If money's a problem you should go with ferrus' build, performance will be a little better than mine but with some cheaper components
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[QUOTE='[GM] Gaw;23111559']Delivery with Aria costs £26.95 to eire. So yeah. Not an option. While eBuyer aren't the only shop on the planet, they are one of the few who ship to Ireland [U]at what it costs[/U] and not bumping up the price by over 200%.
Mobo is a bit meh, RAM also looks quite weak, but I guess you did leave a bit of room for the 5850..[/QUOTE]
If your not going to put up the extra £50 or so for a more expensive motherboard and RAM then you can't really complain about the ones that are suggested to you because they are inside your budget
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/cwdx.png[/img]
Alright, that's what I have, and will add another 5770 to it in <6 months.
Any other additions or changes?
[QUOTE]Mobo is a bit meh, RAM also looks quite weak[/QUOTE]
You need to get your priorities straight if you want a well-rounded budget gaming computer. It is a common misconception that the bandwidth of the RAM has a huge impact on performance, when in fact the difference, at least with the speeds we are talking about, i.e 1333 vs 1600, is negligible. Granted the latency timings are a little better with the G.Skill, but again it will not make a meaningful difference. Not worth £20 in my book, particularly when you are on a budget, but you could get away with it since it's only £20. Relevant: [url]http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/ddr2-800-vs-ddr3-1333.html[/url]
The motherboard? What is wrong with it? It will take the CPU, it will take the RAM, the graphics card, it's from a respected brand with a 3 year warranty - what's the problem? What do you get for that £40?
You have already acknowledged that the X6 is inferior to the i5 750 for gaming purposes - why get that?
I would not recommend the Storm Scout on this budget. You can save ~£30-40 here.
Why pay for a 700W PSU when even a solid 450W unit is all you need?
Stop being so fucking picky on a European budget build. You're not going to get shit for your money over there so stop complaining about the components these fine gentlemen are recommending for you. Stop being poor or fucking deal with a limited selection.
[QUOTE=ferrus;23114342]The motherboard? What is wrong with it? It will take the CPU, it will take the RAM, the graphics card, it's from a respected brand with a 3 year warranty - what's the problem? What do you get for that £40?[/quote]
Cheap motherboards are bad news generally
[QUOTE=ferrus;23114342]You have already acknowledged that the X6 is inferior to the i5 750 for gaming purposes - why get that?[/quote]
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=22678359[/url]
An i5 today is a bad investment even if it is slightly faster in current games and applications.
[QUOTE=ferrus;23114342]I would not recommend the Storm Scout on this budget. You can save ~£30-40 here.
Why pay for a 700W PSU when even a solid 450W unit is all you need?[/QUOTE]
Agreed here, you could spend half what that bundle costs for a decent case+PSU. 450W is unlikely to be enough for a future crossfire though.
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/g7sf.png[/img]
Are you really trying to fit the X6 in there again
really
[QUOTE=Odellus;23116719]Are you really trying to fit the X6 in there again
really[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=22678359[/url]
Can't go wrong with a i5-750 tbh.
[QUOTE='[GM] Gaw;23116769'][url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=22678359[/url][/QUOTE]
You are an idiot and these are the last pieces of advice I will give you:
-AMD are also releasing a new architecture in the next couple of years so they are no more competitive in that respect
-The AM3 socket will probably be outdated before your processor will be
-The 1055t IS WORSE AT GAMING THAN THE 955 AND MORE EXPENSIVE
[url]http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/31407-amd-phenom-ii-x6-1055t-1090t-six-core-processors-review-12.html[/url] (benchmarks proving this)
The build you just posted is almost as crappy as your original despite the fact that several other,better, builds have been suggested. If you come here looking fore advice take it
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[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;23116107]Cheap motherboards are bad news generally
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=22678359[/url]
An i5 today is a bad investment even if it is slightly faster in current games and applications.
Agreed here, you could spend half what that bundle costs for a decent case+PSU. 450W is unlikely to be enough for a future crossfire though.[/QUOTE]
You are also an idiot. You keep on posting about how the i5 will become outdated irrespective of the fact that AMD are also releasing a new architecture. Also if you bothered to read the rest of the thread you would know that a) 550W is the lowest rated PSU that has been suggested and b) OP is on a tight budget and can't afford headroom. As Ferrus stated before the motherboard is from a respected manufacturer and comes with a three year warranty. Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean all cheaper motherboards are bad
[quote]-AMD are also releasing a new architecture in the next couple of years so they are no more competitive in that respect[/quote]
From the moment you buy a new PC, you should always take the risk of it being exceeded one day or another by a new component or shit.
The point is not to wait several years for the latest model, except in this case, all models from today can be considered outdated.
[QUOTE=FINLEY;23122563]
-AMD are also releasing a new architecture in the next couple of years so they are no more competitive in that respect
-The AM3 socket will probably be outdated before your processor will be
[/QUOTE]
The next AMD architecture is AM3+ and it will work in AM3 motherboards. The same cannot be said for intel, they are going trigger happy over sockets, fucking socket this, socket that.
[QUOTE=FINLEY;23122563]
-The 1055t IS WORSE AT GAMING THAN THE 955 AND MORE EXPENSIVE
[URL]http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/31407-amd-phenom-ii-x6-1055t-1090t-six-core-processors-review-12.html[/URL] (benchmarks proving this)
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3fps worse. It does the same in particle testing. It's easier to OC with the phenom II also, since it's stock is 2.8 rather than 2.66.
Temps are lower since it doesn't have shit stock.
So I am paying £3.50 less for 2 more cores, and better performance when I OC, plus a future proof motherboard that will last for at least 2 years, while socket 1156 is ALREADY outdated.
[QUOTE=FINLEY;23122563]
The build you just posted is almost as crappy as your original despite the fact that several other,better, builds have been suggested. If you come here looking fore advice take it
[/QUOTE]
No, it's almost the same as my original build, except I've switched to your RAM, switched case to one my friend got and says is very good, switched PSU so it has 100 less watts, switched type of 5770.
So, the only thing I have kept is the 1055t. Which you seem to hate.
Realistically, I want this build to last for a while after adding in another 5770.
Firstly there is no proof that the new bulldozer cores will work in an AM3 motherboard, and it seems unlikely that they would. Certainly no new AM3 processors will be brought out. Also that stuff you said about overclocking is complete shit, you don't know what you're talking about. The only reason I'm arguing with you is because I'm trying to help you get the best build for your money.
the X6's are rubbish at gaming and pretty bad in general, 6 really old architecture cores are not as good as 4 really new ones.
Res5:
[IMG]http://www.legionhardware.com/images/review/AMD_Phenom_II_X6_1090T_BE_1055T/Gaming_04.png[/IMG]
L4D:
[IMG]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22634.png[/IMG]
And no, there is no 'proof', just the fact that unlike intel, the way AMD operate is that they reuse the same socket for a long time, unlike Intel who seem to have over six new sockets planned. There is no reason to believe that bulldozer won't be AM3+.
~20fps for 2 more cores and being future proof?
For the last time bulldozer is a whole new architecture, not just a couple of extra cores so it works in a very different way. So buying the x6 is not 'future proofing' your build because the socket will be outdated before your cpu is. Like I said before if you come asking for advice, take it
[QUOTE=FINLEY;23127661]For the last time bulldozer is a whole new architecture, not just a couple of extra cores so it works in a very different way. So buying the x6 is not 'future proofing' your build because the socket will be outdated before your cpu is. Like I said before if you come asking for advice, take it[/QUOTE]
[img]http://tech.icrontic.com/files/2009/11/amd_analyst_day_2009_desktop_roadmap.png[/img]
[QUOTE=FINLEY;23122563]You are also an idiot. You keep on posting about how the i5 will become outdated irrespective of the fact that AMD are also releasing a new architecture. Also if you bothered to read the rest of the thread you would know that a) 550W is the lowest rated PSU that has been suggested and b) OP is on a tight budget and can't afford headroom. As Ferrus stated before the motherboard is from a respected manufacturer and comes with a three year warranty. Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean all cheaper motherboards are bad[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like I haven't been part of this discussion for the best part of a month.
The post I was replying to mentioned a 450W PSU, and spending the extra money to get a decent SLI/Crossfire motherboard with a dead end socket (1156) is pretty stupid.
A bulldozer cpu is highly likely to drop right into any half decent 890 chipset motherboard, at the expense of possible triple channel memory and integrated graphics. On the other hand, going for an i5 means a small performance gain now, but having to spend a lot more on an upgrade later.
You have to take into consideration that this will be his only build for quite a while, and neither an i5 nor obviously a 1055t will necessarily last that long (in terms of performance).
Also I have had two bad experiences with cheap motherboards, one a £40 ASRock (not really surprising) and the other a well-reviewed £65 Asus board. It's not that they were faulty, they just didn't overclock or take 4 sticks of RAM without becoming completely unstable. In the end, it took a fan on the chipset heatsink to get the Asus board to do either of these things.
Asrock have a pretty bad rep, terrible warranty too. The i5 750 wouldn't need upgrading for a long time, so I don't see a problem there.
The 450W PSU remark I made was of course about a single card config, not crossfire.
[QUOTE=ferrus;23130267]The i5 750 wouldn't need upgrading for a long time, so I don't see a problem there.
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But WHEN I do, I would need to buy a new mobo and a new cpu.
And most likely new/more RAM
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;23131306]And most likely new/more RAM[/QUOTE]
Would probably need to do that with bulldozer too though so that doesn't count.
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For triple channel
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So you would need a new mobo and RAM for triple channel
Get a Phenom II 955. If you're going to upgrade to a bulldozer ([b]IF[/b] they work in AM3), it's cheaper to just get a 955. [b]NO games that I know of, even support six cores.[/b] You're cheaper of getting a 955, and it'll perform the same, unless you plan on rendering four videos at once.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;23131889]Get a Phenom II 955. If you're going to upgrade to a bulldozer ([b]IF[/b] they work in AM3), it's cheaper to just get a 955. [b]NO games that I know of, even support six cores.[/b] You're cheaper of getting a 955, and it'll perform the same, unless you plan on rendering four videos at once.[/QUOTE]
Yeh but by that time they might do.
Anyway the likely thing is, by the way they've rolled in the past, it's going to work on AM3 and AM3+
[QUOTE=derlicious;23132062]Yeh but by that time they might do.
Anyway the likely thing is, by the way they've rolled in the past, it's going to work on AM3 and AM3+[/QUOTE]
This, I want it to last a while.
The 955 will last a while too.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;23133026]The 955 will last a while too.[/QUOTE]
That's not really an argument.
Well, yes it is. If you plan on buying a bulldozer in half a year, buy a 955.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;23133309]Well, yes it is. If you plan on buying a bulldozer in half a year, buy a 955.[/QUOTE]
I don't plan on buying a bulldozer in half a year, probably in 1-2 years.
I still don't think it's worth it.
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