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[QUOTE=Kaabii;40077277]And Engadget said the Galaxy Nexus on ICS was buttery smooth, but it wasn't and still isn't. I honestly want someone who has experience in FPS game benchmarking to take a look at these devices and give their opinions, because I hear "zero lag" and "buttery smooth" all the time from Android users when I see blatant framerate slowdowns and areas where animations will stutter on the same devices. Also GS3 smooth is pretty much zero lag, in the launcher anyway. Unless you put like ten million badly programmed widgets.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the issue is that it's hard to notice the small hesitations. The camera on the One is kind of meh to be honest. It's solid but next gen they pretty much need to bump up sensor size to Nokia N8 levels, camera hump be damned. [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] Seriously, if they could clamp the camera hump to sub 13mm with the sensor size of the N8 but at 8MP or just a straight doubling of the camera sensor area and then improve OIS and optics, it would probably be one of the best camera phones of 2014. HTC keeps overhyping the camera on their phones, which are good but not amazing. It's time that they made something that lives up to the hype.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;40077277]And Engadget said the Galaxy Nexus on ICS was buttery smooth, but it wasn't and still isn't. I honestly want someone who has experience in FPS game benchmarking to take a look at these devices and give their opinions, because I hear "zero lag" and "buttery smooth" all the time from Android users when I see blatant framerate slowdowns and areas where animations will stutter on the same devices. Also GS3 smooth is pretty much zero lag, in the launcher anyway. Unless you put like ten million badly programmed widgets.[/QUOTE] A lot of Android users for whatever reason seem unable to notice stuttering. I've pretty much given up trying to get opinions on the smoothness of roms before flashing them, since user reviews always proclaim how "buttery smooth" it is, and it's anything but. I've ended up back on stock since every rom I've tried has been disappointing in comparison. (Including CM10.1) A similar thing happened with the 4.2 update to the Galaxy Nexus. I noticed that my phone was a lot less smooth and stuttered more often than before, but asking on forums just got answers denying there was a problem at all. Youtube videos/"reviews" of 4.2 on the Gnex backed up my experience, so I rolled back to 4.1 for a while. Thankfully 4.2.2 fixed most of my issues other than the annoying delay between when you press the power button and when the screen-off animation plays.
Generally, Android users say "buttery smooth" or "zero lag" when they mean "generally pretty smooth right out of the box".
[QUOTE=sdwise;40077467]Generally, Android users say "buttery smooth" or "zero lag" when they mean "generally pretty smooth right out of the box".[/QUOTE] install cyanogenmod
[QUOTE=sdwise;40077467]Generally, Android users say "buttery smooth" or "zero lag" when they mean "generally pretty smooth right out of the box".[/QUOTE] Do they just have...like...non adapted eyes? I'm not trying to be mean but any of my friends with iPhones or the odd Lumia 920 owner notices how much better it is compared to their friends Android devices, they can see how 60fps scrolling is visibly more fluid than when some Android phone is having trouble and drops to like 45fps. Is it just eye adaptation like you'd experience if you were used to playing FPS games at 60fps and then got stuck playing on an Xbox 360? I know that's how it happened for me after going from some crappy laptop to an actual gaming rig, and now I sort of notice it everywhere. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;40077333]Yeah, the issue is that it's hard to notice the small hesitations. The camera on the One is kind of meh to be honest. It's solid but next gen they pretty much need to bump up sensor size to Nokia N8 levels, camera hump be damned. [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] Seriously, if they could clamp the camera hump to sub 13mm with the sensor size of the N8 but at 8MP or just a straight doubling of the camera sensor area and then improve OIS and optics, it would probably be one of the best camera phones of 2014. HTC keeps overhyping the camera on their phones, which are good but not amazing. It's time that they made something that lives up to the hype.[/QUOTE] OK but, the rest of the phone looks spectacular. I'm honestly excited for it. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] Also I think I'll buy the HTC One because if I buy an Apple phone it'll break. Steve Jobs has been haunting all my iPads and breaking them since I wasn't a fan of him while he was alive, so he'll probably sabotage an iPhone too. I'm sure with the hardware in the One it'll be more than sufficient fluidity wise. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] Also blinkfeed looks cool. I want blinkfeed on all my devices.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;40076193]Yea but my email told me of a free copy of Ice Age. No where to be found. Doesn't matter, I have a few movies I can put on it.[/QUOTE] I found my free shit in Google Music/Movies, right there. a BSE song and Ice Age [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=sdwise;40077467]Generally, Android users say "buttery smooth" or "zero lag" when they mean "generally pretty smooth right out of the box".[/QUOTE] What are people doing that makes it otherwise, seriously?
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40077579] What are people doing that makes it otherwise, seriously?[/QUOTE] The problem is whether or not those people will honestly notice whether something is 30 or 45 or 60fps or whatever. I know my father sure can't, nor can my mother or my brother, so to them it's perfectly fine. For me, I have yet to pull an Android phone out of a box and have it feel "buttery smooth" because they just aren't for me. Since they're 60Hz displays, as are most displays people use, the metric for "perfect" smoothness within the hardware constraints in place, is typically 60fps. So while it may be perfectly smooth feeling to someone, it's inaccurate to say so based on a personal preference rather than what the maximum possibility is. Also as for "what are people doing". I've found all my Android devices just degrade in performance over time, and as I install more apps. Lots of widgets can also cause issues in the launcher from what I've tested on devices like the Note II and One X etc.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;40077669]The problem is whether or not those people will honestly notice whether something is 30 or 45 or 60fps or whatever. I know my father sure can't, nor can my mother or my brother, so to them it's perfectly fine. For me, I have yet to pull an Android phone out of a box and have it feel "buttery smooth" because they just aren't for me. Since they're 60Hz displays, as are most displays people use, the metric for "perfect" smoothness within the hardware constraints in place, is typically 60fps. So while it may be perfectly smooth feeling to someone, it's inaccurate to say so based on a personal preference rather than what the maximum possibility is. Also as for "what are people doing". I've found all my Android devices just degrade in performance over time, and as I install more apps. Lots of widgets can also cause issues in the launcher from what I've tested on devices like the Note II and One X etc.[/QUOTE] I have used many launchers, many widgets, many apps, and I never experience any kind of degradation in the user interface I use my N7 pretty much all day every day, and nothing ever happens to how 'smooth' it is. Ever [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] And it's not that I just don't notice it, either. I work with displays a lot, I can seriously notice a drop from 60FPS to 45.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40077698]I have used many launchers, many widgets, many apps, and I never experience any kind of degradation in the user interface I use my N7 pretty much all day every day, and nothing ever happens to how 'smooth' it is. Ever[/QUOTE] I know Sgtnapalm has on his N7, and I think I remember Ezhik saying it happened to him too.
Maybe it's just the kind of applications and widgets people use, though. I don't have very many applications installed, and none that are very intensive/running in the background But it hasn't ever hit a point where it just drops dead slow, I don't know how people can make that happen. After installing a new ROM like a week ago after using the same install for months, I didn't notice any speed changes. Just felt the exact same.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40077698] And it's not that I just don't notice it, either. I work with displays a lot, I can seriously notice a drop from 60FPS to 45.[/QUOTE] Uh, the N7 is not 60fps a lot of the time. I'm sorry but it just isn't, I've spent hours with the N7 both just playing with it(with an iPad beside for reference), and when I was helping set up the Android SDK for the Java courses at my high school. Even flipping through the app drawer could stutter or go sluggish during the transition from apps to widgets, and that's just scrolling left and right with static icons.
I know it's not, and I do notice that. I never said it did [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] There is one place where it's never been very smooth especially, scrolling through the widget pages. It's a lot worse than in the apps page for some reason
Sorry, [quote]I use my N7 pretty much all day every day, and nothing ever happens to how 'smooth' it is. Ever And it's not that I just don't notice it, either. I work with displays a lot, I can seriously notice a drop from 60FPS to 45.[/quote] I thought that implied you were saying it did.
Bad wording on my part, I never said that it does run at 60fps constantly, but it never fluctuates that much. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] At least nowhere near as much as people seem to say it does, anyways.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40077736] There is one place where it's never been very smooth especially, scrolling through the widget pages. It's a lot worse than in the apps page for some reason[/QUOTE] My complaint there is that they don't seem to be cached, but the app icons are. A lot of times you'll swipe over to widgets and it'll reload the pictures, which is pretty much impossible to do while keeping the animation going fluidly at the same time. But I've never really hit the app drawer button and had them not be there. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40077761]Bad wording on my part, I never said that it does run at 60fps constantly, but it never fluctuates that much. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] At least nowhere near as much as people seem to say it does, anyways.[/QUOTE] I thought it was irritating and honestly I'm glad I never bought one, although at $200 I REALLY can't complain about how well it runs consider its $400 older brother runs way worse. I actually was going to buy the N7 until I heard no video out even with the pogo pins. Erm speaking of potential upgrades or features. What's the current belief about a Nexus 7 successor? It's been nearly a year and I'd imagine Google will release some sort of new 7" slate. Maybe with a bit less bezel and a Qualcomm CPU? Oh and a different LCD supplier would be cool but again, $200.
Unlocking the device is a little finicky at times too, it seems to be delayed a bit 8/10 times when I hit the power button, and sometimes It takes up to 5 seconds just to show the lockscreen, but I guess that's probably a little more device specific, my Desire HD doesn't do it to the same extent [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kaabii;40077775]My complaint there is that they don't seem to be cached, but the app icons are. A lot of times you'll swipe over to widgets and it'll reload the pictures, which is pretty much impossible to do while keeping the animation going fluidly at the same time. But I've never really hit the app drawer button and had them not be there. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] I thought it was irritating and honestly I'm glad I never bought one, although at $200 I REALLY can't complain about how well it runs consider its $400 older brother runs way worse. I actually was going to buy the N7 until I heard no video out even with the pogo pins. Erm speaking of potential upgrades or features. What's the current belief about a Nexus 7 successor? It's been nearly a year and I'd imagine Google will release some sort of new 7" slate. Maybe with a bit less bezel and a Qualcomm CPU? Oh and a different LCD supplier would be cool but again, $200.[/QUOTE] A 1080x1920 screen is pretty much guaranteed honestly, even if it doesn't provide much benefit/Google fucks up calibration again, people want to hear that it's getting one. Thinner bezels are probably going to be there too, considering it has to compete with the iPad Mini. More RAM sounds probable too. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] Also a stronger glass panel, the current glass is a little weak.
1920x1080 at 7", which means 16:9, or they could do 1920x1200 for 16:10. Regardless, that seems unlikely in my opinion. At that PPI you'd be using LTPS unless Sharp comes through, which would be very very expensive, and with the required increase in CPU/GPU power plus the exponential increase in required battery capacity, it probably wouldn't stay at $200. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] Just for comparison, the Kindle Fire HD 8.9" is 1920x1200 but it's 254ppi so it's likely an amorphous Silicon panel which is cheaper to produce, and it only has an OMAP4470. That retails for $270 for 16GB.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40077579]I found my free shit in Google Music/Movies, right there. a BSE song and Ice Age [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] What are people doing that makes it otherwise, seriously?[/QUOTE] Nope got nothin. Maybe it's because I'm Canadian and it's region specific.
The biggest issue I see with lag is while stuff is populating. Like, when the app list (not the app drawer) is populating, when a webpage is rendering (which fails half the time and asks to force close). I din't run many background services either (just the things I want to sync and my widgets). I kill the rest with ZD box on screen off. Also any time apps are updating, my phone pretty much becomes a brick until they're done. [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] FUCK MY PAGEKINGS!
I'm liking Nightly browser on my phone, it's decent and hasn't force closed itself like dolphin.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;40077775] Erm speaking of potential upgrades or features. What's the current belief about a Nexus 7 successor? It's been nearly a year and I'd imagine Google will release some sort of new 7" slate. Maybe with a bit less bezel and a Qualcomm CPU? Oh and a different LCD supplier would be cool but again, $200.[/QUOTE] Rumours that I've seen floating around are ASUS again, 1080p (not a specified aspect ratio), Snapdragon S4 Pro, 2GB RAM and $250
[img]http://i.minus.com/iZyItlll4p17l.png[/img] This is the kind of thing that gets to me. I didn't know there was a hardware company called "Android". [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] This is also the "average" consumer. As power users and/or android enthusiasts, we forget that sometimes.
Okay so now that I've played with my Nexus 7 a bit I just have a couple of questions. First being, I live in an apartment building and was waiting for the UPS guy to show up. When he did (I saw him on the security camera while I was waiting) he buzzed in to someone else and went in. He never once knocked on my door or buzzed my apartment number. But after about an hour or being confused and after checking my order online (said it was delivered) I stepped outside my door only to find my package sitting there. Ready for just anyone to take...does UPS do this all the time? Also I'm assuming that having about 67% battery power after about 5-6 hours of near constant use is good and is perfectly normal if not optimal? I already had Juice Defender Ultimate for my phone so I put that on my Nexus just for added measure. And finally, I was told to be vigilant regarding the quality of the Nexus 7 as faulty models aren't unheard of. I noticed that on one side while viewing it from a 45 degree angle that there is a bit of a lip where the rest is perfectly normal. I haven't had any issues thus far and it doesn't feel like anything is loose, should I be concerned?
I don't own a nexus 7, but I did quite a bit of in-depth research when I was in the tablet market. UPS is supposed to knock/buzz/whatever so you can sign for the package. You may consider reporting it. That's not bad at all. You may consider removing juice defender for a few cycles to test, because it can be detrimental to battery life in itself. Yes, theere are some known trouble spots on the Nexus 7's build. Just keep an eye out over time and if it develops looseness, unevenness, or a "popping" feeling when applying pressure to then letting go of the screen edges, you may consider a return. But really, these things are minor and really should only bother the slightly OCD.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;40077539]OK but, the rest of the phone looks spectacular. I'm honestly excited for it. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] Also I think I'll buy the HTC One because if I buy an Apple phone it'll break. Steve Jobs has been haunting all my iPads and breaking them since I wasn't a fan of him while he was alive, so he'll probably sabotage an iPhone too. I'm sure with the hardware in the One it'll be more than sufficient fluidity wise. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] Also blinkfeed looks cool. I want blinkfeed on all my devices.[/QUOTE] The camera is good don't get me wrong, it's just that if you really love taking landscape pictures you won't get the detail you want. The only way to fix that is higher resolution, and if HTC wants to keep everything else that made the camera good they have to up the sensor size.
hey idiots whining about things you really shouldn't be whining about for a 200 dollar tablet GUESS WHAT? tasker is on sale for 2 dollars!!
That's not very nice.
As sdwise said Juice Defender, for me at least, may have worsened battery life so it may last longer without it. Any kind of "Battery Saving" App has either worked in the opposite effect or doesn't work at all, even with Snapdragon's BatteryGuru it slowed down many devices.
[QUOTE=sdwise;40079734]I don't own a nexus 7, but I did quite a bit of in-depth research when I was in the tablet market. UPS is supposed to knock/buzz/whatever so you can sign for the package. You may consider reporting it. That's not bad at all. You may consider removing juice defender for a few cycles to test, because it can be detrimental to battery life in itself. Yes, theere are some known trouble spots on the Nexus 7's build. Just keep an eye out over time and if it develops looseness, unevenness, or a "popping" feeling when applying pressure to then letting go of the screen edges, you may consider a return. But really, these things are minor and really should only bother the slightly OCD.[/QUOTE] Yea I'm highly considering reporting it. I don't trust my neighbors so it sucks he did that. And I uninstalled juice defender for now as you suggested. Thanks for the quick reply, it relieves me to know that I don't have a faulty nexus.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;40079900]Yea I'm highly considering reporting it. I don't trust my neighbors so it sucks he did that. And I uninstalled juice defender for now as you suggested. Thanks for the quick reply, it relieves me to know that I don't have a faulty nexus.[/QUOTE] Can't hurt to report it, but I'm having a hard time tracking down the company policy. Just a bunch of forum threads.
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