• Android thread V-garychencool finally rooted his phone and got ICS edition
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[QUOTE=TippZ;38372861]starting to having second thoughts again about getting the nexus 4 because of the lack of LTE[/QUOTE] I don't get how LTE is such a necessity. Now you can only stream four 1080p videos at once instead of three (With DCHSPA+), what's the big deal?
Wait, the Nexus 4 has NFC, right? "Hey man, tap your phone against mine!" [img]http://i.imgur.com/XE7Z9.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=mblunk;38373034]I don't get how LTE is such a necessity. Now you can only stream four 1080p videos at once instead of three (With DCHSPA+), what's the big deal?[/QUOTE] LTE is much faster than typical DC-HSPA, and the latency is significantly reduced. It's where networks are moving to, and it makes phones significantly faster with things web related. Your statement is silly. On a DC-HSPA network that runs at 42Mbps you can have issues streaming moderate bitrate 1080p videos due to network congestion or low signal. Rarely occurs on 100/150Mbps LTE. You don't understand what the big deal is because you've apparently never actually seen the differences in real world use.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;38373268]LTE is much faster than typical DC-HSPA, and the latency is significantly reduced. It's where networks are moving to, and it makes phones significantly faster with things web related. Your statement is silly. On a DC-HSPA network that runs at 42Mbps you can have issues streaming moderate bitrate 1080p videos due to network congestion or low signal. Rarely occurs on 100/150Mbps LTE. You don't understand what the big deal is because you've apparently never actually seen the differences in real world use.[/QUOTE] No I haven't, but I didn't claim to either - all I know are the theoretical speeds and that I've seen speedtests on both that hit dozens of mbits so my understanding was that they're both plenty fast enough (by modern standards) to do anything you'd ever need to on a phone. Believe me, I'm all for faster internet, but not when it requires paying twice as much per month and being on a contract just for capability I'd never use; considering that your average 1080p youtube video is only about 4-5 mbit/s, 720p about 2-3. Not to mention I've heard LTE has a thing for draining batteries like no other.
LTE eats tons of battery
[QUOTE=mblunk;38373394]No I haven't, but I didn't claim to either - all I know are the theoretical speeds and that I've seen speedtests on both that hit dozens of mbits so my understanding was that they're both plenty fast enough (by modern standards) to do anything you'd ever need to on a phone. Believe me, I'm all for faster internet, but not when it requires paying twice as much per month and being on a contract just for capability I'd never use; considering that your average 1080p youtube video is only about 4-5 mbit/s, 720p about 2-3.[/QUOTE] Paying twice as much per month is an issue with your carrier. Here every plan except for grandfathered unlimited ones are provisioned for LTE. Oh and yes a Youtube video may be 4-5mbit/s in terms of bitrate. You may get 12Mbps downstream when you're sitting at a table with 4-5 bars on your device, but when you're moving and signal is fluctuating you won't be so lucky. [editline]8th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;38373412]LTE eats tons of battery[/QUOTE] It's manageable. Just like 2x the cost being the issue of carriers and not the technology, bad battery life isn't inherent to LTE either. [quote=Engadget]On our standard battery rundown test, in which we loop a video with LTE and WiFi enabled and social accounts pinging at regular intervals, the iPhone 5 managed a hugely impressive 11 hours and 15 minutes. That's just 10 minutes shy of the Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx.[/quote] Not too shabby for an LTE device. I think the issue with LTE battery issues on Android phones is just the lack of power usage optimization. It's not that bad now though, when you compare the North American Galaxy S III LTE to the original HTC Thunderbolt.
When you are moving around (such as in a car), your phone is constantly looking for towers to connect to so you don't lose your connection, which uses even more power on top of LTE. Does LTE make a difference? Of course, it's much faster in general and is more reliable if you have it.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;38372794]You don't have to on an iPhone. I've never seen an iDevice crash, and if it did you could hold home and power which hard resets the device. As for Android phones that require it, no idea.[/QUOTE] I was replying to Cakebatyr on the last page about taking his battery out during midterms. Assuming this is a requirement from the teacher/school, I was curious how did people with nonremovable batteries go around this problem, because in their case, [I]just[/I] turning it off surely isn't fair to the rest that has to pull the battery out.
[QUOTE=iCole;38373615]I was replying to Cakebatyr on the last page about taking his battery out during midterms. Assuming this is a requirement from the teacher/school, I was curious how did people with nonremovable batteries go around this problem, because in their case, [I]just[/I] turning it off surely isn't fair to the rest that has to pull the battery out.[/QUOTE] I'd imagine the school's response would be to not bring it at all.
Back in my day, we had these things called "lockers" where you could store stuff you weren't supposed to bring to tests. Although they were easy to break into so whatever.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;38373628]I'd imagine the school's response would be to not bring it at all.[/QUOTE] I guess people can't bring their iPhones. I'd just stick it in my locker.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;38373628]I'd imagine the school's response would be to not bring it at all.[/QUOTE] Yeah so I'm supposed to go outside [I]without[/I] my phone? :suicide: [editline]8th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;38373679]Although they were easy to break into so whatever.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so why would you put your (expensive) phone there. Back in my day, nobody gave a fuck if your phone stayed in your pocket and didn't make noise. :v:
Actually here, the protocol is to collect those devices before the test,put them in a big envelope or a container, and give them back after. They put names on post it notes so people don't get the wrong device back. It works really well.
[QUOTE=garychencool;38373523]When you are moving around (such as in a car), your phone is constantly looking for towers to connect to so you don't lose your connection, which uses even more power on top of LTE. Does LTE make a difference? Of course, it's much faster in general and is more reliable if you have it.[/QUOTE] Almost all carries have a cap at around 3.6Mb/s here anyways, while I almost always have H+, it makes little difference because of the cap.
[QUOTE=iCole;38373615]I was replying to Cakebatyr on the last page about taking his battery out during midterms. Assuming this is a requirement from the teacher/school, I was curious how did people with nonremovable batteries go around this problem, because in their case, [I]just[/I] turning it off surely isn't fair to the rest that has to pull the battery out.[/QUOTE] Actually I just pull the battery out of habit, university policy says phones must be off for tests, but I like to be sure (second year Chem and people still don't know to put things on vibrate).
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;38374465]Actually I just pull the battery out of habit, university policy says phones must be off for tests, but I like to be sure (second year Chem and people still don't know to put things on vibrate).[/QUOTE] I sometimes call friends for fun just to get them in trouble if they don't have their ringer off. I always switch my phones and iPad to vibrate in the morning.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;38374639]I sometimes call friends for fun just to get them in trouble if they don't have their ringer off. I always switch my phones and iPad to vibrate in the morning.[/QUOTE] I have an nfc sticker on my laptop to do just that, swipe it when class starts, again when class ends. [editline]8th November 2012[/editline] I know I can use the quickswitch, but that doesn't disables game sounds and it's pretty damn annoying to start a game only to find the sound on full.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38374061]Almost all carries have a cap at around 3.6Mb/s here anyways, while I almost always have H+, it makes little difference because of the cap.[/QUOTE] Rogers LTE: No caps when speedtesting/usage, gets 30Mbps down most of the time
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;38374465]Actually I just pull the battery out of habit, university policy says phones must be off for tests, but I like to be sure (second year Chem and people still don't know to put things on vibrate).[/QUOTE] Some Nokia phones will trigger alarms even when they're "off". That actually happened to someone in one of my classes. (Luckily they didn't get a zero.)
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;38374465]Actually I just pull the battery out of habit, university policy says phones must be off for tests, but I like to be sure (second year Chem and people still don't know to put things on vibrate).[/QUOTE] "I just got this phone yesterday!!!1!!11!!1!"
So, this has nothing to do with Android, but Staples has the BlackBerry PlayBook for $149. Any interesting reason to get it? EDIT: Oh, and it has 32 GB.
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;38374863]So, this has nothing to do with Android, but Staples has the BlackBerry PlayBook for $149. Any interesting reason to get it? EDIT: Oh, and it has 32 GB.[/QUOTE] You can probably root it and install android apps on it, know someone with it and it's not a bad device but I wouldn't want it.
[QUOTE=garychencool;38374918]You can probably root it and install android apps on it, know someone with it and it's not a bad device but I wouldn't want it.[/QUOTE] Oh sweet, you're right, it can run Android apps. EDIT: Wait, apparently "only Android 2.3 apps" can run. EDIT: "Wallpapers won’t be supported, and nor will anything built using the Android Native Development Kit. Finally, apps that consist of more than a single activity tied to the launcher will not run either."
[QUOTE=garychencool;38374844]Rogers LTE: No caps when speedtesting/usage, gets 30Mbps down most of the time[/QUOTE] Yeah but that's below the max of H+, it doesn't benefit you any more than just using H+ which uses less battery.
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;38374863]So, this has nothing to do with Android, but Staples has the BlackBerry PlayBook for $149. Any interesting reason to get it? EDIT: Oh, and it has 32 GB.[/QUOTE] I've been debating buying the 16GB one for $99 but I don't know. I have a friend who works at Bestbuy, and he says they've stopped accepting shipments because they literally have stacks of returned units. So obviously being able to run Android apps isn't enticing enough to people, even when the tablet is $99.
For $99 I'd probably just use it as a giant MP3 player so I don't drain my phone battery.
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;38375012]For $99 I'd probably just use it as a giant MP3 player so I don't drain my phone battery.[/QUOTE] Or get an iPod Shuffle/Nano. Unless you don't want to deal with the shitty iTunes
[QUOTE=garychencool;38375036]Or get an iPod Shuffle/Nano. Unless you don't want to deal with the shitty iTunes[/QUOTE] I could also use it as an eReader. Although I'm probably getting a Kobo Glo for Christmas. I really don't like the Shuffle or the Nano.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;38372794]You don't have to on an iPhone. I've never seen an iDevice crash, and if it did you could hold home and power which hard resets the device. As for Android phones that require it, no idea. [editline]8th November 2012[/editline] He has a One X. The One S has such an awful screen that I'd never honestly recommend it to anyone. I just sell it to people because it brings in the money.[/QUOTE] If you're jailbreaking it can crash, I installed a theme for my iPod touch that wasn't compatible and my iPod touch couldn't be turned on because it would try load the theme, and then just hang I had to leave it on for a day before the battery died, irritating as fuck that I couldn't just do a battery pull like normal Then again, I was modifying my device and it froze, but I never had an android device freeze (properly) unless I was modifying it
[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;38375324]If you're jailbreaking it can crash, I installed a theme for my iPod touch that wasn't compatible and my iPod touch couldn't be turned on because it would try load the theme, and then just hang I had to leave it on for a day before the battery died, irritating as fuck that I couldn't just do a battery pull like normal Then again, I was modifying my device and it froze, but I never had an android device freeze (properly) unless I was modifying it[/QUOTE] But like you said at the end it's your fault, jailbroken iDevices are not supported and shouldn't be included when it's discussed about what devices can crash. Same with why I don't blame Android for crashes if it's caused by an app that only works on rooted phones. It's funny. My dad's Galaxy Nexus locked up on day one and required a battery pull, but hasn't since. Never been sure why it happened. [editline]8th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;38374974]Yeah but that's below the max of H+, it doesn't benefit you any more than just using H+ which uses less battery.[/QUOTE] You really don't know what you're talking about if you're comparing a real world LTE speed test to the theoretical maximum of HSPA. First of all, HSPA+ usually refers to 21.1Mbps max, and anything above that is designated as DC-HSPA to avoid confusion with which radios support what. It IS benefiting him. 42.2Mbps for DC-HSPA is the THEORETICAL MAXIMUM that is possible, achieved under special laboratory conditions that don't apply to the real world. The expected average would be around 7-14Mbps downstream for DC-HSPA, and 18-40Mbps for LTE.
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