Android thread V-garychencool finally rooted his phone and got ICS edition
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Like some of the people before have said, I would wait on the new Nexus line. There should be several devices announced next month and you won't have to wait for updates/support.
What's a nexus? Sorry I'm new to this smartphone stuff. I just googled it an I see a Galaxy Nexus, is that it?
[QUOTE=Jay Gatsby;37964830]What's a nexus? Sorry I'm new to this smartphone stuff. I just googled it an I see a Galaxy Nexus, is that it?[/QUOTE]
A Nexus device is basically as close to a Google produced phone you can get.
They shop out the production to other companies (Asus makes the Nexus 7 tablet, Samsung makes the Galaxy Nexus). Those companies then build to Google's specs.
It gets better, though. With a Nexus device, you run stock Android. None of those god-awful skins or bloatware you get from other manufacturers (Samsung's Touchwiz and Motorola's MotoBlur, for example).
This means you experience Android as it was intended by Google. Not quite bare-bones and anything but bloated.
Nexus devices also get their updates directly from Google. They get the latest OS upgrades first and with minimal bugs. None of the waiting you get from any other line.
Now the really fun part: I say wait for the Nexus line because it's rumored (all but an official announcement from Google) that any manufacturer will be able to make a Nexus device as long as they fit Google's specs. This means that Nexus devices will be more widely available than they are now AND Google will control a portion of the Android market share themselves, meaning no OS fragmentation among the many Nexus devices.
This will all (supposedly) be announced next month.
[QUOTE=sdwise;37964935]A Nexus device is basically as close to a Google produced phone you can get.
They shop out the production to other companies (Asus makes the Nexus 7 tablet, Samsung makes the Galaxy Nexus). Those companies then build to Google's specs.
It gets better, though. With a Nexus device, you run stock Android. None of those god-awful skins or bloatware you get from other manufacturers (Samsung's Touchwiz and Motorola's MotoBlur, for example).
This means you experience Android as it was intended by Google. Not quite bare-bones and anything but bloated.
[b]Nexus devices also get their updates directly from Google. They get the latest OS upgrades first and with minimal bugs. None of the waiting you get from any other line.[/b]
Now the really fun part: I say wait for the Nexus line because it's rumored (all but an official announcement from Google) that any manufacturer will be able to make a Nexus device as long as they fit Google's specs. This means that Nexus devices will be more widely available than they are now AND Google will control a portion of the Android market share themselves, meaning no OS fragmentation among the many Nexus devices.
This will all (supposedly) be announced next month.[/QUOTE]
In response to the part I bolded, that's not necessarily true. First of all Nexus S owners had to wait forever to get ICS, and Google doesn't control updates directly for the Galaxy Nexus in Canada or on Sprint and Verizon in the states.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37964973]In response to the part I bolded, that's not necessarily true. First of all Nexus S owners had to wait forever to get ICS, and Google doesn't control updates directly for the Galaxy Nexus in Canada or on Sprint and Verizon in the states.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, that's really only 100% true for the tablet. My bad.
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It's still closer and more controlled than waiting on Motorola -__-
My perspective is a bit off.
[QUOTE=sdwise;37964995]Sorry, that's really only 100% true for the tablet. My bad.[/QUOTE]
Well for most Galaxy Nexus devices it is too, but it seems like Google didn't want all Nexus owners to be left out of the fun that is waiting for updates.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37965015]Well for most Galaxy Nexus devices it is too, but it seems like Google didn't want all Nexus owners to be left out of the fun that is waiting for updates.[/QUOTE]
I'm just glad the infinity already has JB.
Android devices with Nexus in their name means they are endorsed by Google.
They come with stock Android, none of that TouchWiz stuff Samsung sticks on their devices, and they get latest updates straight from Google over the air. That means your device will exactly get updated and get it as soon as the update is released as opposed to waiting months.
So any response to my above question (1649)? I'd really like some opinions.
I was at the mall yesterday and they were showcasing all the Samsung galaxy phones and tablets and stuff.
I can't believe I got this clearly inferior iPhone years ago.. I knew nothing of these android devices :(
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37964973]In response to the part I bolded, that's not necessarily true. First of all Nexus S owners had to wait forever to get ICS, and Google doesn't control updates directly for the Galaxy Nexus in Canada or on Sprint and Verizon in the states.[/QUOTE]
Correct. To be fair though. you still can get them far before most other devices unofficially if you have an unlocked bootloader. You could flash Jelly Bean on the Verizon Nexus literally a day after Google announced it regardless of the fact that it took Verizon nearly 2 months to push out. Even then, your still ahead of the curve.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37964973]In response to the part I bolded, that's not necessarily true. First of all Nexus S owners had to wait forever to get ICS, and Google doesn't control updates directly for the Galaxy Nexus in Canada or on Sprint and Verizon in the states.[/QUOTE]
Yeah there are different versions of the galaxy nexus for each carrier, if you buy the phone outright with no plan you usually get it with yakju which is the stock google one.
I was stuck with ICS till I flashed yakju onto my phone.
so whens the S4 coming
[QUOTE=Jay Gatsby;37965315]so whens the S4 coming[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/tech/mobile/samsung-galaxy-s-4/index.html]no telling.[/url]
[QUOTE=jaybuz;37965029]Android devices with Nexus in their name means they are endorsed by Google.
They come with stock Android, none of that TouchWiz stuff Samsung sticks on their devices, and they get latest updates straight from Google over the air. That means your device will exactly get updated and get it as soon as the update is released as opposed to waiting months.[/QUOTE]
I kept thinking your name looked familiar, and now I remembered.. are you the jaybuz who made [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsooNJfhqLQ]this video[/url] of the paintball SWEPs I coded for GMod 6 years ago?
[QUOTE=Jay Gatsby;37965097]I was at the mall yesterday and they were showcasing all the Samsung galaxy phones and tablets and stuff.
I can't believe I got this clearly inferior iPhone years ago.. I knew nothing of these android devices :([/QUOTE]
Worth pointing out that there are more Android devices (there's thousands different models) to show than a single iPhone 4S/5. Also the stores get profit for selling Android devices, for Apple I believe they pay full price or close to it for a massive amount for a carrier. For Android devices, the profit margins are larger. Also, not everyone will fit the iPhone user scope. A big factor is if they are willing to sign an expensive contract for a subsidized phone. Some can't get that so they get presented Android devices where some are cheaper.
I dunno. Garrynohome, verify what I just said.
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[QUOTE=jaybuz;37965029]Android devices with Nexus in their name means they are endorsed by Google.
They come with stock Android, none of that TouchWiz stuff Samsung sticks on their devices, and they get latest updates straight from Google over the air. That means your device will exactly get updated and get it as soon as the update is released as opposed to waiting months.[/QUOTE]
No carrier crapware (?) or skinned apps on the phone, calendar, alarm and music player app.
I don't really mind having a skin on it because I can always change the launcher, music player (my PowerAMP!), etc. And that's why I love Android so much.
[QUOTE=garychencool;37965428]Worth pointing out that there are more Android devices (there's thousands different models) to show than a single iPhone 4S/5. Also the stores get profit for selling Android devices, for Apple I believe they pay full price or close to it for a massive amount for a carrier. For Android devices, the profit margins are larger. Also, not everyone will fit the iPhone user scope. A big factor is if they are willing to sign an expensive contract for a subsidized phone. Some can't get that so they get presented Android devices where some are cheaper.
I dunno. Garrynohome, verify what I just said.[/QUOTE]
Correct. Carriers pay full price for iPhones. If you walk into a Bell or Rogers store you'll be pushed to get an S3 or a One S/X, because they'll make more money overall that they wouldn't make with an iPhone. At no point is the best interest of the consumer ever a factor when talking to a cellular rep. It's even larger pushed with the One S/X because HTC doesn't have the power to command as much money as Samsung per device.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;37957735]Well then, the S3 is the way to go with Android at the moment.[/QUOTE]
That's quite disputable with the launch of the One X+.
[QUOTE=Jay Gatsby;37964830]What's a nexus? Sorry I'm new to this smartphone stuff. I just googled it an I see a Galaxy Nexus, is that it?[/QUOTE]
To add on top of what everyone else said, this is what happens to Androids OS.
Google -> Phone maker -> carrier
Google makes the OS, the phone maker adds a skin on it, the carrier adds more crap on it and the the phone goes to your. In order to get an update, Google has to release it, which they have already, then the phone maker needs to add their skin on top of it and add other stuff and test if it will work fine on their devices, then the carrier needs to add their crappy apps and other stuff and test it before rolling out anything.
If the phones unlocked then the carrier doesn't get in the way, which makes getting updates much faster.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;37965492]That's quite disputable with the launch of the One X+.[/QUOTE]
According to PyroCF's checks, 650MB/1GB of RAM is used on the Jellybean One X with everything closed. The X+ has the same amount of RAM. That means the user will get roughly the same amount of RAM to use as someone with a Nexus S with half the physical RAM. That's completely unacceptable, so no the One X+ really doesn't look like an option at the moment.
Also what iPad do you have?
[QUOTE=sdwise;37964364]So, I'm seeing alot of samsung endorsements, but not much talk about Moto. I now their update list and timing is shit right now (I've got the Maxx, it's buggy as fuck), but they make great handsets. Would anyone here buy the rumored RAZR Nexus?
( [URL="http://www.androidauthority.com/android-4-2-spotted-nexus-7-galaxy-nexus-motorola-razr-nexus-motorola-nexus-tablet-120541/"]Source[/URL] on that rumor.)
Another question. I'm going to get the Asus Transformer Infinity for christmas because I feel like my laptop is about to shit the bed. I have a desktop I do most of my heavy work on, so this should make a good laptop replacement, huh? I've wanted a tablet forever, too, just couldn't justify one when I had a laptop.[/QUOTE]
The Transformer infinity will replace a netbook, not a laptop. If you want a laptop replacement wait for Windows 8 tablets like the HP Envy X2.
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[QUOTE=garrynohome;37965530]According to PyroCF's checks, 650MB/1GB of RAM is used on the Jellybean One X with everything closed. The X+ has the same amount of RAM. That means the user will get roughly the same amount of RAM to use as someone with a Nexus S with half the physical RAM. That's completely unacceptable, so no the One X+ really doesn't look like an option at the moment.
Also what iPad do you have?[/QUOTE]
In comparison to the international GS3 it has the same amount of RAM so that point would be moot in that comparison but otherwise with the GS3 LTE and Note 2 the One X+ is obviously worse.
iPad 3, display is pretty damn nice but otherwise the OS is quite limiting.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;37965537]The Transformer infinity will replace a netbook, not a laptop. If you want a laptop replacement wait for Windows 8 tablets like the HP Envy X2.
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iPad 3, display is pretty damn nice but otherwise the OS is quite limiting.[/QUOTE]
Well, I don't use my laptop heavily. Just surfing and word processing. There are plenty of office compatibility apps and Microsoft is about to release an actual office app. I've got my desktop (which I love) and I'm just thinking about dropping my second technology tier down to a more portable alternative.
And I love android. Like, I really wish they would just port to PC already. I would be all over that.
The S3 North American version has 2GB of RAM. With nothing running, it can go as low as 400MB of used RAM. That's still a lot of free RAM.
(note that this was the ICS version on Rogers)
IMO the S3 is better than the One X+ based on RAM and overall in general.
So like yeah, what you said before after editing.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;37965537]The Transformer infinity will replace a netbook, not a laptop. If you want a laptop replacement wait for Windows 8 tablets like the HP Envy X2.
[editline]8th October 2012[/editline]
iPad 3, display is pretty damn nice but otherwise the OS is quite limiting.[/QUOTE]
The only thing I miss from jailbroken 5.1.1 is a tweak that resampled fonts in phone apps. Made the Steam app look nicer. I think after wasting what could very well be an accumulated time of many weeks tweaking Android phones to unsuccessfully try and get them to run acceptably, I've lost any interest in modifying my devices anymore. I probably wouldn't have bought an iPad at this time last year.
That's not to say these things are anything but toys. Just so people know, these things regardless of if they're Android or iOS, can not replace proper laptops. Even with keyboard docks, external hard drives, whatever, they're just not a functional enough environment. Like Hunt3r said, they replace netbooks at best, but definitely not laptops.
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[QUOTE=sdwise;37965612]Well, I don't use my laptop heavily. Just surfing and word processing. There are plenty of office compatibility apps and Microsoft is about to release an actual office app. I've got my desktop (which I love) and I'm just thinking about dropping my second technology tier down to a more portable alternative.
And I love android. Like, I really wish they would just port to PC already. I would be all over that.[/QUOTE]
Android does run on x86, Intel just finished up porting Jellybean to run on their mobile Atom CPUs.
[editline]9th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=garychencool;37965629]The S3 North American version has 2GB of RAM. With nothing running, it can go as low as 400MB of used RAM. That's still a lot of free RAM.
(note that this was the ICS version on Rogers)
IMO the S3 is better than the One X+ based on RAM and overall in general.
So like yeah, what you said before after editing.[/QUOTE]
Yah but our S3 sucks at other stuff because any optimisations for hardware were made for Exynos. The Qualcomm one is 1/2 the speed of the iPhone 5 in browsing, an absolute joke.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37965634]
Android does run on x86, Intel just finished up porting Jellybean to run on their mobile Atom CPUs.[/QUOTE]
I run AMD. I tried to dual boot a port and it jumped partitions and ate my factory image drive.
I did, however, download bluestacks. I love AMD for that.
[QUOTE=garychencool;37965629]The S3 North American version has 2GB of RAM. With nothing running, it can go as low as 400MB of used RAM. That's still a lot of free RAM.
(note that this was the ICS version on Rogers)
IMO the S3 is better than the One X+ based on RAM and overall in general.
So like yeah, what you said before after editing.[/QUOTE]
Basically all I can tell that is obviously worse on the One X+ is the lack of microSD and removable battery when matched up again the i9300(0?), while against the GS3 LTE variants and Note 2 it's down a gig of RAM.
The 64 gigs of eMMC and the display would be pretty convincing arguments to counterbalance the GS3s though. I don't really think that the One X+ is a winner over the GS3 variants, but I don't think the GS3 variants clearly beat the One X+ either.
HTC, for the next gen, will only be able to beat Samsung by clearly trouncing the GS4 in every measure, completely changing the way they market their devices, ensuring that a single flagship ends up on every carrier, and trying to repair the damage from 2011 as much as possible. Even then, Samsung will probably still lead over HTC.
I feel so cheated that my version of the One X is a dual core because I live in the United States. :saddowns:
Still, it's a pretty nice phone for the $99.99 price tag, especially compared to the other phones AT&T offers sub-$100.
Who even needs quad core on a phone? I don't even have that on my computer
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;37968093]Who even needs quad core on a phone? I don't even have that on my computer[/QUOTE]
Oh don't get me wrong, it's still a [i]great[/i] phone and I love it, I just feel cheated that if I lived somewhere else I'd get better for the same price.
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And yes it matters, emulating the N64 is no easy task, especially since N64oid doesn't currently support GPU acceleration. aDosBox is quite resource heavy as well.
holy shit guys
I'm banned for a day and you post 84 times
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