[QUOTE=CPPNOOB;21709179]I won't fucking talk about how good Microsoft products are after I've lost hours of work through crashes.[/QUOTE]
And I won't talk about how I how kernel panicked my physical computer after running 2 virtualized 8086 instructions in QEMU running unprivileged.
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Anyway, on topic: I use Linux on my servers because it's cheap (if I had more money I'd use Windows Server), I sometimes dualboot into Ubuntu on my desktop when I feel like OS development because the tools are better, and I'm using Linux in a current software appliance project because it's free to distribute.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;21710346]...I have been using linux since before you were using computers[/QUOTE]
PROTIP: many of us have been using computers since before Linux was even around (and a few of the ones that were using computers before Linux were Unix nerds anyway), and the vast majority of those who haven't have been using computers since before GNU/Linux was a usable operating system.
Even if what you said was true, it would be totally irrelevant. What have you been doing on Linux the past 18 (and that's probably an overstatement, I'm just assuming you hopped on the Linux train the moment it came out) years? Fiddling with the "user friendly" distribution that not only holds your hand, but holds your hand on the way to the bathroom and shakes your cock off when you're done? Or have you been deep in the realms of compiling kernels and drivers, building programs from source, and patching software on your own?
Either way, you're coming off as an arrogant bastard. I understand that the anonymity that comes with the internet does things to people, but you're taking it quite a few steps above what's typically considered acceptable means.
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[QUOTE=turb_;21714768]And I won't talk about how I how kernel panicked my physical computer after running 2 virtualized 8086 instructions in QEMU running unprivileged.[/QUOTE]
I've kernel panicked twice, once was forced, once was due to me fucking up my /dev directory. Both were intentional.
I've bluescreened too many times to count. Pretty bad considering I only use Windows once or twice a month.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;21727257]I've kernel panicked twice, once was forced, once was due to me fucking up my /dev directory. Both were intentional.[/QUOTE]
Who hasn't forced a kernel panic for shiggles? My point was that Linux is not magically more stable or secure, it still suffers from the same bugs everything else does.
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I've bluescreened too many times to count. Pretty bad considering I only use Windows once or twice a month.[/QUOTE]
You're doing it wrong. I've been using this current install of Windows 7 since February and I've only blue screened twice. Once was me killing csrss.exe (kind of the equivalent of Linux's init) for shiggles and the other was my video card driver screwing up. Neither were Windows' fault
[QUOTE=turb_;21731195]Who hasn't forced a kernel panic for shiggles? My point was that Linux is not magically more stable or secure, it still suffers from the same bugs everything else does.
You're doing it wrong. I've been using this current install of Windows 7 since February and I've only blue screened twice. Once was me killing csrss.exe (kind of the equivalent of Linux's init) for shiggles and the other was my video card driver screwing up. Neither were Windows' fault[/QUOTE]
I've never had driver issues with the video card in Linux. I doubt Nvidia gives Linux better drivers than Windows just because why not.
[QUOTE=turb_;21731195]Who hasn't forced a kernel panic for shiggles? My point was that Linux is not magically more stable or secure, it still suffers from the same bugs everything else does.
You're doing it wrong. I've been using this current install of Windows 7 since February and I've only blue screened twice. Once was me killing csrss.exe (kind of the equivalent of Linux's init) for shiggles and the other was my video card driver screwing up. Neither were Windows' fault[/QUOTE]
I haven't blue screened Windows 7, but it's totally crashed (and froze) on me several times. And roughly 33% of all my bootups to Windows 7 fail.
I use it because windows works like shit on my laptop...
Which means [i]Free as in freedom[/i]
Windows causes my CPU temps to rise high enough to cause random shutdowns, where Linux doesn't do stupid shit like that. :)
...And Linux gets 100% of my hardware working OOTB!
Everyone here with Windows problems is seriously doing it wrong.
I use Windows every single day and I never have any problems.
Because sometimes I want to mess around with my OS (when I don't I use OS X) for the fun of it. And then I stay in because I can't be arsed to reboot.
[QUOTE=turb_;21808654]Everyone here with Windows problems is seriously doing it wrong.
I use Windows every single day and I never have any problems.[/QUOTE]
Everyone here with linux problems is seriously doing it wrong. I use linux every single day and I never have any problems.
I hope this helps you realise how worthless your argument is.
[QUOTE=blankthemuffin;21813361]Everyone here with linux problems is seriously doing it wrong. I use linux every single day and I never have any problems.
I hope this helps you realise how worthless your argument is.[/QUOTE]
The argument works both ways, so it isn't worthless. But a lot of the problems people have been having with Windows are either brought on by themselves, or due to hardware.
Because I wanted a clean install of an OS on my laptop and couldn't be assed to go buy Windows 7
Majority of computer users I know (about 100% of them) use Windows XP or 7.
I'm about the only Linux user I've met in real life. :frown:
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;21852709]Majority of computer users I know (about 100% of them) use Windows XP or 7.
I'm about the only Linux user I've met in real life. :frown:[/QUOTE]
Where do you live? Every computer round where I live has Vista/XP, only 1 PC uses Windows 7 and that's my grandparents one.
[QUOTE=MasterF3n;21852954]Where do you live? Every computer round where I live has Vista/XP, only 1 PC uses Windows 7 and that's my grandparents one.[/QUOTE]
I fix computers for family and friends, so I keep everyone updated to Windows 7 as much as possible. I have yet to convince my parents to make the switch from XP to 7, since they use periferals that were made only for Windows xp. Everyone calls on me for help since I fix these buggers for a living. I live in Beaverton, Oregon. Very close to 3 Intel plants, and I've worked at two of them before. Talk about slave drivers... -_-
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;21852709]Majority of computer users I know (about 100% of them) use Windows XP or 7.
I'm about the only Linux user I've met in real life. :frown:[/QUOTE]
Out of the people who I know what operating system they have, Windows 7 is dominant, and GNU/Linux comes in a close second.
(note that's friends, people who I fix computers for doesn't count)
Now I have started getting used to using Terminal and other things in Linux I'm starting to see why it is so popular in customizing communities and reverse engineering (something that has interested me a bit). I still have quite a way to go mind you :v:
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;21852709]Majority of computer users I know (about 100% of them) use Windows XP or 7.
I'm about the only Linux user I've met in real life. :frown:[/QUOTE]
There were like 3 people I knew of at my old high school that used Linux.
And my boss at work uses it. But I work as a programmer, so yeah.
I use it just because I got bored with Windows. At this point I've been working with Windows since I was 7-8, I'm 18 now. I felt like branching off to working with a different operating system was a good idea.
Because my computer used to have XP, but viruses fucked it up but I didn't have my discs. I'm keeping it because it serves its purpose well and runs faster than XP.
I have issues with flash though.
[B]This is a PC I'm currently fixing in front of me.[/B] I'm getting paid $80 to fix two similar DELL towers, both are Dimension 3100's with matching specs. P4 @2.8, 512MB RAM, Intel graphics.
[img]http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9481/95559666.png[/img]
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God damn, I'm glad I'm not a Windows user anymore. I got tired of fixing this shit on my own computers.
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;21915366]God damn, I'm glad I'm not a Windows user anymore. I got tired of fixing this shit on my own computers.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, shut the fuck up. It's nothing wrong with Windows, it's the user being an idiot.
I use Windows full-time and I haven't gotten a virus infestation for years.
Sure I've downloaded viruses while doing possibly dodgy activities, but I always run a virus scanner over those 'suspicious' files first, then run them through Sandboxie.
It's really not hard to stop your Windows box from going to shit, you just need to know what the fuck you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, you're going to run into the same troubles on Linux as you do on Windows.
[QUOTE=turb_;21916961]Yeah, shut the fuck up. It's nothing wrong with Windows, it's the user being an idiot.
I use Windows full-time and I haven't gotten a virus infestation for years.
Sure I've downloaded viruses while doing possibly dodgy activities, but I always run a virus scanner over those 'suspicious' files first, then run them through Sandboxie.
It's really not hard to stop your Windows box from going to shit, you just need to know what the fuck you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, you're going to run into the same troubles on Linux as you do on Windows.[/QUOTE]
As much as I love to rib on windows, I have to agree that as long as you're not retarded, getting viruses on Windows isn't really a problem you can spot suspicious files a mile away and keep them away from your computer.
But then surely this argument works both ways in that a smarter class of person runs Linux :smug:
The only reason that a smarter class of people use Linux is because it's well known in technology circles, but practically unheard of in the general public.
Because of source code development and the command line (regex renaming files FTW).
I just love everything about Linux, the Linux community and .. well, yeah :D
[QUOTE=turb_;21916961]Yeah, shut the fuck up. It's nothing wrong with Windows, it's the user being an idiot.
I use Windows full-time and I haven't gotten a virus infestation for years.
Sure I've downloaded viruses while doing possibly dodgy activities, but I always run a virus scanner over those 'suspicious' files first, then run them through Sandboxie.
It's really not hard to stop your Windows box from going to shit, you just need to know what the fuck you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, you're going to run into the same troubles on Linux as you do on Windows.[/QUOTE]
Really you're wrong. Newer versions of windows are getting better, but linux and most distros are by design more secure.
Firstly the obvious one that affects older windows versions where the user generally has administrator level access to the system. This is of course less of an issue these days with Vista+.
Secondly the majority of windows software that people use comes from untrusted downloads from sites on the internet. This is inherently insecure.
Compare this approach of download and run to the majority of linux software coming from secure repositories over a secure link, it's pretty clear why there are a lot of people falling into traps.
Remember it's not just technical issues, but social issues in the way people are taught to interact with their machines. To me, a technically aware user, deciding what to run and what not to run is easy as pie, and as such I don't have any issues with my windows machine. To your average user when everything comes through one channel and they're supposed to differentiate between good and bad themselves...
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And the user is very rarely an idiot. You'd be best to take that into mind if ever you write non-trivial software.
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And the user is very rarely an idiot. You'd be best to take that into mind if ever you write non-trivial software.[/QUOTE]
It is in my experience that the average computer user is an idiot.
[QUOTE=blankthemuffin;21937210]Really you're wrong. Newer versions of windows are getting better, but linux and most distros are by design more secure.
Firstly the obvious one that affects older windows versions where the user generally has administrator level access to the system. This is of course less of an issue these days with Vista+.
Secondly the majority of windows software that people use comes from untrusted downloads from sites on the internet. This is inherently insecure.
Compare this approach of download and run to the majority of linux software coming from secure repositories over a secure link, it's pretty clear why there are a lot of people falling into traps.
Remember it's not just technical issues, but social issues in the way people are taught to interact with their machines. To me, a technically aware user, deciding what to run and what not to run is easy as pie, and as such I don't have any issues with my windows machine. To your average user when everything comes through one channel and they're supposed to differentiate between good and bad themselves...
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And the user is very rarely an idiot. You'd be best to take that into mind if ever you write non-trivial software.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that anything you download on Linux is automatically non-executable.
On Windows you can simply visit a website, and it can download and run an executable. Nothing on Linux is executable unless you make it so.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;21939029]It is in my experience that the average computer user is an idiot.[/QUOTE]
People saying that kind of shallow, trite, and elitist crap tells me to steer clear of insular communities.
Anyone who isn't interested in computers is likely to be more interested in what they want to do on a computer than the computer itself. It's perfectly understandable that some may not to want to get bogged down with the details because they've spent a lifetime working in a profession or similarly learning and find the prospect of plumbing a computer a similarly daunting task. You'll find people have interests and follow them to the same extent we do. Obviously if something is never mentioned then it won't be considered. Saying "type in firefox to open firefox" may be enough for some, even if it wooshes over what "firefox" actually means in a shell because that's something different from what they want to do.
But when something is able to fit in concept in a mind - like a Start menu of program folders - then the details start to fit in.
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