Picking out quality liquid loop for my next setup, help?
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[QUOTE=eurocracy;50608454]The issue with the loops is they are more expensive than alternatives when it comes to getting performance. [/QUOTE]
Custom loops does indeed cost significantly more, but it also offers performance no air coolers and closed loops can remotely match if you build it right.
Additionally, most mainstream closed loop coolers only has one waterblock, so you pretty much have to go with custom loops if you want to cool more than one chip in your system.
Messing with multiple closed loops is just messy and rarely works out due to case constraints.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;50608506]Custom loops does indeed cost significantly more, but it also offers performance no air coolers and closed loops can remotely match if you build it right.
Additionally, most mainstream closed loop coolers only has one waterblock, so you pretty much have to go with custom loops if you want to cool more than one chip in your system.
Messing with multiple closed loops is just messy and rarely works out due to case constraints.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I understand that they give unmatched cooling performance and that multiple AiOs is not a good idea.
Just that until you can't actually fit any more parts in your computer the water cooling loop shouldn't be a needed option. Of course, there's those wanting silence with multiple large rads and those who like the look of the tubing with a windowed case, but that's a different matter than a build [i]warranting[/i] it.
If you have 4 1080s (Well, 2 now apparently), then that'd probably be able the time to start suggesting the custom loop, the most cards I've seen someone have in FP though is 3 Titan X cards.
[QUOTE=eurocracy;50608096]To be fair we have had some legitimate seriously expensive builds on FP and stuff but this takes the biscuit, I think the most I've ever seen someone spend is about 5,000 pounds on a build from this forum. There's also never been someone that ever warranted a custom watercooling loop.
This is literally just a kid going on pc part picker and picking the most expensive parts that he thinks fits together though, happens all the time.[/QUOTE]
no, its literally someone trolling the hell out of you
Pee in your computer op
How long until LTT makes a video on the effectiveness of urine in a water cooling loop
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50609272]How long until LTT makes a video on the effectiveness of urine in a water cooling loop[/QUOTE]
Jay tested a few different coolants. Piss would likely perform just as well, but with some negative effects on the loop.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS6uSk8hfxE[/url]
[QUOTE=eurocracy;50608589]Oh, I understand that they give unmatched cooling performance and that multiple AiOs is not a good idea.
Just that until you can't actually fit any more parts in your computer the water cooling loop shouldn't be a needed option. Of course, there's those wanting silence with multiple large rads and those who like the look of the tubing with a windowed case, but that's a different matter than a build [i]warranting[/i] it.
If you have 4 1080s (Well, 2 now apparently), then that'd probably be able the time to start suggesting the custom loop, the most cards I've seen someone have in FP though is 3 Titan X cards.[/QUOTE]
How is wanting a near silent build not warranting it? There's plenty of situations that warrant it. And its just not a too many parts thing, multi GPU's suck. At the time my parts released there were no higher performing parts for gaming, and both getting my 4770k to 5ghz and getting the most out of my 290x lightning require something like that.
[QUOTE=eurocracy;50608589]Oh, I understand that they give unmatched cooling performance and that multiple AiOs is not a good idea.
Just that until you can't actually fit any more parts in your computer the water cooling loop shouldn't be a needed option. Of course, there's those wanting silence with multiple large rads and those who like the look of the tubing with a windowed case, but that's a different matter than a build [i]warranting[/i] it.
If you have 4 1080s (Well, 2 now apparently), then that'd probably be able the time to start suggesting the custom loop, the most cards I've seen someone have in FP though is 3 Titan X cards.[/QUOTE]
I've got an 17-4790K with a CoolerMaster Seidon 240M AIO cooler on it, and an EVGA 980Ti Hybrid that's got it's own AIO liquid cooler (I also have these in a CoolerMaster Mastercase Pro 5, so it's not a small case). I've been thinking about a custom loop because having these 2 AIO solutions is messy, and while they can operate independent of each other based on need, it's much more clutter than a simple custom system. Also, a custom loop will be much quieter than my system now, which is STILL MUCH quieter than air cooled, because nothing ever gets hot enough to warrant full fan speed, even when pushed hard.
By using liquid cooling, you're moving all of the heat from inside of your case to outside of your case. That means the other components (Hard drives, MOBO, etc.) get much more fresh cool air than before to cool them. The only downside is that it gets noticeably hotter in the room if you're sitting next to your computer while it's working hard. So you're saving all of the other components in your system, not just your processor or gpu, from absorbing extra unneeded heat. So, while you say that there's a threshold of "warranting" a custom loop I would have to disagree that it's based on hardware, but based on if you think the cooling and heat management benefits outweigh the cost. I do.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;50609985]I've got an 17-4790K with a CoolerMaster Seidon 240M AIO cooler on it, and an EVGA 980Ti Hybrid that's got it's own AIO liquid cooler (I also have these in a CoolerMaster Mastercase Pro 5, so it's not a small case). I've been thinking about a custom loop because having these 2 AIO solutions is messy, and while they can operate independent of each other based on need, it's much more clutter than a simple custom system. Also, a custom loop will be much quieter than my system now, which is STILL MUCH quieter than air cooled, because nothing ever gets hot enough to warrant full fan speed, even when pushed hard.
By using liquid cooling, you're moving all of the heat from inside of your case to outside of your case. That means the other components (Hard drives, MOBO, etc.) get much more fresh cool air than before to cool them. The only downside is that it gets noticeably hotter in the room if you're sitting next to your computer while it's working hard. So you're saving all of the other components in your system, not just your processor or gpu, from absorbing extra unneeded heat. So, while you say that there's a threshold of "warranting" a custom loop I would have to disagree that it's based on hardware, but based on if you think the cooling and heat management benefits outweigh the cost. I do.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that the opposite is true. By using liquid cooling on your CPU and GPU, you can dramatically lower the temps on those, but since there is less airflow to the other components on your motherboard (ie MOSFETs, caps, DIMMs) those temperatures tend to increase.
[QUOTE=Apache249;50613689]I was under the impression that the opposite is true. By using liquid cooling on your CPU and GPU, you can dramatically lower the temps on those, but since there is less airflow to the other components on your motherboard (ie MOSFETs, caps, DIMMs) those temperatures tend to increase.[/QUOTE]
This is usually the case when people put a radiator in place of their only exhaust fan, and then set their fan speed for it purely based on processor temp. This means that no matter how hard you push your other components, the fan won't speed up to exhaust more air until the processor starts to heat up, creating a large positive pressure situation. The remedy is to add another exhaust fan running at a lower RPM to help evacuate the air that gets trapped because of a low rpm radiator fan.
In my case, I have 3 120mm fans blowing through 2 radiators, and their base rpm is set higher, meaning they will pull more air even though the components they are cooling don't necessitate it. I also have 3 140mm fans on the front running at a mid to low rpm most of the time, and they only increase when the processor gets hot enough (I set my curve to start going up around 45-50c) to ensure that my radiator fans have enough air to pass through the radiators, but at that point my case is flowing so much air that a little positive pressure won't hurt.
It's all about air flow, no matter if you're using liquid cooling or not.
Pretty much. I've got a horizontal motherboard case and I've got 2 360 radiators at the top. 3 fans on each of them that are really quiet at high speed, so it just blasts air down on the whole motherboard and then exhausts out the back. I also have 2 on the front moving air across the motherboard and hard drives.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50614201]Pretty much. I've got a horizontal motherboard case and I've got 2 360 radiators at the top. 3 fans on each of them that are really quiet at high speed, so it just blasts air down on the whole motherboard and then exhausts out the back. I also have 2 on the front moving air across the motherboard and hard drives.[/QUOTE]
The entire front of my case is like a wall of airflow that flows to the top/top rear of the case like an upside-down half rainbow.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;50605055]oh the irony[/QUOTE]
Why do you have this strange insistence on being the douchiest person in the whole fucking subforum? What the hell is your angle?
I literally just called a kid out for being some whiny brat with his daddy's card, which I may remind you is an extremely douchey thing to do whether I'm right or not, and you still decided that you had to go out of your fucking way to out-douche me. Why? What benefit do you get out of this?
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[QUOTE=lavacano;50614536]I literally just called a kid out for being some whiny brat with his daddy's card, which I may remind you is an extremely douchey thing to do whether I'm right or not, and you still decided that you had to go out of your fucking way to out-douche me. [/QUOTE]
You should calm down and read this sentence again. It's legitimately hilarious
[QUOTE=lavacano;50614536]Why do you have this strange insistence on being the douchiest person in the whole fucking subforum? What the hell is your angle?
I literally just called a kid out for being some whiny brat with his daddy's card, which I may remind you is an extremely douchey thing to do whether I'm right or not, and you still decided that you had to go out of your fucking way to out-douche me. Why? What benefit do you get out of this?[/QUOTE]
he's still a better poster than you tbh
[editline]29th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Apache249;50613689]I was under the impression that the opposite is true. By using liquid cooling on your CPU and GPU, you can dramatically lower the temps on those, but since there is less airflow to the other components on your motherboard (ie MOSFETs, caps, DIMMs) those temperatures tend to increase.[/QUOTE]
I'd have not realized this
then again, not like I'll ever water cool
Do you also want to liquid cool your PSU?
Liquid cooling systems suck. They are expensive (not worth it's price), very unreliable (water can break out of the loop and damage your PC), and hard to setup. Use air cooling - Noctua's are best from what I know, just grab the best one on the market and plug in. It will be like prebuilt liquid loop, only temps can be like 3C higher but this is within the error limit. Don't forget about good thermal paste - I recommend Arctic Cooling MX-4. If you want to overclock something, you can put a fan on it - putting a fan on certain motherboard parts can drastically increase overclocking potential and/or decrease temps.
[QUOTE=uRandomAlex;51068717]Liquid cooling systems suck. They are expensive (not worth it's price), very unreliable (water can break out of the loop and damage your PC), and hard to setup. Use air cooling - Noctua's are best from what I know, just grab the best one on the market and plug in. It will be like prebuilt liquid loop, only temps can be like 3C higher but this is within the error limit. Don't forget about good thermal paste - I recommend Arctic Cooling MX-4. If you want to overclock something, you can put a fan on it - putting a fan on certain motherboard parts can drastically increase overclocking potential and/or decrease temps.[/QUOTE]
Water cooling is ALOT better and it's only unreliable if you get a shit generic closed loop or fail to take proper care of it.
Also it's obvious Op was trolling
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;51069431]Water cooling is ALOT better and it's only unreliable if you get a shit generic closed loop or fail to take proper care of it.
Also it's obvious Op was trolling[/QUOTE]
Watercooling is just a smidge better than air cooling. Imho.
And only useful if you want to overclock to the absolute max. Which 90% of the people who buy Closed loop coolers dont do anyway.
[QUOTE=taipan;51073133]Watercooling is just a smidge better than air cooling. Imho.[/QUOTE]
Not if you use some proper enthusiast grade components.
My i7-5960x and 3x GTX 980 all stays around 40 degrees C with my custom loop on high load, with an ambient temperature of around 18C.
No combination of air cooling will bring it down that much.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;51073205]Not if you use some proper enthusiast grade components.
My i7-5960x and 3x GTX 980 all stays around 40 degrees C with my custom loop on high load, with an ambient temperature of around 18C.
No combination of air cooling will bring it down that much.[/QUOTE]
The Noctua DH14 goes to around 56C when running Prime 95 (Unrealistic load) on an i7-4770K.
So I would say a smidge.
Yeah, your gpu's do stay way cooler with a big waterblock due to the lack of room for a big air heatsink. but what is the point in cooling your GPU's to 40C?
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;51073205]Not if you use some proper enthusiast grade components.
My i7-5960x and 3x GTX 980 all stays around 40 degrees C with my custom loop on high load, with an ambient temperature of around 18C.
No combination of air cooling will bring it down that much.[/QUOTE]
every single triple SLI set up I see kills me inside knowing how bad even a 2 way sli set up is
unless that set up is for monitors then I feel less pained
[QUOTE=taipan;51073443]The Noctua DH14 goes to around 56C when running Prime 95 (Unrealistic load) on an i7-4770K.
So I would say a smidge.
Yeah, your gpu's do stay way cooler with a big waterblock due to the lack of room for a big air heatsink. but what is the point in cooling your GPU's to 40C?[/QUOTE]
You do realize the TDP of his processor and a 4770k are very different, yes?
[QUOTE=Levelog;51073869]You do realize the TDP of his processor and a 4770k are very different, yes?[/QUOTE]
Yes and fine. For people with a rsupidly high end setup it is useful. So the 1% of the 1% go for it. For people with normal high end setup, there really is no point as it's only a smidgen better. Especially if you consider closed loop coolers.
[QUOTE=taipan;51073443]The Noctua DH14 goes to around 56C when running Prime 95 (Unrealistic load) on an i7-4770K.
So I would say a smidge.[/QUOTE]
The difference between 56C and 40C is about 30%. That's not a "smidge" even if we're assuming all else is equivalent (eg, tdp).
[QUOTE=taipan;51073443]
Yeah, your gpu's do stay way cooler with a big waterblock due to the lack of room for a big air heatsink. but what is the point in cooling your GPU's to 40C?[/QUOTE]
Well what's the point of cooling your CPU to 40C?
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;51074748]The difference between 56C and 40C is about 30%. That's not a "smidge" even if we're assuming all else is equivalent (eg, tdp).
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Yes. You with an i7-5960x and 3x GTX 980 are an exception.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;51074748]
Well what's the point of cooling your CPU to 40C?[/QUOTE]
There is none. However, there is one for keeping it below 70 while overclocking. Something that can be done on just air when using non super high end CPU's.
For GPU's usually hit the OC limit way before they get anywhere near problematic temperatures. And a stock air cooler from most manufacturers is already more than enough to overclock it to the max of its capability's.
So let me rephrase my original statement:
Water cooling is just a smidge better than air cooling for the [U]average[/U] gaming build. And in my opinion. Never worth the hassle/money in those builds.
Doing it for Aesthetics, Personal enjoyment, Extremely high end pc parts or maximum overclocking I understand.
[editline]19th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;51074748]The difference between 56C and 40C is about 30%. That's not a "smidge" even if we're assuming all else is equivalent (eg, tdp).
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So on air you would be at 50-70C maybe on a tdp that high?
Where is the problem in that?
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