Are you guys seriously arguing over the minuscule differences in detection rates in the "top" anti-viruses? Just pick one, it doesn't even matter.
AVG was shit compared to MSE, sorry. Usability 1, scanned when I seriously needed it. Ate all the power my old PC had. No thanks!
MSE is on my PC, on my fathers laptop.
Avast! is on my sisters and on my grandparents laptop.
Nobody has had any problems. I scan mine with MBAM sometimes and have no viruses. Sister has Avast! and has got 1-2 viruses sometimes.
MSE is better than Avast! by a small bit.
Oh, Do you want to know my experience with BitDefender? According to these tests it is pretty good.
My experience? It was more shitty than Norton. Fuck, It didn't even scan. Just said ALL SCANS DONE LOL YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING!! Want to scan that file? Nope! Not going to do that!
I wasn't even able to update it. It was STUCK!
And then it expired (Got it free with my Prebuilt PC for a year), Instant uninstall and installed Avast!
[QUOTE=waxrock;33041801]My past experience + those tests say otherwise. Your move.[/QUOTE]
My experience + some other tests calling MSE a great AV, says otherwise. Your move.
[sp]It's not too convincing, since everybody have their own experience with AV.[/sp]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;33041971]My experience + [B]some other tests calling MSE a great AV[/B], says otherwise. Your move.
[sp]It's not too convincing, since everybody have their own experience with AV.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Then post it. Convince me that MSE is really as great as everyone says it is vs the alternatives. My experiences with AVs have all been the same, so hence why I'm just resorting to actual testing.
I actually [I]really[/I] want you to post it. All this anecdotal "AVG/BITDEFENDER was crappy for me" was the exact opposite experience I had or anyone else had when I installed it on their computers.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=BlkDucky;33041923]Are you guys seriously arguing over the minuscule differences in detection rates in the "top" anti-viruses? Just pick one, it doesn't even matter.[/QUOTE]
IT'S A QUESTION OF YOUR COMPUTER'S SECURITY, MAN. SERIOUS STUFF.
I used MSE because it was lightweight and it's pretty decent. People who oppose make it seem like it's by far the worst anything anything ever when it's not.
[QUOTE=Panda X;33042152]I used MSE because it was lightweight and it's pretty decent. [B]People who oppose make it seem like it's by far the worst anything anything ever when it's not[/B].[/QUOTE]
That's some untrue generalization.
[QUOTE=waxrock;33041722]Because they're bandwagoning idiots? I still see people recommending Comodo's AV even though that thing is a piece of shit compared to GOOD AVs like avast, AVG, Panda, etc.
I've also used a ton of other AVs and have never been infected, including MSE. What are you getting at?
"THE TESTS ARE BULLSHIT AND BIASED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT WITH MY VIEWS"
Good one.[/QUOTE]
The reason you 'never have been' affected with those AV's is because they're either shit and don't detect anything and your an idiot, or you having been infected to begin with period. I've compared AVG and Comodo BTW, it IS better. AVG/Avast/etc are loved like people like you because people like you ARE band wagoning idiots.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
TL;DR, only band wagoning idiot I'm seeing here is you.
[QUOTE=J!NX;33042317]The reason you 'never have been' affected with those AV's is because they're either shit and don't detect anything and your an idiot, or you having been infected to begin with period. I've compared AVG and Comodo BTW, it IS better. AVG/Avast/etc are loved like people like you because people like you ARE band wagoning idiots.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
TL;DR, only band wagoning idiot I'm seeing here is you.[/QUOTE]
Tell me, is Comodo's AV better because of HIPS?
And apparently I'm a bandwagoning idiot because I pay attention to tests from different sites as opposed to listening to the majority of FP. Yup, I'm definitely part of the idiot bandwagon.
PS: You're the idiot.
[QUOTE=waxrock;33042354]Tell me, is Comodo's AV better because of HIPS?
And apparently I'm a bandwagoning idiot because I pay attention to tests from different sites as opposed to listening to the majority of FP. Yup, I'm definitely part of the idiot bandwagon.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are. And BTW, the test didn't even [B]SHOW[/B] Comodo. Do you even know the reliability of these tests? Are they actually testing the genuine usability? Where are their stats from? Etc, you [B]ABSOLUTELY MUST UNDERSTAND THE TEST ITSELF, not 'SIMPLY TRUST IT'[/B].
Not everything is popular purely by band wagon you know, that argument is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Have you ever though that... maybe its because it [I]actually works[/I]? Hmm? No, you didn't.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
Also, don't do that "Lol your an idiot" shit with me, thats childish and stupid. The reason I'm doing it to you is because you sound like your the one jumping on a bandwagon.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
and Comodo is better because it actually detects things, and everything thats suspicious. I went from AVG to Comodo, and Comodo instantly picked up a lot of virus's that AVG never picked up. And I mean, a lot. Not just simply 'false alarms' either you know. If you can't take that as something to go by and continue trusting your crappy tests, well, I hope you get your identity stolen for it.
[QUOTE=J!NX;33042421]Yes you are. And BTW, the test didn't even [B]SHOW[/B] Comodo. Do you even know the reliability of these tests? Are they actually testing the genuine usability? Where are their stats from? Etc, you [B]ABSOLUTELY MUST UNDERSTAND THE TEST ITSELF, not 'SIMPLY TRUST IT'[/B].
Not everything is popular purely by band wagon you know, that argument is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Have you ever though that... maybe its because it [I]actually works[/I]? Hmm? No, you didn't.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
Also, don't do that "Lol your an idiot" shit with me, thats childish and stupid. The reason I'm doing it to you is because you sound like your the one jumping on a bandwagon.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
and Comodo is better because it actually detects things, and everything thats suspicious. I went from AVG to Comodo, and Comodo instantly picked up a lot of virus's that AVG never picked up. And I mean, a lot. Not just simply 'false alarms' either you know. If you can't take that as something to go by and continue trusting your crappy tests, well, I hope you get your identity stolen for it.[/QUOTE]
And you're not childish even though you said the same thing? Hah. The hypocrisy is amazing.
And do you want to see Comodo?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/yml7k.png[/img]
You hope my identity gets stolen? Shows how goddamn mature you are. I'm arguing to make sure people at understand what they're using. To MAKE SURE THEIR SHIT IS SECURE. And then you pull this. Go fuck yourself.
And you know what? I DO understand the tests. Because it's so fucking hard to understand: [img]http://i.imgur.com/Vbr7Y.png[/img]
[QUOTE=waxrock;33042603]And you're not childish even though you said the same thing? Hah. The hypocrisy is amazing.
And do you want to see Comodo?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/yml7k.png[/img]
You hope my identity gets stolen? Shows how goddamn mature you are. I'm arguing to make sure people at understand what they're using. To MAKE SURE THEIR SHIT IS SECURE. And then you pull this. Go fuck yourself.[/QUOTE]
And yet the paid version of AVG couldn't pick up the same shit the free version of Comodo does. Sure as hell proves your test isn't exactly reliable.
And no, you were calling people band wagoning idiots, and using a terrible test.
[QUOTE=J!NX;33042628]And yet the paid version of AVG couldn't pick up the same shit the free version of Comodo does. Sure as hell proves your test isn't exactly reliable.
And no, you were calling people band wagoning idiots, and using a terrible test.[/QUOTE]
"MSE is the [I]best[/I] AV out there"
"YEAH MSE IS SO INTEGRATED"
etc
Oh and I wasn't using [B]a[/B] terrible test. I used [B]multiple[/B] tests from two [B]different[/B] sites.
[QUOTE=waxrock;33042673]"MSE is the [I]best[/I] AV out there"
"YEAH MSE IS SO INTEGRATED"
etc
Oh and I wasn't using [B]a[/B] terrible test. I used [B]multiple[/B] tests from two [B]different[/B] sites.[/QUOTE]
Are they really consistent? And I never said anything about whats the best AV personally.
Just stating a fact here, but I'm pretty sure my experience proves just how terrible your test is. It says that comodo is worse than AVG, and yet, AVG couldn't do shit for me, Comodo actually does.
[QUOTE=waxrock;33042064]Then post it. Convince me that MSE is really as great as everyone says it is vs the alternatives. My experiences with AVs have all been the same, so hence why I'm just resorting to actual testing.
I actually [I]really[/I] want you to post it. All this anecdotal "AVG/BITDEFENDER was crappy for me" was the exact opposite experience I had or anyone else had when I installed it on their computers.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
IT'S A QUESTION OF YOUR COMPUTER'S SECURITY, MAN. SERIOUS STUFF.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-anti-virus-software.htm[/url]
I'm aware of that MSE doesn't score that high on many, but from what I've seen it's mostly the time it takes to perform a scan, and when it isn't, it isn't the most important stuff, like explained here:
[url]http://windowssecrets.com/langalist-plus/mse-delivers-mixed-results-in-antivirus-tests/[/url]
MSE isn't perfect ([url=http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pick/microsoft-security-essentials-bombs-on-first-2011-av-test-2011055/]read this[/url]), but I'm still riding the MSE hype from back when it launched, and I'm pretty sure they'll get it up and running the right way again. Otherwise I'll make a jump, but I haven't encountered anything MSE hasn't picked up yet, and I've fixed some badly infected computers. The only thing I haven't seen it pick up is Norton AV on my mom and dad's computer - it really installs itself without many people really being aware of it, and my dad actually thought that it was a "fake" AV when it popped up. He may not the most computer literate person around, but I can't approve of such business methods.
[QUOTE=J!NX;33042709]Are they really consistent? And I never said anything about whats the best AV personally.
Just stating a fact here, but I'm pretty sure my experience proves just how terrible your test is. It says that comodo is worse than AVG, and yet, AVG couldn't do shit for me, Comodo actually does.[/QUOTE]
The quotes aren't you. They're the other people in this thread talking about how MSE has the best detection.
And, yes, they are consistent, though one site tests for more than the other in the reports I cropped.
And how does your experience prove how terrible my test is? I've used AVG before and so has many others, and my experience has been in agreement with the tests.
Avira AntiVir
[QUOTE=waxrock;33042776]The quotes aren't you. They're the other people in this thread talking about how MSE has the best detection.
And, yes, they are consistent, though one site tests for more than the other in the reports I cropped.
And how does your experience prove how terrible my test is? I've used AVG before and so has many others, and my experience has been in agreement with the tests.[/QUOTE]
My statement shows that comodo is better, but its saying its worse. If it can't even get those two right, then I just simply cannot trust it period.
And to test it you'd have to continuously personally test all the virus's it can detect and can not, etc. Have you actually tested it like this?
[B][U][I]JUST USE A FUCKING PROGRAM AND STOP ARGUING YOU FUCKS.[/I][/U][/B]
[QUOTE=Dr. Deeps;33042852][B][U][I]JUST USE A FUCKING PROGRAM AND STOP ARGUING YOU FUCKS.[/I][/U][/B][/QUOTE]
Best option: Get all the anti-virus's out there ever.
Result? no more virus's period.
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
This is a joke post...
[QUOTE=DeadCow;33041508]Also, why do you think practically EVERYONE is suggesting MSE?[/QUOTE]
Because it's free, made by MS, and decent. Never under estimate the power of a company's name. People were praising it back when it was complete shit, they're still praising it after it has improved. Only objective testing from multiple independent tests can really *attempt* to show which one is the most efficient.
[QUOTE=J!NX;33042828]My statement shows that comodo is better, but its saying its worse. If it can't even get those two right, then I just simply cannot trust it period.
And to test it you'd have to continuously personally test all the virus's it can detect and can not, etc. Have you actually tested it like this?[/QUOTE]
I CBA to install, test, record, uninstall every single AV out there. That's why sites like av-tests and av-comparatives exist.
Just to make it clear, I'm not saying MSE is terrible by any means. The "it has shit detection" post earlier is relative to the other AVs. Hell, the tests even say its detection of 0day went up to 88%, which is fantastic. But why go with 88% when you can get 98%?
[QUOTE=waxrock;33043032]I CBA to install, test, record, uninstall every single AV out there. That's why sites like av-tests and av-comparatives exist.
Just to make it clear, I'm not saying MSE is terrible by any means. The "it has shit detection" post earlier is relative to the other AVs. Hell, the tests even say its detection of 0day went up to 88%, which is fantastic. But why go with 88% when you can get 98%?[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. I'll trust my own method though, I find it more reliable to go with it how I do it.
Just how I am. Keeps things simple. Besides, I'm not the type of guy to torrent 50 movies and games a day and all that anyways, so its pretty easy to say that me getting a virus is a rarity to begin with.
Soo, I am the guy who torrents stuff a lot and have MSE + Comodo.
No viruses. Safe torrents or good AV-s.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;33042732][url]http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-anti-virus-software.htm[/url]
I'm aware of that MSE doesn't score that high on many, but from what I've seen it's mostly the time it takes to perform a scan, and when it isn't, it isn't the most important stuff, like explained here:
[url]http://windowssecrets.com/langalist-plus/mse-delivers-mixed-results-in-antivirus-tests/[/url]
MSE isn't perfect ([url=http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pick/microsoft-security-essentials-bombs-on-first-2011-av-test-2011055/]read this[/url]), but I'm still riding the MSE hype from back when it launched, and I'm pretty sure they'll get it up and running the right way again. Otherwise I'll make a jump, but I haven't encountered anything MSE hasn't picked up yet, and I've fixed some badly infected computers. The only thing I haven't seen it pick up is Norton AV on my mom and dad's computer - it really installs itself without many people really being aware of it, and my dad actually thought that it was a "fake" AV when it popped up. He may not the most computer literate person around, but I can't approve of such business methods.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
Now unless I'm somehow missing it, are there actual tests of samples? All I see is their rating of the AV products and vague descriptions like "High detection rate of malware, web protection, some behavioural blocker features".
Anywho, I'm going to have to disagree with everything that writer said. User error is completely irrelevant to what the tests are going for. You can't measure computer illiteracy quantitatively. Because MSE fails to detect stuff that users have to jump through a few extra hoops (an amazing four clicks) to get to, it's suddenly a non-issue? Yeah no.
And I don't understand his bit about 0day infections. He says they're insignificant and then references other authors of the same site saying that their articles are valuable. What?
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;33043081]Fair enough. I'll trust my own method though, I find it more reliable to go with it how I do it.
Just how I am. Keeps things simple. Besides, I'm not the type of guy to torrent 50 movies and games a day and all that anyways, so its pretty easy to say that me getting a virus is a rarity to begin with.[/QUOTE]
The reason why I stay away from hearsay 'evidence' is because stuff like this pops up all the time:
[quote=A comment from one of GoDong's links]I've been using Security Essentials for the past 2 years. Out of curiosity I removed MSE and installed F Secure Antivirus 2011. Prior to removing MSE I ran a full scan and it found no viruses or malware. I ran F Secure and it found 103 viruses and 16 spyware hits. Now I could understand maybe it finding a few but 119? That is most disconcerting to say the least! Free is nice but this tells me that MSE is worth exactly that...ZILTCH!
I've been recommending MSE as a professional only to have several of the pc's catch the fake antivirus virus. This latest review isn't far off from my experience and I will proceed to remove from all company machines as well as my 3 personal pc's.[/quote]
Whose story am I to believe and why?
MSE must be like... the half-stupid drunkard cousin of all other AV's if thats true.
This Thread is so entertaining. :v:
[QUOTE=waxrock;33042239]That's some untrue generalization.[/QUOTE]
I've not once ever seen someone say MSE is alright but statistically X is better. It's always MSE is shit I don't know why people recommend it.
Anyway, I don't see why people make it out to be personal if someone else uses a different AV. Same shit always happens. X is better than Y. X or Y. X is shit. Y is shit. X is just the best there is hands down. You don't know what you're talking about. Etc. Can't people chose their own AV these days and not have 18 people just bashing it and everything? People take it so personal.
Seriously just let the person use what they want. If it works for them then it works for them. I assume that most of the people in this thread are smart enough to use the web safely as possible where a majority of malware won't pose a problem, so you don't need to make it your personal goal for someone else to use the program you use. If the program they chose fails them, they'll move to another one. But chances are they're not going around download 200,000 viruses and just see what sticks.
[QUOTE=Panda X;33044022]Seriously just let the person use what they want. If it works for them then it works for them. I assume that [B]most of the people in this thread are smart enough to use the web safely as possible where a majority of malware won't pose a problem[/B], so you don't need to make it your personal goal for someone else to use the program you use. If the program they chose fails them, they'll move to another one. But chances are they're not going around download 200,000 viruses and just see what sticks.[/QUOTE]
[I]Most[/I]. And I'm not trying to convince them to use what I use. I've never recommended just one AV to use in this thread.
And I know no one is going to download 200k virus samples. That's why I showed the graphs in the first place...
[QUOTE=waxrock;33043207]Thank you.
Now unless I'm somehow missing it, are there actual tests of samples? All I see is their rating of the AV products and vague descriptions like "High detection rate of malware, web protection, some behavioural blocker features".
Anywho, I'm going to have to disagree with everything that writer said. User error is completely irrelevant to what the tests are going for. You can't measure computer illiteracy quantitatively. Because MSE fails to detect stuff that users have to jump through a few extra hoops (an amazing four clicks) to get to, it's suddenly a non-issue? Yeah no.
And I don't understand his bit about 0day infections. He says they're insignificant and then references other authors of the same site saying that their articles are valuable. What?
[editline]30th October 2011[/editline]
The reason why I stay away from hearsay 'evidence' is because stuff like this pops up all the time:
Whose story am I to believe and why?[/QUOTE]
It shall be said that all I really gave it was a google search. I've seen MSE getting MSE recommended again and again in various reviews, but I can't qoute a direct source, so sorry for that really.
If you use MSE + Common Sense Edition 2011, 4 clicks is nothing, so for the very largest part of people, it won't be a problem.
If a couple of persons could set up a VM with Windows 7, and various free AVs, as well as a predefined virus list, we could put this somewhat to rest.
[QUOTE=waxrock;33044345]And I'm not trying to convince them to use what I use.[/QUOTE]
That was a general statement, not directed toward you. Just a general observation of other posts in this thread and the 203 threads before it.
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