[QUOTE=ShaRose_;21136521]Exactly, but it's bad since there are open standards that do the same thing. Marketing is all nvidia really has going for it at the moment, which is depressing.[/QUOTE]
so
wait
you think it's bad that
bad that a company is
good at marketing?
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welp i think we've gotten enough, we'll give you a call in a week or two, on your way out, send the next loon on in.
[QUOTE=acds;21136356]That's the point. It's competition, Nvidia makes something exclusive to their cards so people will buy their card instead of a competitor's.[/QUOTE]
If it would ever have a hope of taking off so that it could become more than optional eye candy a closed standard doesn't work. No developer, not even TWIMTBP developers would make an Nvidia exclusive game.
That's the point. At this point it's a petty marketing gimmick and not an actual feature. There's a few demo games like the Cellfactor thing, and even that runs decently on CPU. But ultimately to be used integrally in games it needs to be open.
[QUOTE=ShaRose_;21136521]Exactly, but it's bad since there are open standards that do the same thing. Marketing is all nvidia really has going for it at the moment, which is depressing.[/QUOTE]
Now you're just digging a deeper hole.
Using nvidia's closed tech stuff is bad for developers too, unless nvidia pays them a lot to compensate for lost sales.
[QUOTE=johanz;21140712]Using nvidia's closed tech stuff is bad for developers too, unless nvidia pays them a lot to compensate for lost sales.[/QUOTE]
Lost sales?
Except for maybe Cryostasis which was marketed as pretty much a game-length tech demo (and even then you can still run it without Physx albeit with no water and ice (a core part of the gameplay)), games in which Physx have been added have only succeeded in adding superfluous stuff that in no way affects gameplay. I've seen many, MANY people play Mirror's Edge on ATI cards, and they're not really concerned with the loss of the occaisional flag, super-reflective glass that acts like a fucking mirror, or that plastic that's seen on that one scaffolding level that breaks somewhat realistically.
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I'm all for the use of open standards and whatnot, but you have to realize that the whole point of the closed standard known as Physx is to be a rather shallow marketing tool.
ITT: Fucking raging flamewar nobody can control
Had a dream last night. I was at microcenter and got a 480 early.. it overclocked to 950 MHz core.
I shoulda ran some benches before i woke up :mad:
[QUOTE=whatnow v3;21143676]Had a dream last night. I was at microcenter and got a 480 early.. it overclocked to 950 MHz core.
I shoulda ran some benches before i woke up :mad:[/QUOTE]
Trust me, running benches are dangerous
[QUOTE=johanz;21145382]Trust me, running benches are dangerous[/QUOTE]
You might trip over one.
[QUOTE=FunnyGamer;21146454]You might trip over one.[/QUOTE]
Or it might trip over YOU.
[QUOTE=johanz;21147637]Or it might trip over YOU.[/QUOTE]
or it might set your house on fire
[QUOTE=rampageturke;21149674]or it might set your house on fire[/QUOTE]
Or cut your balls off, sell them to a Krogan and then kill you by drawing your blood and making you drink it.
Poor Matthew...
On Overclockers, the cheapest GTX 470 ([url]http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-018-SK[/url]) is more expensive than the cheapest 5870 ([url]http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-214-SP[/url]). I find that absurdly hilarious.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;21150852]On Overclockers, the cheapest GTX 470 ([url]http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-018-SK[/url]) is more expensive than the cheapest 5870 ([url]http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-214-SP[/url]). I find that absurdly hilarious.[/QUOTE]
something to do with a change in difference between the pound and dollar, 5830 had the same problem
[QUOTE=Wiggles;21150852]On Overclockers, the cheapest GTX 470 ([url]http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-018-SK[/url]) is more expensive than the cheapest 5870 ([url]http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-214-SP[/url]). I find that absurdly hilarious.[/QUOTE]
I'm so glad I don't live in the UK. You guys get all the tough breaks. :frown:
[QUOTE=Odellus;21153056]I'm so glad I don't live in the UK. You guys get all the tough breaks. :frown:[/QUOTE]
continental europe aren't exactly having a ball either.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;21153252]You probably woke up because the unimaginable heat of the 480 running at that speed set the oxygen in the atmosphere of your dream world alight.[/QUOTE]
Yes let's all stroke eachother's boners about the GTX 470/480's massive heat ouput while disregarding the fact that they were made to withstand that heat as well as the fact that it takes two seconds to change the fanspeed. :downs:
I mean seriously on EVERY Nvidia card the fan speed is set at an automatic 40% until it breaks the 90 Celsius threshold.
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Which was hilarious on previous drivers when they throttled themselves at about 91 to low 2d clocks and would only reset on a reboot.
it pretty much shows the current state of fanboyism by how no one even cares about the price/performance and continue to go on about a few nearly insignificant things and repeat memes 20 times a page like good little /g/imps
[QUOTE=FunnyGamer;21153821]Yes let's all stroke eachother's boners about the GTX 470/480's massive heat ouput while disregarding the fact that they were made to withstand that heat as well as the fact that it takes two seconds to change the fanspeed. :downs:
I mean seriously on EVERY Nvidia card the fan speed is set at an automatic 40% until it breaks the 90 Celsius threshold.
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Which was hilarious on previous drivers when they throttled themselves at about 91 to low 2d clocks and would only reset on a reboot.[/QUOTE]
The GTX 470/480 is hot. I bet I could fry an egg on it.
How long does the factory warranty last? I bet the PCB will break in half from the heat only a few weeks after the warranty expires.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;21154643]The GTX 470/480 is hot. I bet I could fry an egg on it.
How long does the factory warranty last? I bet the PCB will break in half from the heat only a few weeks after the warranty expires.[/QUOTE]
Varies by manufacturer, but I know that EVGA puts a lifetime warranty on their cards, and acts on it so long as you don't break it yourself and the card instead fails on its own terms.
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[QUOTE=Inacio;21155192]I have a friend that showed me a video of him frying an egg on a 9800GTX. It wasn't working anyway, but when the eggs got inside it it just stopped working :v:[/QUOTE]
I think he forgot the tin foil part.
I don't care what anyone says, I need DX11 and I'm getting a 470. Also the 470 looks AWESOME.
[QUOTE=FunnyGamer;21153821]Yes let's all stroke eachother's boners about the GTX 470/480's massive heat ouput while disregarding the fact that they were made to withstand that heat as well as the fact that it takes two seconds to change the fanspeed. :downs:[/QUOTE]
Yeah lets be serious nvidia-analdickfag when someone makes a unserious joke
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[QUOTE=FunnyGamer;21155657]I think he forgot the tin foil part.[/QUOTE]
Problem with tin foil is that the heat isn't really transfered through it as good as you might think
[QUOTE=reapaninja;21154384]it pretty much shows the current state of fanboyism by how no one even cares about the price/performance and continue to go on about a few nearly insignificant things and repeat memes 20 times a page like good little /g/imps[/QUOTE]
Yep, if this was 2005, half the thread would either be banned or permabanned (mostly for memecrap, and some for fanboyism).
There are Nvidia fanboys too, but as I said before the fanboys migrate from Nvidia to ATI (and vice versa), during the GeForce 8000-series/9000-series the Nvidia fanboys were flooding everything, now with the 4000 and 5000 series hey have switched over to ATI. Next good Nvidia generation or bad ATI generation and it'll turn around again.
[QUOTE=broo20;21158841]I don't care what anyone says, I need DX11 and I'm getting a 470. Also the 470 looks AWESOME.[/QUOTE]
Well, do it :smug:
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/sarcasm off
[QUOTE=PelPix123;21154752]Eggs fry at 70, which is about 25 degrees colder than the 480's full-load furmark temperature after running for a few minutes.
We can't say this is amazing, because the 5870 can also fry eggs by a margin of 5-15 degrees above egg-frying temperature. The margin of difference is small, and if the card is built to run hot, then it's not a problem.
Arguing about the heat of the 480 has no point unless you can't pay for air conditioning. The only valid criticism is the power consumption and price point.[/QUOTE]
Despite Nvidia's claims of designing it to run hot, I honestly can't see how you can design a chip at 45nm to withstand temperatures above 95C under load without sacrificing life-time somewhere.
[QUOTE=Shogoll;21159944]Despite Nvidia's claims of designing it to run hot, I honestly can't see how you can design a chip at 45nm to withstand temperatures above 95C under load without sacrificing life-time somewhere.[/QUOTE]
It probably does sacrifice some lifetime, but I doubt anyone who spends 500$ on a GPU will keep it for more than 3-4 years max. So even if it did cut the lifetime from 8 to 7 or 6 years it wouldn't matter that much.
Still I too would have preferred a few (like 15) degrees less.
These days you can just replace the cooling systems anyways.
We need a premium performance GFX fan. really.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;21161059]These days you can just replace the cooling systems anyways.[/QUOTE]
Which also voids your warranty
I wouldn't do it on a $600 card, especially when we really don't know yet how reliable it is
[QUOTE=opaali;21161182]Which also voids your warranty
I wouldn't do it on a $600 card, especially when we really don't know yet how reliable it is[/QUOTE]
i dont think you void the warranty on XFX cards
Well heat isnt really a defining factor for me, neither is Electricity because where i come from is either FREE or extremely cheap.
That just leaves price.
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