Android thread V-garychencool finally rooted his phone and got ICS edition
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[QUOTE=Lyoko774;37707091]1.5GB should be more than enough to handle ICS + Sense 4 shouldn't it though?[/QUOTE]
You'd need to overwrite user apps to fit it. You can't send out an update and risk user data getting overwritten because they didn't move everything over to a microSD. This is what happens when you rely solely on external storage instead of having it as addition storage on top of an ample amount.
Ah, that makes sense I guess. Though I still don't understand why a RUU couldn't be released, or they just simply had a nice big warning saying
[B]HEY. THIS WILL REPARTITION YOUR DEVICE AND YOU'LL LOSE YOUR DATA. BACK STUFF UP.[/B]
On the OTA
Because there's no money in updating it so it's an easy excuse to get out of doing so. There weren't enough people who owned it to have a backlash like the original desire anyway.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;37707091]1.5GB should be more than enough to handle ICS + Sense 4 shouldn't it though?[/QUOTE]
I'm stuck with 1GB with 420MB for apps where only 300MB is even usable. Sucks really badly, but it's a low end phone anyways. If Sony slapped on 2GB or more, that would be great.
Also the ICS takes up 338MB of the 400MB system partition...
So, I just got a Galaxy SIII. What should I do with it?
I know nothing about customizing anything.
[QUOTE=OvB;37707415]So, I just got a Galaxy SIII. What should I do with it?
I know nothing about customizing anything.[/QUOTE]
Install apex launcher
Play around with it until you are confident with android then flash a custom rom on it
[QUOTE=superstepa;37707439]Install apex launcher
Play around with it until you are confident with android then flash a custom rom on it[/QUOTE]
Holo Launcher HD is a nice alternative too
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;37707475]Holo Launcher HD is a nice alternative too[/QUOTE]
I don't really remember which one of two is the good one because I just use stock ics
Goddamn the Optimus G looks like it might be good... I cannot believe I'm saying this about an LG device.
Reconsidering the Nexus 7 :v:
I might get the 16gb version, since every similar priced tablet I can find is weak, and every similar specced tablet is $400+
That or I'm not looking enough
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37707073]Wasn't due to specs, was due to storage. I kept telling people in the Android thread back in 2011 that HTC's use of crappy hardware and reliance on microSD cards would screw them over. Got showered in dumb ratings but now HTC is dying due to disgruntled owners with older devices who got stuck with crappy internals, and their old phones can't get updates because they packed almost no internal storage and bundled microSDs.[/QUOTE]
What I hate about his is that the whole rom was apparently finished but just because of this they didn't even release the source.
what kind of apps aside from battery killing games actually use the power of phones like the Gal. S3?
Do any of you guys have any experience with call recorders for the Galaxy S2 running CM?
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;37709829]what kind of apps aside from battery killing games actually use the power of phones like the Gal. S3?[/QUOTE]
Nothing does, really. Just games.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;37710171]Nothing does, really. Just games.[/QUOTE]
Emulators, Running full Linux desktop environments inside Android.
Bitcoin mining inside the Linux Environment (goodbye battery, hello scorching hot phone)
Reminds me, is it possible to make a dummy battery that's directly hooked up to a wall-wart power adapter, bypassing the phone's own charging circuit?
Could be neat along with a spare phone with a minimal Android version working in "symbiosis" with a Linux server [B]ON[/B] the phone.
Minimal webserver.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37706881]As for what you mentioned about software optimisation. The word slowly really needs to be put bold and underlined because it really is a slow process. Wow you made a 1.2GHz dual core with 1GB of RAM run a UI near 60fps, congratulations. Microsoft and Nokia over there did it always at 60fps with a more animation intensive UI on an 800MHz single core and 256MB of RAM, far below the Nexus One from nearly three years ago. But it is indeed moving forward, and hopefully the level of performance increases also increases so we get bigger and bigger jumps.[/QUOTE]
We have been over this many times. It's mainly due to the fact that Android's interface and all of its apps run on [B]Java[/B]. The hardware on Android phones trounce anything, however using Java instead of C#/Objective-C like its competitors is obviously going to be like powering your rocket ship with regular unleaded
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;37710856]We have been over this many times. It's mainly due to the fact that Android's interface and all of its apps run on [B]Java[/B]. The hardware on Android phones trounce anything, however using Java instead of C#/Objective-C like its competitors is obviously going to be like powering your rocket ship with regular unleaded[/QUOTE]
Google should [B]REALLY[/B] fund some independent group(s) to port Android to C or C++, and some toolkits/toolchains so app developers can easily merge from Java to the new system.
And a Java [I]"emulator/layer/whatever"[/I] for [I]"legacy"[/I] apps.
Or [B]MAYBE[/B] they'll do it themselves (which I doubt they will currently)
[SUP]I want to believe :´([/SUP]
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;37710856]We have been over this many times. It's mainly due to the fact that Android's interface and all of its apps run on [B]Java[/B]. The hardware on Android phones trounce anything, however using Java instead of C#/Objective-C like its competitors is obviously going to be like powering your rocket ship with regular unleaded[/QUOTE]
Android phone hardware doesn't "trounce anything" anymore, have you not had internet access for the past week? Like I said earlier, until A15 chips roll out or quad Kraits become more common it's behind. Also we've been over this many times yet it's continually insisted that there's either no issues at all or that it's something that everyone will just have to deal with because there's no alternative. As though Google has some insane man holding their programmers hostage only letting them continue while using Java. Ever heard of XobotOS? It doesn't sound like it so here's a link.
[url]http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/05/01/android-in-c-sharp/[/url]
Have some sort of emulation for legacy apps. It clearly wasn't impossible for some software company to do, should be no problem for Google.
[QUOTE=Van-man;37710896]Google should [B]REALLY[/B] fund some independent group(s) to port Android to C or C++, and some toolkits/toolchains so app developers can easily merge from Java to the new system.
And a Java [I]"emulator/layer/whatever"[/I] for [I]"legacy"[/I] apps.
Or [B]MAYBE[/B] they'll do it themselves (which I doubt they will currently)
[SUP]I want to believe :´([/SUP][/QUOTE]
Well many of the core components in the firmware and the kernels themselves are C/C++. It would be idealistic for Google to port everything to a faster language whilst still retaining the option to run Dalvik VMs for legacy applications as you stated. This would require a lot of work but it would mean a brighter future and a shit tonne more performance.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37710906]As though Google has some insane man holding their programmers hostage only letting them continue while using Java. [/QUOTE]
Only reason I can see, is because they're secretly in bed with Oracle.
Otherwise it seems like they're just stubbornly stuck to their old ways there.
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;37710919][b]Well many of the core components in the firmware and the kernels themselves are C/C++.[/b] It would be idealistic for Google to port everything to a faster language whilst still retaining the option to run Dalvik VMs for legacy applications as you stated. This would require a lot of work but it would mean a brighter future and a shit tonne more performance.[/QUOTE]
Well that's just it. From what I understand it's mainly the UI that was done in Java. It's not like everything underlying in the OS was done in Java, so it's not as monolithic of a project it sounds like when it's brought up.
[editline]18th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Van-man;37710928]Only reason I can see, is because they're secretly in bed with Oracle.
Otherwise it seems like they're just stubbornly stuck to their old ways there.[/QUOTE]
The Google Oracle lawsuit was obviously a smokescreen for some sort of large conspiracy.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37710906]Android phone hardware doesn't "trounce anything" anymore, have you not had internet access for the past week? Like I said earlier, until A15 chips roll out or quad Kraits become more common it's behind.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.itproportal.com/2012/09/17/benchmarks-show-iphone-5-trailing-galaxy-s-iii/[/URL]
Considering the pricing on this website, the [URL="http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-galaxy-s3-i9300-16gb.html"]Galaxy S3 16GB[/URL] being $550 and the [URL="http://www.mobicity.com.au/iphone-4s-16gb.html"]iPhone 4S 16GB[/URL] being $670 on this website. I think you can see that the power:performance ratio leans towards the S3
[editline]18th September 2012[/editline]
Also remember that the Benchmark software that has been used is an app running on Java which is being compared against the iPhone 5 running on their much more optimised native code. Geekbench results are good for real world performance but isn't good for comparing cross-platform hardware
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;37710959][url]http://www.itproportal.com/2012/09/17/benchmarks-show-iphone-5-trailing-galaxy-s-iii/[/url]
Considering the pricing on this website, the [url=http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-galaxy-s3-i9300-16gb.html]Galaxy S3 16GB[/url] being $550 and the [url=http://www.mobicity.com.au/iphone-4s-16gb.html]iPhone 4S 16GB[/url] being $670 on this website. I think you can see that the power:performance ratio leans towards the S3[/QUOTE]
They're both the same price in North America, for the S3 and the iPhone 5. You know I don't tell people the Intel i7 chips are $200 because if you can go to Microcenter if you live near one and get it for that, because it's not necessarily that much for everyone else. Using the pricing of one website alone is quite silly.
Also it was initially reported as faster than the S3, but the benchmarks for the top Android devices all somehow got bumped up in the past couple days.
[url]http://www.examiner.com/article/first-a6-benchmarks-show-iphone-5-faster-than-any-android-device[/url]
[editline]18th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;37710959]
Also remember that the Benchmark software that has been used is an app running on Java which is being compared against the iPhone 5 running on their much more optimised native code. Geekbench results are good for real world performance but isn't good for comparing cross-platform hardware[/QUOTE]
Well yah you're right, it's not good for cross platform hardware comparisons. But like you said, we're not benching processors, we're benching processors used in specific phones. If the code is a limiting factor in a phone's performance that'll be reflected in the phone's performance. So yah if I bench a Nokia Lumia 920 it'll probably be faster than the HTC One S which is basically the same internals, but that's because the Lumia is faster due to its code. So it's not like it's an unfair disadvantage when we're trying to see which devices perform better.
[editline]18th September 2012[/editline]
On a different note. Has there been any info about the next Nexus device? PyroCF showed me an article describing a device with a magical Cortex-A11 processor but I haven't seen anything that actually makes sense apart from speculation. I was disappointed with the Galaxy Nexus apart from the screen. It ran awfully on iCS, actually worse than the original Galaxy S running CyanogenMod 9. It had the same GPU used in my Galaxy S which was nearly two years old(albeit clocked faster), only 16GB of storage, and the camera is bad to say the least. It's definitely a lot better with Jellybean but there's just too many tradeoffs and I'm not buying any non Nexus devices anymore. Any predictions on what we'll see next? Something Qualcomm S4 based? Exynos 5? How about a top notch camera sensor and one of those nice RGB HD SAMOLED panels with some factory calibration? I seem to remember info leaks about the Galaxy Nexus around this time, but it feels like Google is either not planning a new one for November or they've really doubled down on secrecy.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37701013]lmao pics
good
lol no
i honestly don't even know why i bother reading that place - it's just shit i already saw on reddit[/QUOTE]
I meant you being linked to hedgehogs
Hey guys, I'm thinking about getting a Sony Xperia U.
Should I get it?
Looks like a good mid range phone from what gsmarena lists. Only runs Gingerbread though.
Anyone got an opinion of MIUI? Thought I might ask y'all before I flash it myself.
[QUOTE=MasterFen007;37713189]Anyone got an opinion of MIUI? Thought I might ask y'all before I flash it myself.[/QUOTE]
If you like the looks of iOS, then you'll most likely love it.
For everyone else it can be a hit-&-miss thing.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;37703830]Smooth isn't a constant term, it has no real defined meaning. I find the One X to be irritating to use, honestly only the Galaxy S III/Galaxy Nexus w/4.1.1 are phones I find satisfactory. And they're still not at the level of WP/iOS.
[editline]17th September 2012[/editline]
Oh and as for it never "freezing", I assuming you mean a stutter where it stops for a moment. Go into the Play Store, click on Apps, then side-scroll to Top Paid or Top Free and then scroll vertically. There you go, you just noticed your first stutter, or if you didn't you may want to visit an optician. It probably has happened a lot but you haven't noticed it because it hasn't been pointed out in a specific circumstance. Try it out in the Google+ app too. This is just one example and it occurs in pretty much [b]any app[/b] where you can scroll vertically while it tries to fetch network data at the same time. Why? Because whenever a lazy loading operation needs to perform a network operation, the UI thread is blocked for a moment.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't really bother me and 0.2 of a second isn't enough for me to actually consider calling the entire phone bad. When I say smooth, I mean it seems to flow fairly quickly. I'd never even noticed that delay until you pointed it out, which means you must have done some serious scrutinising and while I appreciate that, personally I'm not really that concerned about such a minor delay whereas with my wildfire I would call somebody by accident, I'd have to connect to the other person before I could hang up, It's a huge difference.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;37712628]Hey guys, I'm thinking about getting a Sony Xperia U.
Should I get it?[/QUOTE]
It only has an 8GB internal storage, 4GB where you can actually use it to store music and photos and such. Unless you are certain that 4GB is enough for you, then go ahead. If not, consider getting a phone with larger storage and/or a microSD card slot.
If you take a bunch of photos and videos, play games and listen to lots of music, this phone might not be right for you due to lack of storage.
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