Bunch of nerds in this thread arguing over trivialities.
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[QUOTE=Odellus;21214985]5770... there's no point in buying it.[/QUOTE]
[b]I'm gonna contradict myself here[/b] by saying that you don't know what you're talking about. For its price/performance range it's the best deal you can get at this time. The HD4870 and HD4890 have incredible driver issues and microstuttering problems. The GTX 260 is huge and uses more power than the HD5770. It also has REALLY bad overheating issues. I used the 260 in a build for a friend and his case has turned into an oven, even with proper ventilation (two 120mm fans). Another friend of mine has had to underclock his 260 and turn the fan speed to maximum to avoid artifacting due to overheating. I've used the HD5770 in several client builds and I've gotten nothing but positive feedback.
[QUOTE=ph0ne;21228974]The HD4870 and HD4890 have incredible driver issues and microstuttering problems.[/QUOTE]
How do single cards suffer from micro stuttering? And this is a drop in the ocean but my 4870 drivers driver have crashed once in the last 6 months
I've actually heard the 5770 has microstuttering issues.
This is part of the reason why I wanted to wait until nVidia's option, but price/performance ATI clearly wins on ALL fronts.
Last time I had an ATI card (X1950) microstuttering was a major issue then as well. The card, despite getting better framerates than my older 7300gt, always FUCKING microstuttered and other issues. It was funny because it felt like my games simply played smoother with my 7300GT even though it ran at lower frames. Which is why I switched to a 9600GT (back again to nvidia) and had no issues at all after I was done with that trash card.
[QUOTE=Roast Beast;21226843]All you posted was a picture, no info about "how well it can do what it does". I thought it looked ugly, so I stated my opinion. I wasn't making any kind of value judgment and I don't give a damn about how parts look when I go to buy them. Stop reading meaning in my comment that isn't there.[/QUOTE]so that's why you said it was ugly and the evga one looked better
right
[QUOTE=M_B;21231339]so that's why you said it was ugly and the evga one looked better
right[/QUOTE]
Comparing appearances =/= saying one is better than the other. Why is it so hard to take my post at face value?
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Besides, why would I even want to say that one water cooled card is better than another? I have no interest in water cooling.
[QUOTE=ph0ne;21228974]Bunch of nerds in this thread arguing over trivialities.
[editline]04:15PM[/editline]
[b]I'm gonna contradict myself here[/b] by saying that you don't know what you're talking about. For its price/performance range it's the best deal you can get at this time. The HD4870 and HD4890 have incredible driver issues and microstuttering problems. The GTX 260 is huge and uses more power than the HD5770. It also has REALLY bad overheating issues. I used the 260 in a build for a friend and his case has turned into an oven, even with proper ventilation (two 120mm fans). Another friend of mine has had to underclock his 260 and turn the fan speed to maximum to avoid artifacting due to overheating. I've used the HD5770 in several client builds and I've gotten nothing but positive feedback.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. For its price/performance, no, it's not the best deal you can get. A 4890 is miles better for around the same price. The 4870 and 4890 do not suffer from driver issues and don't microstutter (lol?). I have a GTX 260. It's not huge, and once again, power usage does not fucking matter holy mother of god. I have three 80mm fans and one 120mm fan. My GTX 260 does not overheat and I have it slightly overclocked running with the fan at 100%. Your friends must have gotten bad cards or you bought from the shittiest brand possible because I know two other people besides myself that have GTX 260s (one has them in SLI) and they don't suffer from the problems you're talking about. Good job saying I don't know what I'm talking about then fall flat on your face by going on and on about everything but the 5770.
I said it's useless because for what it boasts (DX11 and tessellation) it can't even run either at decent framerates! You're better off getting a 4890.
[QUOTE=Odellus;21234005]Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. For its price/performance, no, it's not the best deal you can get. A 4890 is miles better for around the same price. The 4870 and 4890 do not suffer from driver issues and don't microstutter (lol?). I have a GTX 260. It's not huge, and once again, power usage does not fucking matter holy mother of god. I have three 80mm fans and one 120mm fan. My GTX 260 does not overheat and I have it slightly overclocked running with the fan at 100%. Your friends must have gotten bad cards or you bought from the shittiest brand possible because I know two other people besides myself that have GTX 260s (one has them in SLI) and they don't suffer from the problems you're talking about. Good job saying I don't know what I'm talking about then fall flat on your face by going on and on about everything but the 5770.
I said it's useless because for what it boasts (DX11 and tessellation) it can't even run either at decent framerates! You're better off getting a 4890.[/QUOTE]
yeah, on the 260 part, he sure f*ed up. mine's the coolest card i ever had. i flashed the bios with a 700/1400/1200 OC and changed the fan profile to go above 40% at 55 degrees and peak at 70 degrees celcius. card never goes above 65. and it's much quieter than i expected, perfectly useable.
so, i'd guess his card was faulty on delivery. just shows how easy some people get their whole oppinion formed on ONE bit of data (experience) and then thinks it's appliable to real life in every case.
[QUOTE=Odellus;21234005]Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. For its price/performance, no, it's not the best deal you can get. A 4890 is miles better for around the same price. The 4870 and 4890 do not suffer from driver issues and don't microstutter (lol?). I have a GTX 260. It's not huge, and once again, power usage does not fucking matter holy mother of god. I have three 80mm fans and one 120mm fan. My GTX 260 does not overheat and I have it slightly overclocked running with the fan at 100%. Your friends must have gotten bad cards or you bought from the shittiest brand possible because I know two other people besides myself that have GTX 260s (one has them in SLI) and they don't suffer from the problems you're talking about. Good job saying I don't know what I'm talking about then fall flat on your face by going on and on about everything but the 5770.
I said it's useless because for what it boasts (DX11 and tessellation) it can't even run either at decent framerates! You're better off getting a 4890.[/QUOTE]
The 5770 and the 5870 have exactly the same dedicated, fixed tessellation engine.
[QUOTE=ShaRose_;21236616]The 5770 and the 5870 have exactly the same dedicated, fixed tessellation engine.[/QUOTE]
Point? Shader cores play a part in rendering tessellation as well, which the 5770 has considerably less of in comparison to the 5870.
[QUOTE=Odellus;21234005]Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. For its price/performance, no, it's not the best deal you can get. A 4890 is miles better for around the same price. The 4870 and 4890 do not suffer from driver issues and don't microstutter (lol?). I have a GTX 260. It's not huge, and once again, power usage does not fucking matter holy mother of god. I have three 80mm fans and one 120mm fan. My GTX 260 does not overheat and I have it slightly overclocked running with the fan at 100%. Your friends must have gotten bad cards or you bought from the shittiest brand possible because I know two other people besides myself that have GTX 260s (one has them in SLI) and they don't suffer from the problems you're talking about. Good job saying I don't know what I'm talking about then fall flat on your face by going on and on about everything but the 5770.
I said it's useless because for what it boasts (DX11 and tessellation) it can't even run either at decent framerates! You're better off getting a 4890.[/QUOTE]
Cheapest 4890 I can find is close to $180, cheapest 5770 I can find is $130 (including a mail in rebate and discount code).
i'm personally not all too concerned about price
it's the end product that matters, not whether or not it fits in a silly budget, seeing as usually the difference in price is most of the time rather insignificant when you look at everything else.
plus you know i have a job
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get a job and stop being so concerned about saving. don't be stupid with your money and blow it all, just don't be stupid with the shit you buy and potentially fuck yourself out of getting something better.
[QUOTE=KorJax;21241102]Cheapest 4890 I can find is close to $180, cheapest 5770 I can find is $130 (including a mail in rebate and discount code).[/QUOTE]
omg $50 oh fuck oh fuck we're gonna be poor
[QUOTE=KorJax;21231040]I've actually heard the 5770 has microstuttering issues.
This is part of the reason why I wanted to wait until nVidia's option, but price/performance ATI clearly wins on ALL fronts.
Last time I had an ATI card (X1950) microstuttering was a major issue then as well. The card, despite getting better framerates than my older 7300gt, always FUCKING microstuttered and other issues. It was funny because it felt like my games simply played smoother with my 7300GT even though it ran at lower frames. Which is why I switched to a 9600GT (back again to nvidia) and had no issues at all after I was done with that trash card.[/QUOTE]
my x1950xtx never microstuttered
[QUOTE=KorJax;21241102]including a mail in rebate[/QUOTE]
Never go by the price after mail in rebate.
[QUOTE=Odellus;21242870]omg $50 oh fuck oh fuck we're gonna be poor[/QUOTE]
50 dollars on a computer budget is expensive, you know?
[QUOTE=ADT;21243836]50 dollars on a computer budget is expensive, you know?[/QUOTE]
No, it's not.
[QUOTE=ADT;21243836]50 dollars on a computer budget is expensive, you know?[/QUOTE]
What Odellus said.
And 500$ isn't much either since a 500$ GPU usually lasts 3 to 4 years (500/36=13$ a month, not much for something that allows you to enjoy your hobby).
[QUOTE=ADT;21243836]50 dollars on a computer budget is expensive, you know?[/QUOTE]
hahahahaha
[QUOTE=ADT;21243836]50 dollars on a computer budget is expensive, you know?[/QUOTE]
yeah
except that no it isn't
[QUOTE=Odellus;21242870]omg $50 oh fuck oh fuck we're gonna be poor[/QUOTE]
Uhhh when all you make is $50 in profit every month due to being a student paying bills with a part time job $50 is a big deal
Go play with your parents money and get your GTX480
Also he said budget PC building. There's a big difference between buying for the sake of blowing lots of money and wanted the highest end PC build, and buying on a budget. You can get a DAMN good budget PC if you are smart and know how to spend your money wisely for under $400-$500. And in that case $50 is a big deal for ONE component. Not all of us are flowing with the cash to blow on getting 10 FPS higher in a game you play twice a week.
[QUOTE=Odellus;21234005]Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. For its price/performance, no, it's not the best deal you can get. A 4890 is miles better for around the same price. The 4870 and 4890 do not suffer from driver issues and don't microstutter (lol?). I have a GTX 260. It's not huge, and once again, power usage does not fucking matter holy mother of god. I have three 80mm fans and one 120mm fan. My GTX 260 does not overheat and I have it slightly overclocked running with the fan at 100%. Your friends must have gotten bad cards or you bought from the shittiest brand possible because I know two other people besides myself that have GTX 260s (one has them in SLI) and they don't suffer from the problems you're talking about. Good job saying I don't know what I'm talking about then fall flat on your face by going on and on about everything but the 5770.
I said it's useless because for what it boasts (DX11 and tessellation) it can't even run either at decent framerates! You're better off getting a 4890.[/QUOTE]
The 4800 series, for the most part, sucked ass. A few people may disagree with me simply because they're fanboys, didn't notice these issues, or both. The 4850 is a good card. If you ask me, the only good card in the whole series. But the 4830, 4870 and 4890 are different stories. Both the 4870 and 4890 got horrible performance in Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, and anything with Vsync enabled... Both of the first two games would stutter and bug out frequently. You got a good framerate, but it looked and played like shit. With Vsync enabled on anything, these cards create lines all over the screen, and the the AF looks even worse. GT200's AF is up to 3 times more detailed than ATI's.
AMD's only good series since the 9800 Pro is their newest, the 5800 series. Perfect AF, and decent drivers are emerging. I highly recommend a 5770 over a 4870. The only problem is the hardware in the cards is still piss-weak. A $400 HD 5870 will only fold a decimal better than an $80 9800 GT. Folding = HD video capability = software integration = rendering (to an extent), etc. It's a big deal.
Read here for overheating issues on the GTX 260: [url]http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t78237.html[/url]
Again, you'll probably throw a hissy fit because you're a fanboy.
[QUOTE=ph0ne;21251473]The 4800 series, for the most part, sucked ass. A few people may disagree with me simply because they're fanboys, didn't notice these issues, or both. The 4850 is a good card. If you ask me, the only good card in the whole series. But the 4830, 4870 and 4890 are different stories. Both the 4870 and 4890 got horrible performance in Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, and anything with Vsync enabled... Both of the first two games would stutter and bug out frequently. You got a good framerate, but it looked and played like shit. With Vsync enabled on anything, these cards create lines all over the screen, and the the AF looks even worse. GT200's AF is up to 3 times more detailed than ATI's.
AMD's only good series since the 9800 Pro is their newest, the 5800 series. Perfect AF, and decent drivers are emerging. I highly recommend a 5770 over a 4870. The only problem is the hardware in the cards is still piss-weak. A $400 HD 5870 will only fold a decimal better than an $80 9800 GT. Folding = HD video capability = software integration = rendering (to an extent), etc. It's a big deal.[/QUOTE]
source
[QUOTE=Roast Beast;21251509]source[/QUOTE]
You do know that guy is one of the worst trolls on FP? He isn't even subtle and he's managed to troll you and Odellus now.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;21251942]You do know that guy is one of the worst trolls on FP? He isn't even subtle and he's managed to troll you and Odellus now.[/QUOTE]
Of course I know that, I just wanted to see how he'd respond.
yeeb yeeb yeeb
you guys think these cards will be in compusa and such?
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;21252214]yeeb yeeb yeeb
you guys think these cards will be in compusa and such?[/QUOTE]
...No, they will be in computers.
[QUOTE=KorJax;21248655]Uhhh when all you make is $50 in profit every month due to being a student paying bills with a part time job $50 is a big deal
Go play with your parents money and get your GTX480
Also he said budget PC building. There's a big difference between buying for the sake of blowing lots of money and wanted the highest end PC build, and buying on a budget. You can get a DAMN good budget PC if you are smart and know how to spend your money wisely for under $400-$500. And in that case $50 is a big deal for ONE component. Not all of us are flowing with the cash to blow on getting 10 FPS higher in a game you play twice a week.[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much for understanding what I tried to say, my good sir.
best buy website says they have gtx 470s but i will get one a week after retail date.. so i hope they're not all gone.
