Post your network - Hardware & Software

A lot of people seem to have servers at home... Why?

[QUOTE=Killuah;16152656]A lot of people seem to have servers at home... Why?[/QUOTE] Firewalls, file/movie/music/game servers, etc You could do lots of those on your main PC (file/movie/music) but if you have a dedicated server, it can be less powerful, use less electricity, be quieter and be on constantly, so other people can always get to stuff.

Mine's simple: [img]http://imgkk.com/i/CUXhBlOr.jpg[/img] In less lame terms: Modem: Cayman 3351 (Crap, ADSL) Router: Linksys WRT54G V4 w/ DD-WRT V24 Acer Aspire One Custom Gaming PC 1 Custom Gaming PC 2 Cat5e all round.

[QUOTE=anklyne;16152102]Slow and expensive, then.[/QUOTE] Neither. [QUOTE=anklyne;16152102]And uses more power ;)[/QUOTE] ... An insignificant amount, yes. [QUOTE=anklyne;16152102]It'll never be as secure as a hard line though,[/QUOTE] You're right, WPA2 would actually be more secure on the tech side. Now I'm not saying someone is going to break into your house to steal your internet, but if you ever have people over and don't want them using your internet connection, a physical plug will not provide any restrictions to their access. WPA2 will. [QUOTE=anklyne;16152102]but then again, not everyone knows how to 'hack' into a wireless network.[/QUOTE] Right, not to mention there are no current attacks on WPA2 AFAIK (Except brute force/dictionary) [QUOTE=anklyne;16152102]And there's also the convenience of portability for laptops 'n' such.[/QUOTE] Of course, but if you're like me there are enough plugs and long cables to get by :P I agree that Wired owns and I'd never use Wireless on my main computer, but I don't believe the points you brought up are applicable for a laptop. Security is good now, and only the shittiest router will have trouble encrypting data on the fly (I wouldn't be surprised if hardware was used for this).

Everyone seems to be forgetting that adding a MAC level filter to the client access list makes wireless just as secure as cable, with or without encryption. On the topic of servers: im running 3. One is dedicated to being a file / web / media server, the other two are re-configured as and when i need them. Right now theyre running 6 VM's between them for a virtual network test. Useful to have around, if you have a use for them.

[QUOTE=birkett;16156503]Everyone seems to be forgetting that adding a MAC level filter to the client access list makes wireless just as secure as cable, with or without encryption. On the topic of servers: im running 3. One is dedicated to being a file / web / media server, the other two are re-configured as and when i need them. Right now theyre running 6 VM's between them for a virtual network test. Useful to have around, if you have a use for them.[/QUOTE] I only use MAC filtering. Not one moocher in 3 years of Wifi.

[QUOTE=birkett;16156503]Everyone seems to be forgetting that adding a MAC level filter to the client access list makes wireless just as secure as cable, with or without encryption. [/QUOTE] Bull-fucking-shit. Anyone and their dog can sniff a MAC connected to the network and then change its own MAC address at the driver level to bypass such useless protection. Sure, you may run into some problems when the two computers are used at the same time, but whenever the other computer logs off you're free to do whatever you want.

[QUOTE=Recording...;16084446]Not as fance as everyone else's, but it shows what i really own. :P [img]http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2967/mynetwork.jpg[/img] The router is a WRT54GS v1.1 running DD-WRT v24 RC1[/QUOTE] I thought the bottom right was some sort of spacey microwave.

[QUOTE=gparent;16157414]Bull-fucking-shit. Anyone and their dog can sniff a MAC connected to the network and then change its own MAC address at the driver level to bypass such useless protection. Sure, you may run into some problems when the two computers are used at the same time, but whenever the other computer logs off you're free to do whatever you want.[/QUOTE] It's more than enough for home networks. While it may be simple to bypass for some technically minded people. 99% of people who are looking for a nearby network to leach off, just try to connect, then give up if it doesn't work. Home networks don't need encryption unless you live in a very heavily populated area

[QUOTE=Druchii;16154517]Mine's simple: [img]http://imgkk.com/i/CUXhBlOr.jpg[/img] In less lame terms: Modem: Cayman 3351 (Crap, ADSL) Router: Linksys WRT54G V4 w/ DD-WRT V24 Acer Aspire One Custom Gaming PC 1 Custom Gaming PC 2 Cat5e all round.[/QUOTE] Update: [img]http://imgkk.com/i/R9pDszc.png[/img]

I have a typical setup... Modem: Ambit 60678EU (Charter 5mbit Service) Router: Linksys WRT54G Router is hooked up to my pc (wired) and then everything else connects via wi-fi (Zune, DS, mom's iPhone, friend's laptop, etc.) My computer is the only one that gets used since the other one we have sucks balls, and I'm the only one who uses a computer at home anyways.

I took pictures of my devices myself. Here's my diagram. [img]http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3550/networkdiagram.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;16157952]I thought the bottom right was some sort of spacey microwave.[/QUOTE] It's definetely bulky looking. It reminds me of my old Velocity Micro Premium Case.

My net work goes like.... Internet | V Computer AMAZING

[QUOTE=apwd007;16158582]It's more than enough for home networks. -blablabla-[/QUOTE] He didn't say it was "good enough", he said it was "as secure as a hard line", which is entirely wrong.

[IMG]http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9780/networkn.jpg[/IMG] Taa-daa!

[QUOTE=gparent;16173861]blah blah blah.[/QUOTE] You said 'Anyone and their dog can sniff a MAC connected to the network and then change its own MAC address at the driver level to bypass such useless protection' Which is complete rubbish.

[QUOTE=apwd007;16175119]You said 'Anyone and their dog can sniff a MAC connected to the network and then change its own MAC address at the driver level to bypass such useless protection'.[/QUOTE] When I say "anyone and their dog", I mean people who actually are trying to gain access to the network. Not people who won't even try to connect to any network but their own. Basically, if you actually look for tutorials or tools to help you gain entry in a network, you're in the group of people I'm talking about, and you should be able to figure out how to change your MAC address.

[QUOTE=gparent;16155060]Neither.[/quote] AU$75 for a cheap 108Mbps AP plus AU$34 for 108Mbps cards for every computer that's going to use it, or just use the onboard LAN and a cable that isn't limited by the amount of walls in the way? I know you can get 300Mbit wireless, but that's far to expensive right now (for me at least). [quote]... An insignificant amount, yes.[/quote] I know, that was a bit of a joke referring to this: [quote=anklyne]Not to mention, if you wanna get anal about it all, there's a lot more wasted energy unless you have directional antennas[/quote] [quote]You're right, WPA2 would actually be more secure on the tech side. Now I'm not saying someone is going to break into your house to steal your internet, but if you ever have people over and don't want them using your internet connection, a physical plug will not provide any restrictions to their access. WPA2 will.[/quote] A physical plug will provide an excellent restriction if they don't have a cable or are unable to find somewhere to plug it in (though that wouldn't be too hard in my house :P) Of course my friends don't just walk into my house and plug in to the network and start using my internet. They'd have to get through a locked front door first, then me. My friends aren't jerks though so it's not a problem anyway. [quote]Right, not to mention there are no current attacks on WPA2 AFAIK (Except brute force/dictionary)[/quote] So there are attacks on it then? I'd assume someone has been successful in gaining access to a WPA2 secured network. I've yet to hear of someone wardriving and getting into a fully wired network :P [quote]Of course, but if you're like me there are enough plugs and long cables to get by :P[/quote] 100m of Cat5e and 150m of Cat6 spare plus fuck loads of unused cables? Yeah, I guess we have enough :P [quote]I agree that Wired owns and I'd never use Wireless on my main computer, but I don't believe the points you brought up are applicable for a laptop. Security is good now, and only the shittiest router will have trouble encrypting data on the fly (I wouldn't be surprised if hardware was used for this).[/QUOTE] I don't see how they would differ for a computer and a laptop, but okay. Just having a password is good enough to keep people from just connecting to your network and using it, which is probably the main reason you'd need it. If someone knows what their doing and is determined they're gonna get in anyway, but I guess you just gotta live with having to watch out for that. I ain't no pro on the ins and outs of wi-fi though, so I'm expecting someone to make me look like a fool after this :v:

[QUOTE=anklyne;16176315]AU$75 for a cheap 108Mbps AP plus AU$34 for 108Mbps cards for every computer that's going to use it, or just use the onboard LAN and a cable that isn't limited by the amount of walls in the way?[/quote] I thought you meant Wireless without encryption vs Wireless with encryption. Sorry :P [QUOTE=anklyne;16176315]A physical plug will provide an excellent restriction if they don't have a cable or are unable to find somewhere to plug it in (though that wouldn't be too hard in my house :P) Of course my friends don't just walk into my house and plug in to the network and start using my internet. They'd have to get through a locked front door first, then me. My friends aren't jerks though so it's not a problem anyway.[/quote] Right. I was thinking purely on the technical aspect. In the real world, it's very unlikely that you'll want to protect your wired network from the inside. (as you've mentioned) [QUOTE=anklyne;16176315]So there are attacks on it then? I'd assume someone has been successful in gaining access to a WPA2 secured network. I've yet to hear of someone wardriving and getting into a fully wired network :P[/quote] Well, everytime you use a password it's possible to attack it. However, a long enough password is virtually impossible to decrypt unless you dedicate huge amount of resources to it. [QUOTE=anklyne;16176315]100m of Cat5e and 150m of Cat6 spare plus fuck loads of unused cables? Yeah, I guess we have enough :P[/quote] I can't wait 'till I have to run Cat6 in my house :P [QUOTE=anklyne;16176315]I don't see how they would differ for a computer and a laptop, but okay.[/quote] I should've said wired vs wireless. My bad. [QUOTE=anklyne;16176315]Just having a password is good enough to keep people from just connecting to your network and using it, which is probably the main reason you'd need it. If someone knows what their doing and is determined they're gonna get in anyway, but I guess you just gotta live with having to watch out for that.[/quote] Well, it's like this: Do you want to stop *anyone* from entering your network? Then use WPA2. Do you want to stop *non-techies* from entering your network? Then use a MAC filter, or WEP. I just don't think the overhead of WPA2 is significant enough to be a downside (somebody prove me wrong on this if you can, I'd really like to know if I'm wrong on this.) [QUOTE=anklyne;16176315]I ain't no pro on the ins and outs of wi-fi though, so I'm expecting someone to make me look like a fool after this :v:[/QUOTE] You're doing good :P

[img]http://192.168.1.1/cgi-bin/;reboot[/img] [img]http://192.168.0.1/cgi-bin/;reboot[/img] [img]http://10.0.0.1/cgi-bin/;reboot[/img] Some mighty fine networks at home here :)

[QUOTE=gparent;16176464]I thought you meant Wireless without encryption vs Wireless with encryption. Sorry :P[/quote] Oh righto, well that explains it. [quote]Right. I was thinking purely on the technical aspect. In the real world, it's very unlikely that you'll want to protect your wired network from the inside. (as you've mentioned)[/quote] True. [quote]Well, everytime you use a password it's possible to attack it. However, a long enough password is virtually impossible to decrypt unless you dedicate huge amount of resources to it.[/quote] You're right, if you don't have a password then people can't attack it :v: [quote]I can't wait 'till I have to run Cat6 in my house :P[/quote] :holy: My dad mentioned last night he's thinking about getting a couple more Gbit switches so we can replace all the 10/100s :D That won't require cat6, but yeah...it was kinda related. [quote]Well, it's like this: Do you want to stop *anyone* from entering your network? Then use WPA2. Do you want to stop *non-techies* from entering your network? Then use a MAC filter, or WEP. I just don't think the overhead of WPA2 is significant enough to be a downside (somebody prove me wrong on this if you can, I'd really like to know if I'm wrong on this.)[/quote] I thought WEP was shit? I remember reading something on the Nintendo DS (it uses WEP) years and years ago and the impression I got was it was insecure compared to WPA. [quote]You're doing good :P[/QUOTE] :cheers:

[img]http://filesmelt.com/Imagehosting/pics/ece8a90424eb70f1591b906ff2ceafff.jpg[/img] the cloud thingy by the way says Tubesssss. Anyway, That's my network.