off chance my parents got a 3D LED tv from some random manufacturer, would I not be able to use those 3D glasses with Nvidia's emitter? What about Nvidia's glasses with a generic tv's emitter?

[PvtCupcakes]

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;26649717]
Also, are there any reasons I should not get a CRT? Other than bulk and weight.[/QUOTE]

This isn't really a big deal, but I always hated having to readjust the image on CRTs. With LCDs the image always fits the screen perfectly, but with some of the CRTs I've used you had to constantly move the image's size and position to get it to fit. And even then you could never get it to fit perfectly.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

[QUOTE=mstenger404;26651355]In that case, In the off chance my parents got a 3D LED tv from some random manufacturer, would I not be able to use those 3D glasses with Nvidia's emitter? What about Nvidia's glasses with a generic tv's emitter?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure about that. I think the problem only occurs if you use an Nvidia GPU on a PC. If you're just watching a movie from a set top Blu-Ray player then I don't know.

[odellus]

snip

[doonbugie2]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;26652328]This isn't really a big deal, but I always hated having to readjust the image on CRTs. With LCDs the image always fits the screen perfectly, but with some of the CRTs I've used you had to constantly move the image's size and position to get it to fit. And even then you could never get it to fit perfectly.

[/QUOTE]
Augh, yeah. I hate it when they get out of position every time they are turned off.
Something about LCD screens I really love. I dont know.

[4RT1LL3RY]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;26652328]This isn't really a big deal, but I always hated having to readjust the image on CRTs. With LCDs the image always fits the screen perfectly, but with some of the CRTs I've used you had to constantly move the image's size and position to get it to fit. And even then you could never get it to fit perfectly.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

I'm not sure about that. I think the problem only occurs if you use an Nvidia GPU on a PC. If you're just watching a movie from a set top Blu-Ray player then I don't know.[/QUOTE]

I never had problems with geometry on any flat CRT I've had. As long as I'm at a resolution and refresh rate I have set properly it stays how I set it.

[M_B]

[QUOTE=Odellus;26622662]Wasn't NVIDIA's old 3D just converting every frame to an anaglyph? You need 120Hz so each image can be 60Hz with stereoscopic 3D.[/QUOTE]no, it used LCD shudder, and read again, it didn't have to be 120Hz back then, so what i'm asking is why does that matter, now? for LCD it only matters because the only 3D capable LCDs happen to be 120Hz.

It's not like every 3D game is going to be able to run at 60FPS per image anyway

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

[QUOTE=Odellus;26640722]I have a friend who has that. He uses a gorilla rack as a desk because the thing weighs over 300 lbs. He says once he goes into the Air Force, he'd sell it to me for $150 including shipping (according to him, you actually have to contract a moving company to bring it to you).[/QUOTE]

he's funny with the numbers, it weighs 95lbs
[url]http://www0.epinions.com/review/Sony_GDM_FW900_24___22_5__Viewable__Color_Monitor__CRT_Monitors_GDM_FW900/content_25096851076[/url]

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;26654127]Augh, yeah. I hate it when they get out of position every time they are turned off.
Something about LCD screens I really love. I dont know.[/QUOTE]

it shouldn't happen when you turn it off, and you should only have to do it once assuming you do everything at the same exact resolution.

still, it's a bitch to get the geometry perfect, and in my opinion even though they can usually do really high resolutions they still look a bit blurry at said resolution

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

[QUOTE=4RT1LL3RY;26654274]I never had problems with geometry on any flat CRT I've had. As long as I'm at a resolution and refresh rate I have set properly it stays how I set it.[/QUOTE]

right, any good one saves the geometry settings per resolution

[odellus]

[QUOTE=M_B;26657307]no, it used LCD shudder, and read again, it didn't have to be 120Hz back then, so what i'm asking is why does that matter, now? for LCD it only matters because the only 3D capable LCDs happen to be 120Hz.

It's not like every 3D game is going to be able to run at 60FPS per image anyway

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

he's funny with the numbers, it weighs 95lbs
[url]http://www0.epinions.com/review/Sony_GDM_FW900_24___22_5__Viewable__Color_Monitor__CRT_Monitors_GDM_FW900/content_25096851076[/url]

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

it shouldn't happen when you turn it off, and you should only have to do it once assuming you do everything at the same exact resolution.

still, it's a bitch to get the geometry perfect, and in my opinion even though they can usually do really high resolutions they still look a bit blurry at said resolution[/QUOTE]

I really doubt the old NVIDIA 3D method was shutter, and if it wasn't 120Hz and was able to be used at 60Hz you'd only be able to see 30 FPS or 30Hz for each eye which would be awful.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

And yes I know we covered that.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

Yes the old NVIDIA method was, in fact, anaglyph based, or as NVIDIA calls it, "consumer 3D stereo".

[Whatisthis]

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;26649717]Why?

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

Dam, I wish I lived in Vancouver, I can't swim the Strait of Georgia. And it probably isnt worth taking a ferry over for the cost of the monitors.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

I just emailed a computer store abit far away, they had some massive CRT's but they arent flat.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

Also, are there any reasons I should not get a CRT? Other than bulk and weight.[/QUOTE]

Brutal Power consumption I guess.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

I wish I had an FW900...

[doonbugie2]

[QUOTE=Kel|oggs;26657582]Brutal Power consumption I guess.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

I wish I had an FW900...[/QUOTE]
Why would you wish for that when you can wish something better. Like peace on earth.

[M_B]

[QUOTE=Odellus;26657502]I really doubt the old NVIDIA 3D method was shutter, and if it wasn't 120Hz and was able to be used at 60Hz you'd only be able to see 30 FPS or 30Hz for each eye which would be awful.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

And yes I know we covered that.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

Yes the old NVIDIA method was, in fact, anaglyph based, or as NVIDIA calls it, "consumer 3D stereo".[/QUOTE]

[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__TYvH-JcH8g/S2AusiKY5vI/AAAAAAAAAH0/cC4hLalBLl4/s400/dlp_3d_specs_1.jpg[/img]
it used ugly things like that which happened to be wired

is that somehow anaglyph?

[8BitLord]

My shitty monitor has so much ghost shit on it.

[odellus]

[QUOTE=M_B;26659418][img_thumb]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__TYvH-JcH8g/S2AusiKY5vI/AAAAAAAAAH0/cC4hLalBLl4/s400/dlp_3d_specs_1.jpg[/img_thumb]
it used ugly things like that which happened to be wired

is that somehow anaglyph?[/QUOTE]

This was before that.

[Whatisthis]

Fuck it, I'm going to buy an FW900 once I get enough cash, Time to start saving, I will soon be able to run games at low resolutions without them looking like shit!, or Run older games at Ultra high resolutions, making them look amazing!

CRT's = Best fucking screens!

And What resolutions do you have to be on for it to do 120hz?

Or maybe not... It might be a bitch at 100lbs...

[M_B]

[QUOTE=Odellus;26659560]This was before that.[/QUOTE]which was before what?

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

if you mean that the 3D being used with CRTs that I was referring to was before 3D Vision, yeah, I think I mentioned that, 3D Vision is only 2-3 years old.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

and yes it did use LCD shutter technology, it's extremely old technology that's just taken forever to be nearly perfected

[odellus]

[QUOTE=M_B;26661306]which was before what?

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

if you mean that the 3D being used with CRTs that I was referring to was before 3D Vision, yeah, I think I mentioned that, 3D Vision is only 2-3 years old.

[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]

and yes it did use LCD shutter technology, it's extremely old technology that's just taken forever to be nearly perfected[/QUOTE]

NVIDIA's anaglyph method was the first 3D they ever implemented.

[doonbugie2]

[QUOTE=Kel|oggs;26661262]Fuck it, I'm going to buy an FW900 once I get enough cash, Time to start saving, I will soon be able to run games at low resolutions without them looking like shit!, or Run older games at Ultra high resolutions, making them look amazing!

CRT's = Best fucking screens!

And What resolutions do you have to be on for it to do 120hz?

Or maybe not... It might be a bitch at 100lbs...[/QUOTE]
So, frieght shipping I presume?

[Whatisthis]

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;26663465]So, frieght shipping I presume?[/QUOTE]

Yea...

Fuck it, I'd rather have the desk space.

This? (Dell 3007WFP-WC)
[img]http://mgeisler.net/images/dell3007wfp.jpg[/img]

Or This: (Acer 120hz)

[img]http://3dvision-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/acer-gd245hq-120hz-lcd-monitor.jpg[/img]

[M_B]

[QUOTE=Odellus;26662404]NVIDIA's anaglyph method was the first 3D they ever implemented.[/QUOTE]

iirc it wasn't nvidia's own technology or software, still depended on drivers, they were panasonic, i think. you however you still controlled it within the nvidia control panel from a certain point on