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Galaxy S3 vs Nexus 4. Which is better?

[QUOTE=matte3560;38724666]Galaxy S3 vs Nexus 4. Which is better?[/QUOTE] Galaxy S3

[QUOTE=matte3560;38724666]Galaxy S3 vs Nexus 4. Which is better?[/QUOTE] The galaxy S3, if you can afford it

[QUOTE=matte3560;38724666]Galaxy S3 vs Nexus 4. Which is better?[/QUOTE] Go and read all the major reviews for both and make up your own mind.

if you don't care about screen and camera quality, don't need a lot of space, and don't use lte, nexus 4 could be ok

I wish there was a big marketing thing about Jellybean/ICS and how it's improved, because most people who used android before experienced buggy Gingerbread or below, then promptly left for iOS or something, but now Android is genuinely user friendly, but those people still think it's a laggy, stuttery unstable mess

That's because it is a laggy, stuttery, unstable mess outside of the main UI. Sorry but a smartphone OS has to be judged by its app ecosystem too, and since Google has no control over app quality it suffers compared to other platforms in many ways. Apps won't get pulled because they're slow, or unstable. And from what I've heard, lots of people who went to 4.2 on the Gnex had performance DECREASE. 4.1 has no real improvements in efficiency. Google just sacrificed how much free RAM the user has by throwing it into HW acceleration, and that's why on 512MB devices it MAY seem slower than 4.0.

[QUOTE=Sergeant Turtle;38717934]4.2 on the Galaxy Nexus is an outright disaster, everything is slow, everything lags. There's a half second delay between pressing the power button and the screen turning on or off. I had to roll back to 4.1 to get any semblance of speed or smoothness back.[/QUOTE] I have a Gnex on 4.2.1 and it has no lag as far as I can tell.

So far Flow lags less. Much less. But I'm still not a fan of flowing through

[QUOTE=koekje4life V2;38724855]I have a Gnex on 4.2.1 and it has no lag as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE] Then you should look harder because it does even on 4.1, I use one every day running 4.1.1 and it still has problems in many areas with fluidity.

[QUOTE=nicatronTg;38723447]Unrelated, but I ordered a Nexus 4 8gb (!!) on the 27th, and a friend who ordered a 16gb has theirs out for delivery today and ordered the same date. Oh well.[/QUOTE] I'm unsure of how google send their packages out, I ordered my Nexus 4 on the 4th and it said 4-5 Weeks for delivery. And then I got it today.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;38724782]That's because it is a laggy, stuttery, unstable mess outside of the main UI. Sorry but a smartphone OS has to be judged by its app ecosystem too, and since Google has no control over app quality it suffers compared to other platforms in many ways. Apps won't get pulled because they're slow, or unstable. And from what I've heard, lots of people who went to 4.2 on the Gnex had performance DECREASE. 4.1 has no real improvements in efficiency. Google just sacrificed how much free RAM the user has by throwing it into HW acceleration, and that's why on 512MB devices it MAY seem slower than 4.0.[/QUOTE] My point was how far it's come since Gingerbread

[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;38725128]My point was how far it's come since Gingerbread[/QUOTE] Yup but I think it hasn't come far enough for anyone who left at GB. It lacks a great deal of polish that it should have after being around for so long. Google can't even keep consistent design with some of their own apps having gingerbread style menus, and many of their apps having inconsistent navigation styles.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;38725200]Yup but I think it hasn't come far enough for anyone who left at GB. It lacks a great deal of polish that it should have after being around for so long. Google can't even keep consistent design with some of their own apps having gingerbread style menus, and many of their apps having inconsistent navigation styles.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I agree it's not got the level of polish that iOS has, but I'm hoping KLP will do wonders for that [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] It's only a vague hope, but Jellybean runs smooth enough and Touchwhiz is actually not awful, unlike Sense [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] Also when we were talking about phone cameras, the Nokia Xpressmusic 5800 had probably the best camera I've seen on a phone to date Check out this macro-ish shot of a keyboard I just found [T]https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/331185_2830760695633_1577154537_o.jpg[/T]

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;38725992]you dont say xpressmusic when im in the room i was going to get a 5800, but then i had to get a 5530 was stuck with it until i got my gnex :([/QUOTE] What's the difference between the two?

[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;38725300]Yeah, I agree it's not got the level of polish that iOS has, but I'm hoping KLP will do wonders for that [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] It's only a vague hope, but Jellybean runs smooth enough and Touchwhiz is actually not awful, unlike Sense [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] Also when we were talking about phone cameras, the Nokia Xpressmusic 5800 had probably the best camera I've seen on a phone to date Check out this macro-ish shot of a keyboard I just found [T]https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/331185_2830760695633_1577154537_o.jpg[/T][/QUOTE] Nokia are great with cameras, it's a shame they went to Windows Phone and not Android, for the most stupid reason ever, "differentiation". I haven't seen anyone with a Windows Phone, even then, HTC make some nice Windows Phones so for the few people that have them, it might not even be a Nokia. Nokia was great back in the day, and they'd probably continue to be great if they'd at least made Android phones and Windows Phones like HTC are doing. Also I agree I left Android because like some others felt, it felt "unfinished" and I had slight bugs here in there, but in general Android was great and I think it'll turn out to be the best mobile OS when it gets through a few more versions. I may come back to Android at some point, I can see it being a possibility

[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;38726198]Nokia are great with cameras, it's a shame they went to Windows Phone and not Android, for the most stupid reason ever, "differentiation". I haven't seen anyone with a Windows Phone, even then, HTC make some nice Windows Phones so for the few people that have them, it might not even be a Nokia. Nokia was great back in the day, and they'd probably continue to be great if they'd at least made Android phones and Windows Phones like HTC are doing. Also I agree I left Android because like some others felt, it felt "unfinished" and I had slight bugs here in there, but in general Android was great and I think it'll turn out to be the best mobile OS when it gets through a few more versions. I may come back to Android at some point, I can see it being a possibility[/QUOTE] All they need to do is just re-write it in native code and actually add some polish. Oh and regulate the app market and actually enforce standards.

[QUOTE=PyroCF;38726251]All they need to do is just re-write it in native code and actually add some polish. Oh and regulate the app market and actually enforce standards.[/QUOTE] But that's what makes android stand out, censorship based on the style of UI elements used would be a huge pain and developer turnoff at best (which is certainly not a risk Google would want to take and not like android needs any more development downsides) and would kill off heaps of old but one-of-a-kind apps that have been abandoned by the devs if applied retroactively.

[QUOTE=PyroCF;38726251]All they need to do is just re-write it in native code and actually add some polish. Oh and regulate the app market and actually enforce standards.[/QUOTE] Exactly that. Wasn't it only recently that Google made a UI guidelines about how to do the UI in your app? I think one of the large issues that I had (which has probably been fixed thanks to Google's UI guidelines) was that many apps had different UI's. In iOS, most apps follow Apple's UI guidelines so you can pretty much open a new app and instantly know how to get around it. It's not like it completely stumbled me in Android, it just seemed odd. In some ways, Windows applications also suffer from this, take into example of how Office started using the ribbon interface in Office 2007, and yet the Ribbon interface wasn't properly implemented in Windows till Windows 7, even then applications don't use this interface and I see many different applications with different UIs [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mblunk;38726322]But that's what makes android stand out, censorship based on the style of UI elements used would be a huge pain and developer turnoff at best (which is certainly not a risk Google would want to take) and would kill off heaps of old but one-of-a-kind apps that have been abandoned by the devs if applied retroactively.[/QUOTE] The UI can still be customized to a certain extent, it's mainly that things should be in the same place as you go from app to app

[QUOTE=mblunk;38726322]But that's what makes android stand out, censorship based on the style of UI elements used would be a huge pain and developer turnoff at best (which is certainly not a risk Google would want to take and not like android needs any more development downsides) and would kill off heaps of old but one-of-a-kind apps that have been abandoned by the devs if applied retroactively.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't have to get used to a new UI for every app you have though. The whole OS should flow together.

[QUOTE=PyroCF;38726348]You shouldn't have to get used to a new UI for every app you have though. The whole OS should flow together.[/QUOTE] Yes, that's what holo is for, but in the meantime, there's nothing Google can do to speed that up without pissing off devs besides hurry up and wait for the devs to catch up. Which is a perfectly fine solution for preserving Android's open nature.

[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;38726198]Nokia are great with cameras, it's a shame they went to Windows Phone and not Android, for the most stupid reason ever, "differentiation". I haven't seen anyone with a Windows Phone, even then, HTC make some nice Windows Phones so for the few people that have them, it might not even be a Nokia. Nokia was great back in the day, and they'd probably continue to be great if they'd at least made Android phones and Windows Phones like HTC are doing. Also I agree I left Android because like some others felt, it felt "unfinished" and I had slight bugs here in there, but in general Android was great and I think it'll turn out to be the best mobile OS when it gets through a few more versions. I may come back to Android at some point, I can see it being a possibility[/QUOTE] It's so funny to see Android users say Nokia should have gone for Android. Nobody who says that can possibly be living in reality. Oh yah, lets use an OS that nobody makes any money on except for one single company. Or we can partner with Microsoft on an OS to stand out and IF it does pick up we'll be ahead of other manufacturers who end up using it, and profits are a possibility. With Android, they're just a dream for most companies.

IMO Nokia was one of the companies that could've profit from Android. They had the power.

[QUOTE=iCole;38726534]IMO Nokia was one of the companies that could've profit from Android. They had the power.[/QUOTE] Not with Samsung already in the market.

yeah, they would've have to do it somewhere around 2010 to have a chance.

They could have profited a lot. Even Sony said they should have went for Android earlier.

Yes of course. It all would be perfect if companies had just jumped onto the Android train earlier. Well tell me then, why is it that the company that made the first ever Android device is doing so poorly?

[QUOTE=Kaabii;38727422]why is it that the company that made the first ever Android device is doing so poorly?[/QUOTE] because Sense

[QUOTE=Kaabii;38727422]Yes of course. It all would be perfect if companies had just jumped onto the Android train earlier. Well tell me then, why is it that the company that made the first ever Android device is doing so poorly?[/QUOTE] because they completely fucked up 2011 [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] Also they're showing signs of recovery, so it's not all that bad.

Never thought I'd say it, but damn, I actually like SwiftKey Flow. Just wish the Holo theme was even closer to the AOSP keyboard.