Me and my tech teacher installed ubuntu in his networking lab. Then reinstalled windows and then setup a age of empires 2 tournament.
My school uses Windows for the library, faculty, and web design, and Macs for the Cinematography and Photoshop classes. Linux doesn't even come close to our school. Most of the students are happy with using Internet Explorer and Word, and since my portable hard drive can run Steam from any PC, I'm fine with the computers as well.
[QUOTE=jivemasta;16821669]Usually schools get windows free or cheap from places like dell and such. Plus, businesses use office programs and open office is different enough that they couldn't use it to train for business careers. Then, there's teaching programs that are windows only and probably don't have an open source alternative.
To those saying it would take forever to "teach" people how to use linux: Linux isn't hard to use, people that use it make it sound hard to use to lengthen their e-peen. Something like linux mint, ubuntu, or fedora would just seem like windows with a skin to most people. It's not like they are totally different interfaces and shit. You still have a "start" menu, you still have windows with 3 buttons in the corner to min, max and close. Until you get to the command prompt, most linux distros are pretty self explanitory to a windows user.[/QUOTE]
and the network would have to be restructured. it'd cost more in the long run.
[QUOTE=gparent;16826454]You don't even need to pop the disk in for Linux. It's a lot more user-friendly than Windows. But either way, you wouldn't need to do anything like that because you'd probably be using already configured network printers.[/QUOTE]
hahahaha. more user friendly my ass. having to make your own programs and use the command line is much less user friendly than clicking a simple .exe. there is also a huge lack of support. what if something does not work? call the linux help line?
[QUOTE=ShaRose_;16825372]They should have fired that moron.[/QUOTE]
Oh, not those elitist mac users, again! :wink:
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[QUOTE=Kaliber;16828012]My school uses fedora.
:smug:[/QUOTE]
You jest!
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[QUOTE=its shortie;16828051]Me and my tech teacher installed ubuntu in his networking lab. Then reinstalled windows and then setup a age of empires 2 tournament.[/QUOTE]
Again - you jest!
They used Linux in my elementary school, but in my highschool, they use Windows, probably since the highschool computers have a lot more programs.
I talked to a canadian guy whose school district used all open source stuff, they ran ubuntu on their systems.
My school uses Macs and I hate it. I hate Macs, they are pathetic and useless.
All my computer knowledge to waste because they use Macs.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;16828424]My school uses Macs and I hate it. I hate Macs, they are pathetic and useless.
All my computer knowledge to waste because they use Macs.[/QUOTE]
My school has four moving imaging suites filled with macs, the place looks so clean, bluetooth speakers in the walls, damn.
Then you get to the shitty Dell computers in the ICT suites. The only time in my life I have ever preferred a mac.
[QUOTE=Foda;16828295]hahahaha. more user friendly my ass. having to make your own programs and use the command line is much less user friendly than clicking a simple .exe. there is also a huge lack of support. what if something does not work? call the linux help line?[/QUOTE]
For any regular user at a school, they would never have to mess with the command line, or compile programs. That would be the IT guy's job if it was needed. And even then, most of the major stuff comes in packages anyways, so it's just a matter of putting in the root password and using apt-get or synaptic or yum.
As for support, there's tons of free support and you can buy pro support for red hat I believe.
Linux would work at schools, it just won't happen because windows makes more sense because it's what most people feel comfortable with.
Oh, and how would the network have to be restructured? Linux systems work on the same protocols as windows does.
because not everybody is a nerd like you.
Because the IT department has been trained in a Windows-environment and they haven't got a clue how to go on about Linux.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;16823566]Linux is impractile because it is not user friendly, When someone needs to install a printer it is so much easier to just pop in the disk and run it than 7 steps for adding things.[/QUOTE]
1) Take printer cable
2) Insert into computer
3) Wait a few seconds for drivers to start up
4) Done
my school uses mac's, it makes the school look so much nicer, and they are really easy to use. you're at school, you only need like internet browsing, office, and image editing programs. dells at a school make the place look so much more... cheaper.
I was expecting a Mac thread. The only schools I know that use Windows also include computer based classes like HTML and C++.
[QUOTE=Machk;16821861]Linux is pretty hard to moderate use, whereas there are programs made for Windows that can automatically filter web searches/block illicit content that are not as reliable or even available on Linux.[/QUOTE]
Ever heard of open dns?
And also to all of those people saying "Open office differs from MS office", It doesn't, open office is pretty much the same thing as Open Office, hell, I took my excel course in computer class with Open Office calc, and everything worked fine. Also, Open Office has MS office 2003/XP compatibility which most businesses and offices still use, and are compatible with 2007 as well.
And linux is not complicated, it's just a OS nobodies really bothered with on a mass user scale. It's pretty much like every other GUI-Based OS.
So why don't people use linux? Well, it's not very well known.
[QUOTE=KrAzY_nikomo;16828885]Because the IT department has been trained in a Windows-environment and they haven't got a clue how to go on about Linux.
1) Take printer cable
2) Insert into computer
3) Wait a few seconds for drivers to start up
4) Done[/QUOTE]
Have they gotten it that good now? Fedora was a pain in the ass to get my HP printer to work with, and faxing pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff never got that to work
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;16828986]Have they gotten it that good now? Fedora was a pain in the ass to get my HP printer to work with, and faxing pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff never got that to work[/QUOTE]
Aye, 99%* of printers work nowadays as plug'n'play
*Number pulled from my ass but it's a huge majority.
[QUOTE=KrAzY_nikomo;16829073]Aye, 99%* of printers work nowadays as plug'n'play
*Number pulled from my ass but it's a huge majority.[/QUOTE]
Is it the same with wireless cards now?
My dad works in the lab department, and in the music department of TX State University. It's really cool.
They have macs everywhere except in the library. And the ones in the library take about 6 minutes to load. They're cheap dell optiplex's and most of them have to have the virus software run on them about twice a day (yes, day...)
The macs, are so clean though. Every year a new model comes out, they buy it and I get a free one to take home. We've never had a problem with them, except from when the RAM failed in one of them, but that package was wet so it was probably water damage.
The server that runs the printers however, uses linux. It's a hell of a great server too. When we installed some update for the firmware or w/e in the server, it broke the ability to connect to the printer. So one of the students wrote a code for it.
Using the fucking awesome makefile override that linux has. And he fixed it.
If they didn't use windows then you couldn't see out the building.
:downs:
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;16829273]If they didn't use windows then you couldn't see out the building.
:downs:[/QUOTE]
har har. that makes sense.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;16829082]Is it the same with wireless cards now?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, depending on the distro. I know ubuntu and all its kin install most wireless drivers now. Most printers should work now too, unless it's like a brand new model with no open source drivers. For linux, usually the older your hardware the better your chances of it working with 0 effort on your part.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;16829082]Is it the same with wireless cards now?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jivemasta;16829297]Yeah, depending on the distro. I know ubuntu and all its kin install most wireless drivers now. Most printers should work now too, unless it's like a brand new model with no open source drivers. For linux, usually the older your hardware the better your chances of it working with 0 effort on your part.[/QUOTE]
Aye, on my Acer Aspire One, the wireless card works out of the box.
There's a couple of those 50mb distros like damn small linux in which they don't include the drivers but you know, nobody actually uses those full-time.
Because everyone is a Microsoft Zombie and isn't aware of free Linux alternatives.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;16828424]My school uses Macs and I hate it. I hate Macs, they are pathetic and useless.
All my computer knowledge to waste because they use Macs.[/QUOTE]
You must have an Xbox.
Macs are good for what they are designed for, which is everything but gaming.
sure beats using macs.
but I agree, schools using linux would be nice, and maybe another step towards the compatibility it's missing.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;16827819]Last time I used linux it wouldn't run .EXE files so how do you propose that the average IT guy install the drivers to an HP6v000, without using wine or the like?[/QUOTE]
.exe files are compiled binaries for Windows. They'll never natively work on Linux. :raise:
Compiled binaries for Linux generally don't have a file extension. .rpm and .deb aren't what I'm talking about either, those are like .tar packages.
Too lazy to quote your next post, but most printers do work with the Gutenprint driver package.
[url]http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=gutenprint[/url]
See if your printer is on that site.
Wifi is still kind of hit or miss, but getting better. Certain Broadcom chips work, and Atheros, Ralink, and Intel chips work.
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Back to printers. You still need to use Cups as far as I know, which I have no experience with.
In my school they only used macs
i thought this would be a mac thread so i put my angry face on when i came in
Microsoft is going down the tubes. Linux is becoming more popular and it's not hacked together.
If schools had an IT educated board of governors, then yeah. But for colleges and universities, sometimes windows is essential and practical.
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