Fermi GeForce = GTX 4XX - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=reapaninja;21254716]and then I stopped reading[/QUOTE] Good for you. [editline]08:39PM[/editline] Oh and fix your bbcode. If you are going to quote me, at least fix it up a little.

So what card should I buy???

[QUOTE=ShaRose_;21255450]Good for you. [editline]08:39PM[/editline] Oh and fix your bbcode. If you are going to quote me, at least fix it up a little.[/QUOTE] you're such an idiot it's not even funny anymore [editline]05:19PM[/editline] also "by Charlie Demerjian " lol

[QUOTE=Roast Beast;21251509]source[/QUOTE] Personal experience, my friend, through cards that I've owned and cards that I've used in client builds. [QUOTE=hexpunK;21251942]You do know that guy is one of the worst trolls on FP? He isn't even subtle and he's managed to troll you and Odellus now.[/QUOTE] ROFL, still trying to play the troll card, right? "UH OH, HE DISAGREES WITH ME SO HE'S DEFINITELY A TROLL."

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;21256541]So what card should I buy???[/QUOTE] Depends on your budget, if youre going for single card and told the budget to go fuck off, go for the 470. if youre worried about Price/performance go for ATi's offerings. from the 5770 to the 5970. You could be a unique bastard and get a Matrox card.

[QUOTE=KorJax;21248655]Uhhh when all you make is $50 in profit every month due to being a student paying bills with a part time job $50 is a big deal Go play with your parents money and get your GTX480 Also he said budget PC building. There's a big difference between buying for the sake of blowing lots of money and wanted the highest end PC build, and buying on a budget. You can get a DAMN good budget PC if you are smart and know how to spend your money wisely for under $400-$500. And in that case $50 is a big deal for ONE component. Not all of us are flowing with the cash to blow on getting 10 FPS higher in a game you play twice a week.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I pay for all of my equipment by myself and I'm 14. $50 is not a big deal.

lmao ur 14

[QUOTE=ph0ne;21251473]The 4800 series, for the most part, sucked ass. A few people may disagree with me simply because they're fanboys, didn't notice these issues, or both. The 4850 is a good card. If you ask me, the only good card in the whole series. But the 4830, 4870 and 4890 are different stories. Both the 4870 and 4890 got horrible performance in Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, and anything with Vsync enabled... Both of the first two games would stutter and bug out frequently. You got a good framerate, but it looked and played like shit. With Vsync enabled on anything, these cards create lines all over the screen, and the the AF looks even worse. GT200's AF is up to 3 times more detailed than ATI's. AMD's only good series since the 9800 Pro is their newest, the 5800 series. Perfect AF, and decent drivers are emerging. I highly recommend a 5770 over a 4870. The only problem is the hardware in the cards is still piss-weak. A $400 HD 5870 will only fold a decimal better than an $80 9800 GT. Folding = HD video capability = software integration = rendering (to an extent), etc. It's a big deal. Read here for overheating issues on the GTX 260: [url]http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t78237.html[/url] Again, you'll probably throw a hissy fit because you're a fanboy.[/QUOTE] You can check my post history, I'm not a fanboy. That source you linked me to just proved what I said, idiot.

[QUOTE=opaali;21257565]lmao ur 14[/QUOTE] your point being?

Right: Fermi: -runs hot -10% increase on single GPU leader by average. -expensive -Good/better at non-gaming stuff. -Rare 5800 series: -cheaper -better price for performance -Good at gaming -drivers are getting there. -readily available. Thats all you need to know apart from benches.

[QUOTE=whatnow V2;21257706]your point being?[/QUOTE] What he said. Honestly, he always seemed like one of the more mature people around here. Thought he was 30 something or something to that effect.

[QUOTE=Odellus;21257356]Sorry, I pay for all of my equipment by myself and I'm 14. $50 is not a big deal.[/QUOTE] Try paying rent and bills while only playing games a couple times a week due to school/work/outings (outings that may or may not cost money too) and say $50 isn't a big deal :P I'm the only college student I know who isn't dead broke, and I like to keep it that way by cutting non-manditory spending as much as I can.

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;21257970]Right: Fermi: -runs hot -10% increase on single GPU leader by average. -expensive -Good/better at non-gaming stuff. -Rare 5800 series: -cheaper -better price for performance -Good at gaming -drivers are getting there. -readily available. Thats all you need to know apart from benches.[/QUOTE] ...are you serious? I don't want to tear apart this bit by bit right now, I'll do that tomorrow. but really.. are you joking? here, ill start: Rare? uhh, were you there when the 5800 series came out? Why don't you leave that out, as it's something that will only happen during the first month or so. (JUST LIKE THE 5800 SERIES) ATI better price performance? really? If the GTX 470 does better than 5870 in quite a few games.. overclock the 470 to 700+ core and it should beat the 5870 in lots of DX10 games... and it's only 350. 5850 or 470 for 50 bucks more that has the performance of a 5870 when overclocked? runs hot? Huh. Here is a solution: stop being stupid and turn the fan from auto to 70 percent. Problem fucking solved.

[QUOTE=KorJax;21258109]Try paying rent and bills while only playing games a couple times a week due to school/work/outings (outings that may or may not cost money too) and say $50 isn't a big deal :P I'm the only college student I know who isn't dead broke, and I like to keep it that way by cutting non-manditory spending as much as I can.[/QUOTE] I'm in school, I pay for my cable and television. You're not getting it. $50 isn't expensive, you're not going to change my opinion. [editline]10:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PunchedInFac;21257970]Right: Fermi: -runs hot -10% increase on single GPU leader by average. -expensive -Good/better at non-gaming stuff. -Rare 5800 series: -cheaper -better price for performance -Good at gaming -drivers are getting there. -readily available. Thats all you need to know apart from benches.[/QUOTE] Alright, for one, Fermi doesn't run hot. On average it's about 6-8 Celsius warmer than the average 5870. In most DX11 games, Fermi completely destroys the 5 series (GTX 470 having a 2 FPS average lead over the 5870 in BC2, with a 12 FPS increase in minimum framerate over the 5870). It's not expensive except for the 480. For what you get with the GTX 470, it's much more worth it for $40 more. And of course it's rare it just released. Do you remember the 5 series release? The first two points you listed for the 5 series are the same thing, and the second isn't even relevant. Good at gaming? What the fuck does that mean? Drivers are getting there? They're already there, and of course they're readily available. They've been on the market for six months! /end

[QUOTE=ph0ne;21251473]The 4800 series, for the most part, sucked ass. A few people may disagree with me simply because they're fanboys, didn't notice these issues, or both. The 4850 is a good card. If you ask me, the only good card in the whole series. But the 4830, 4870 and 4890 are different stories. Both the 4870 and 4890 got horrible performance in Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, and anything with Vsync enabled... Both of the first two games would stutter and bug out frequently. You got a good framerate, but it looked and played like shit. With Vsync enabled on anything, these cards create lines all over the screen, and the the AF looks even worse. GT200's AF is up to 3 times more detailed than ATI's. AMD's only good series since the 9800 Pro is their newest, the 5800 series. Perfect AF, and decent drivers are emerging. I highly recommend a 5770 over a 4870. The only problem is the hardware in the cards is still piss-weak. A $400 HD 5870 will only fold a decimal better than an $80 9800 GT. Folding = HD video capability = software integration = rendering (to an extent), etc. It's a big deal. Read here for overheating issues on the GTX 260: [url]http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t78237.html[/url] Again, you'll probably throw a hissy fit because you're a fanboy.[/QUOTE] good troll [editline]02:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ph0ne;21257188]Personal experience, my friend, through cards that I've owned and cards that I've used in client builds. ROFL, still trying to play the troll card, right? "UH OH, HE DISAGREES WITH ME SO HE'S DEFINITELY A TROLL."[/QUOTE] well it's either troll, or retard. take your pick, most people pick the "i was trolling all along xD" card

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;21257351]Depends on your budget, if youre going for single card and told the budget to go fuck off, go for the 470. if youre worried about Price/performance go for ATi's offerings. from the 5770 to the 5970. You could be a unique bastard and get a Matrox card.[/QUOTE] I've already got a gtx 275 in. How would it work to where I've got 2 cards rendering something at the same time if I wind up with 1 nvidia and 1 ati? Is that even possible? Or could I dedicate 1 card to something and 1 to the other? Would sli work for me if I got a gtx 4xx? [editline]01:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=opaali;21257565]lmao ur 14[/QUOTE] what a shit post

sli would work but the secondary card could only be used for CUDA/PhysX which is i guess a plus for the four titles you'll care about that use it

[QUOTE=Odellus;21258664]I'm in school, I pay for my cable and television. You're not getting it. $50 isn't expensive, you're not going to change my opinion.[/QUOTE] Nobody is in the same situation as you. And 50$ is kinda expensive for components, because you can buy something else more revelant, like a very good processor fan for example. The point is that obviously you should avoid all the time to take the most expensive components, on the pretext that they are more powerful than the others. Depending of your computer budget, of course, but you have to buy clever.

[QUOTE=Odellus;21257705]That source you linked me to just proved what I said, idiot.[/QUOTE] RoFL ok kid. [editline]12:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;21259817]good troll well it's either troll, or retard. take your pick, most people pick the "i was trolling all along xD" card[/QUOTE] Somebody looks butthurt. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Greeman))[/highlight]

I'm gonna buy one of these and an amd 6 core when there out. Ill be set for the next 10 years :D

[QUOTE=Trillan;21264956]I'm gonna buy one of these and an amd 6 core when there out. Ill be set for the [B]next 10 years [/B]:D[/QUOTE] More like 3.

[QUOTE=acds;21264989]More like 3.[/QUOTE] If a part dies ill have the warranty and theres no way games will be capable of using that much power within 3 years...

[QUOTE=ph0ne;21264612]RoFL ok kid. [editline]12:49PM[/editline] Somebody looks butthurt.[/QUOTE] someone's either just posting for the sake of posting or trolling. take your pick. that was the most useless post this century, along with 25% of last page. kids being kids in here.

[QUOTE=Trillan;21265044]If a part dies ill have the warranty and theres no way games will be capable of using that much power within 3 years...[/QUOTE] Crysis 3? example when i bought my 8800 ULTRA for 700 bucks 4 years ago, i thought it would last 10 years! (when i say maxed i mean a decent amount of AA and all settings on very high including SSAO etc) can it run bc2 maxed no can it run ArmA 2 maxed no can it run batman maxed no the list goes on, [editline]04:32PM[/editline] bah fuck ph0ne, he'll just get us banned.

[QUOTE=whatnow V2;21267644]Crysis 3? example when i bought my 8800 ULTRA for 700 bucks 4 years ago, i thought it would last 10 years! (when i say maxed i mean a decent amount of AA and all settings on very high including SSAO etc) can it run bc2 maxed no can it run ArmA 2 maxed no can it run batman maxed no the list goes on, [editline]04:32PM[/editline] bah fuck ph0ne, he'll just get us banned.[/QUOTE] Same (actually, even more so) with my 8800GTX.

wait i have a 9800GT which is theoretically the same exact card and it does ArmA 2 and Batman maxed. haven't tried BC2 since the beta but the beta ran fine on nearly all high. [editline]09:44AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ADT;21263137]Nobody is in the same situation as you. And 50$ is kinda expensive for components, because you can buy something else more revelant, like a very good processor fan for example. The point is that obviously you should avoid all the time to take the most expensive components, on the pretext that they are more powerful than the others. Depending of your computer budget, of course, but you have to buy clever.[/QUOTE] or you could learn how to manage your money instead of always having to buy things to suit some silly budget :) [editline]09:49AM[/editline] and besides, back to the budget argument, look at this thread title, what the thread is about. is this really a place for budgets to be a true concern? if you're willing to lay down $500USD before tax and shipping on a card (like i am but knowing nvidia they'll just release/announce a faster version for the same price in a month), then the whole OH NO FIFTY DOLLARS concept is nearly nonexistent

[QUOTE=M_B;21267826] and besides, back to the budget argument, look at this thread title, what the thread is about. is this really a place for budgets to be a true concern? if you're willing to lay down $500USD before tax and shipping on a card (like i am but knowing nvidia they'll just release/announce a faster version for the same price in a month), then the whole OH NO FIFTY DOLLARS concept is nearly nonexistent[/QUOTE] Also 50$ is what, 3-4 hours of work? Maybe even 2 if it's on Sunday.

mb 9800 GT isn't exactly the same, it runs on the g92 and the 8800 GTX/ULTRA runs on G80. performance wise, duno. But I'm talking maxed like 4x aa and all the eyecandy, with at least 50 fps.

well performance wise they're about the same. mine actually has 1GB of VRAM though which is apparently rare for a 9800GT. either way it's really showing age and anti-aliasing in the Unreal Engine without a massive performance drop? yeah fat chance. even Unreal 2 has terrible AA performance compared to without AA, and Unreal 3 is even worse.

[QUOTE=acds;21268113]Also 50$ is what, 3-4 hours of work? Maybe even 2 if it's on Sunday.[/QUOTE] More like 8 if you are where I live. Personally, I work 20 hours a week at best, school the rest. I pay for all my schooling upfront at a community college, plus rent, plus bills, plus gas, plus food. I play games maybe twice during a week. $50 is easy money for you, but I'm lucky if I have $50 to spend freely each month. And I'm needing to get my car fixed up too :v: I just find it hard to justify spending $50 twoards something that will get me maybe 10 frames higher at best and sucks up more power when I don't even play games more than twice a week