Android Thread - The only phones with patented Kernel Panic™ technology!
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My Nexus4 is at the post office for collection, keen
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;42093751]My Nexus4 is at the post office for collection, keen[/QUOTE]
weird, I just went to the post office in Brisbane and picked up a nexus 4 for a "Todd"
Also, the more I read, the more dirt I find on Samsung. It's actually kind of disgusting how deep Samsung's corruption goes.
hi
notice the camera hole???
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[QUOTE=Protocol7;42093815]weird, I just went to the post office in Brisbane and picked up a nexus 4 for a "Todd"[/QUOTE]
That's weird Nick, how did you get to Brisbane from Colorado in about 17 minutes
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;42093950]That's weird Nick, how did you get to Brisbane from Colorado in about 17 minutes[/QUOTE]
If you know the time it took to travel so well, why don't you know!?
maayyybe some verizon action???
verizon is rolling out band 4, so possibly yes
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42093924]Also, the more I read, the more dirt I find on Samsung. It's actually kind of disgusting how deep Samsung's corruption goes.[/QUOTE]
Do go on.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;42093962]If you know the time it took to travel so well, why don't you know!?[/QUOTE]
i just guessed to be frank with you
[QUOTE=Aznsniper911;42094045]Do go on.[/QUOTE]
Samsung publicly lied about BenchmarkBoost through their teeth. Kept changing their story the entire time. Remember GSMArena? Have you ever looked at their battery life tests? If you bother to do the calculations for mA drain in idle, it's clear they just made shit up to pump up Samsung devices and keep everything else as low as possible even when real experience shows that it was totally wrong. GSMArena also got their review samples months ahead of everyone else, and had the audacity to claim that the S4 was better in low light than the One. Either way, it's pretty clear that GSMArena is just a mouthpiece for Samsung PR, especially when they try and post stuff claiming that the Galaxy S4 has a calibrated screen now.
This entire time, Samsung has been slowly pushing enthusiasts away. Samsung Knox was announced at MWC this year. At first, SELinux was in the system but not turned on. Now, it's turned on, set to restrictive, their new OTA puts a bootloader that no longer can be downgraded, and there is a permanent warranty voiding mark now that is impossible to remove once a custom anything is put in recovery or system, unlike the old triangle marker. It's only a few more steps before they no longer allow unsigned boot images completely.
Samsung used XDA. They hired Steve Kondik for a reason, and he left for a reason, not just for the funzies. There is a reason why the Galaxy S3 got unusually good CyanogenMod support, even if Steve Kondik claimed that they weren't favoring support of Samsung devices.
[editline]5th September 2013[/editline]
Oh, and you know about Benchmark Boost? Those kinds of lies would land CEOs in jail in the US. The only reason why they're getting away with bald-faced lying is because Samsung is in Korea and Samsung has ROK by the balls. Their CEO has been pardoned multiple times for embezzlement, bribes, money laundering, and other crimes, and all the prosecutors keep dropping their cases as soon as it seems as if the courts are serious about prosecuting any crimes Samsung commits.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42091482]Lots of words.[/QUOTE]
Well firstly those same Anandtech tests put the S4 head and shoulders above the One in tests that involved the screen being off. This is important to me because I use the phone as a WiFi Hotspot a lot.
I'll grant you that color reproduction is not as good as others on the S4 but again, this goes back to different use-cases; I'm not a professional photographer so I frankly don't care. I can read text just fine on the screen and I can get the general idea; I don't use my phone for tv or movies, only for basic reading tasks where color reproduction doesn't matter. (These types of people would probably be using an iPad with a DSLR and a high-end monitor along with dedicated calibration tools to calibrate the iPad and the Monitor to strict standards and not fuck around with gimmicky smartphones phones anyway, but whatever.) As long as the screen isn't green where it should be red, most users should be fine. I don't think most people care if a woman's shirt on a YouTube video is the slightly wrong shade of blue. I don't care if my emulators or games aren't exactly accurate. I do mission critical stuff on my Monitor anyway.
I see you giving a lot of anecdotal evidence for the replaceable battery and memory cards being useless. That may be so for your friends, but maybe not for mine. As you might be aware, batteries tend to lose their max charge over a long period of time. I'm the person that buys a phone and sticks with it until I am absolutely forced to upgrade. I tend to hold on to my phone for 3 or 4 years at a time. So when I am given the option to just replace the battery for $15 bucks from Amazon every year when it begins to shit out on me instead of having to send the phone in to the manufacturer to have them disassemble and reassemble the damn thing or sometimes even outright replace it whole, I will gladly choose that model over the other. Also, I enjoy being able to buy larger batteries without having to invest in a new battery case or external charger. This is important for me because as I mentioned, I use tethering a whole lot with my tablet.
As for expandable memory, I know quite a few people who are huge music buffs with massive libraries. I know people who like to have their entire music library on them at a moment's notice. For these people, 64 gb of non-expandable storage doesn't even come close to being enough space. (I don't know why these people won't just get an actual music player that probably sounds loads better than either gimmicky phone instead of having to deal with smartphones, but whatever.) And personally, I just prefer having the safety net. I don't need the extra space personally as I never even come close to breaking 16GB, but it's a nice bonus to sweeten the deal after the other things that I prefer the S4 for.
As for ROMs, this also comes down to personal taste. You and your friends seem like the people who put a premium on vanity; you spend a lot of money on your phones so want your phones to look fucking sexy. I do too, and I do a [url=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/Screenshot_2013-08-28-14-01-17.jpg]reasonable job at it[/url]. So of course the S4 isn't going to be for you if looks were your top priority. That's perfectly fine. I haven't checked out the ROM scene for a while, but when I was on my Galaxy S Fascinate, there were some pretty damn good ROMs. They were plain ugly, sure, but I just don't care because what they lacked in beauty I got in functionality. They ran like a dream, had wonderful battery life, and got me at least a year's worth of extra use. And in a few years, I'm confident that the ROM community will remain pretty damn good.
So basically at the end of all this, I'm still convinced that there's no clear winner; I still suggest that people research and draw their own conclusions. Get the phone that works best for you. No matter who loses, you win.
[editline]6th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42094403]Samsung publicly lied about BenchmarkBoost through their teeth. Kept changing their story the entire time. Remember GSMArena? Have you ever looked at their battery life tests? If you bother to do the calculations for mA drain in idle, it's clear they just made shit up to pump up Samsung devices and keep everything else as low as possible even when real experience shows that it was totally wrong. GSMArena also got their review samples months ahead of everyone else, and had the audacity to claim that the S4 was better in low light than the One. Either way, it's pretty clear that GSMArena is just a mouthpiece for Samsung PR, especially when they try and post stuff claiming that the Galaxy S4 has a calibrated screen now.
This entire time, Samsung has been slowly pushing enthusiasts away. Samsung Knox was announced at MWC this year. At first, SELinux was in the system but not turned on. Now, it's turned on, set to restrictive, their new OTA puts a bootloader that no longer can be downgraded, and there is a permanent warranty voiding mark now that is impossible to remove once a custom anything is put in recovery or system, unlike the old triangle marker. It's only a few more steps before they no longer allow unsigned boot images completely.
Samsung used XDA. They hired Steve Kondik for a reason, and he left for a reason, not just for the funzies. There is a reason why the Galaxy S3 got unusually good CyanogenMod support, even if Steve Kondik claimed that they weren't favoring support of Samsung devices.
[editline]5th September 2013[/editline]
Oh, and you know about Benchmark Boost? Those kinds of lies would land CEOs in jail in the US. The only reason why they're getting away with bald-faced lying is because Samsung is in Korea and Samsung has ROK by the balls. Their CEO has been pardoned multiple times for embezzlement, bribes, money laundering, and other crimes, and all the prosecutors keep dropping their cases as soon as it seems as if the courts are serious about prosecuting any crimes Samsung commits.[/QUOTE]
These are legitimate complaints. I warn people very carefully about Samsung's involvement with the IOC. If I had known about that before I bought the S4 I probably wouldn't have bought it.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42094681]Well firstly those same Anandtech tests put the S4 head and shoulders above the One in tests that involved the screen being off. This is important to me because I use the phone as a WiFi Hotspot a lot.[/QUOTE]
Talk time tests place the One ahead. If you seriously just compared EVDO tethering to HSPA tethering, stop.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42094681]I'll grant you that color reproduction is not as good as others on the S4 but again, this goes back to different use-cases; I'm not a professional photographer so I frankly don't care. I can read text just fine on the screen and I can get the general idea; I don't use my phone for tv or movies, only for basic reading tasks where color reproduction doesn't matter. (These types of people would probably be using an iPad with a DSLR and a high-end monitor along with dedicated calibration tools to calibrate the iPad and the Monitor to strict standards and not fuck around with gimmicky smartphones phones anyway, but whatever.) As long as the screen isn't green where it should be red, most users should be fine. I don't think most people care if a woman's shirt on a YouTube video is the slightly wrong shade of blue. I don't care if my emulators or games aren't exactly accurate. I do mission critical stuff on my Monitor anyway.[/QUOTE]
Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Apple calibrates their iPads and iPhones to sRGB, almost perfectly. So does LG on their recent stuff and HTC.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42094681]I see you giving a lot of anecdotal evidence for the replaceable battery and memory cards being useless. That may be so for your friends, but maybe not for mine. As you might be aware, batteries tend to lose their max charge over a long period of time. I'm the person that buys a phone and sticks with it until I am absolutely forced to upgrade. I tend to hold on to my phone for 3 or 4 years at a time. So when I am given the option to just replace the battery for $15 bucks from Amazon every year when it begins to shit out on me instead of having to send the phone in to the manufacturer to have them disassemble and reassemble the damn thing or sometimes even outright replace it whole, I will gladly choose that model over the other. Also, I enjoy being able to buy larger batteries without having to invest in a new battery case or external charger. This is important for me because as I mentioned, I use tethering a whole lot with my tablet.[/QUOTE]
That's your use case. The vast majority of people never even touch their battery after it's put in the phone.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42094681]As for expandable memory, I know quite a few people who are huge music buffs with massive libraries. I know people who like to have their entire music library on them at a moment's notice. For these people, 64 gb of non-expandable storage doesn't even come close to being enough space. (I don't know why these people won't just get an actual music player that probably sounds loads better than either gimmicky phone instead of having to deal with smartphones, but whatever.) And personally, I just prefer having the safety net. I don't need the extra space personally as I never even come close to breaking 16GB, but it's a nice bonus to sweeten the deal after the other things that I prefer the S4 for.[/QUOTE]
If 64GB of storage isn't enough, not even flash memory players will suffice. If these people aren't carrying around iPod Classics, they are trying to ask for something that is easily an outlier for needs. The fact that the Nexus 4 8GB is the phone that sold out before the 16GB is telling.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42094681]As for ROMs, this also comes down to personal taste. You and your friends seem like the people who put a premium on vanity; you spend a lot of money on your phones so want your phones to look fucking sexy. I do too, and I do a [URL="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/Screenshot_2013-08-28-14-01-17.jpg"]reasonable job at it[/URL]. So of course the S4 isn't going to be for you if looks were your top priority. That's perfectly fine. I haven't checked out the ROM scene for a while, but when I was on my Galaxy S Fascinate, there were some pretty damn good ROMs. They were plain ugly, sure, but I just don't care because what they lacked in beauty I got in functionality. They ran like a dream, had wonderful battery life, and got me at least a year's worth of extra use. And in a few years, I'm confident that the ROM community will remain pretty damn good.[/QUOTE]
No, I and a lot of people put a value on consistent UI with a clean design. Touchwiz is neither of those. I shouldn't need to spend time theming my phone to make it look nice.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42094681]So basically at the end of all this, I'm still convinced that there's no clear winner; I still suggest that people research and draw their own conclusions. Get the phone that works best for you. No matter who loses, you win.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but I'm increasingly of the opinion that the Galaxy S4 is not as good a phone as the One.
they're fuckin' phones, peeps. if it works, it works
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42094793]Talk time tests place the One ahead. If you seriously just compared EVDO tethering to HSPA tethering, stop.[/QUOTE]
Irrelevant. A consumer doesn't care, a consumer wants performance. If they get better performance because it uses different technologies, so be it. Especially when you pop [url=http://www.zerolemon.com/details.php/zerolemon-2x-galaxy-s4-3000mah-slim-battery-charger]this guy[/url] in. Actually, now that I think about it, you cited other battery reviews as being inaccurate because they don't adhere to strict laboratory regulations like Anandtech does. I don't know about you but I don't use my phone in the lab under strict conditions. With those strict conditions removed, like in every other battery test, you find that real-world out-of-the-box battery usage is higher on the S4 than the One. When Anandtech is the only outlier I begin to question their validity for the average consumer.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42094793]No, I and a lot of people put a value on consistent UI with a clean design. Touchwiz is neither of those. I shouldn't need to spend time theming my phone to make it look nice.[/QUOTE]
If you didn't want to take advantage of Android's rich customization options in order to tailor the device to your exact wants and needs, I question why you would ever want to buy Android in the first place. To me, the ability to make the UI look exactly how I want is one of the main draws the OS has to me; if I didn't care about flexibility and customization I sincerely would have just bought an iPhone and I would have been happy. That said, the only really bad part of the UI for the S4 is the godawful menu which honestly really isn't that terrible once you adapt to it. I can go back and forth between my stock Nexus 7 and my S4 with no problems so at least there's that. Also I'm actually a fan of the way the S4 handles the notification bar, I like the quick settings being along the top row. Everything else comes down to how individual apps have different UIs which is a problem inherent with Android, not Samsung.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42094919]Irrelevant. A consumer doesn't care, a consumer wants performance. If they get better performance because it uses different technologies, so be it. Especially when you pop [URL="http://www.zerolemon.com/details.php/zerolemon-2x-galaxy-s4-3000mah-slim-battery-charger"]this guy[/URL] in. Actually, now that I think about it, you cited other battery reviews as being inaccurate because they don't adhere to strict laboratory regulations like Anandtech does. I don't know about you but I don't use my phone in the lab under strict conditions. With those strict conditions removed, like in every other battery test, you find that real-world out-of-the-box battery usage is higher on the S4 than the One. When Anandtech is the only outlier I begin to question their validity for the average consumer.[/QUOTE]
That makes literally zero sense. If you use EVDO you are on Sprint. HSPA is for people on TMOUS.(Edit: and ATT) When you can't control for carrier, it isn't an accurate test. "Strict conditions" is for the sake of realistic comparison. Net result is that you're going to get the same battery life on the One or S4, with the One pulling a slight edge for identical use cases. The only reason why Anandtech is an "outlier" is because everyone else has tests that are butt-fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42094681]If you didn't want to take advantage of Android's rich customization options in order to tailor the device to your exact wants and needs, I question why you would ever want to buy Android in the first place. To me, the ability to make the UI look exactly how I want is one of the main draws the OS has to me; if I didn't care about flexibility and customization I sincerely would have just bought an iPhone and I would have been happy. That said, the only really bad part of the UI for the S4 is the godawful menu which honestly really isn't that terrible once you adapt to it. I can go back and forth between my stock Nexus 7 and my S4 with no problems so at least there's that. Also I'm actually a fan of the way the S4 handles the notification bar, I like the quick settings being along the top row. Everything else comes down to how individual apps have different UIs which is a problem inherent with Android, not Samsung.[/QUOTE]
I took advantage of Android's rich customization by using a tweaked OEM UI to my taste. When the OEM does most of the work for me, why should I spend extra time doing things I don't want to do?
[editline]5th September 2013[/editline]
I might also add that the fact that the One can take on the GS4 with a 2300 mAh battery, and the fact that it takes a 3000 mAh battery to soundly beat the One is telling regarding its poor battery efficiency, especially when the One has a worse bin SoC.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42095052]That makes literally zero sense. If you use EVDO you are on Sprint. HSPA is for people on TMOUS. When you can't control for carrier, it isn't an accurate test. "Strict conditions" is for the sake of realistic comparison. Net result is that you're going to get the same battery life on the One or S4, with the One pulling a slight edge for identical use cases. The only reason why Anandtech is an "outlier" is because everyone else has tests that are butt-fucking retarded.[/QUOTE]
Actually no, it's perfectly cogent. You have a phone on TMOUS and the same phone on EV-DO. One network gets better battery. Guess which one I'm choosing if battery life is my main priority? I don't give a shit if the tests "aren't exactly the same because of network differences," one has measurably better results than the other. That's the immutable bottom line. And that's how I'm going to base my purchasing decisions. (I don't think the One was available on Sprint or Verizon anyway when I was shopping for phones.) Of course, Anandtech never fully reviewed the S4 because they were busy giving a full review to the One and a gigantic mega-review to the iPhone so the world will never know if tethering is better when both phones are on the same network. That's the downside to putting all of your eggs in one basket.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42095052]I took advantage of Android's rich customization by using a tweaked OEM UI to my taste. When the OEM does most of the work for me, why should I spend extra time doing things I don't want to do?[/QUOTE]
I'm glad that you got something that you like straight out of the box. I can't do that, unfortunately; be it HTC, Samsung, Asus, or any other flavor you like.
[editline]6th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42095052]I might also add that the fact that the One can take on the GS4 with a 2300 mAh battery, and the fact that it takes a 3000 mAh battery to soundly beat the One is telling regarding its poor battery efficiency, especially when the One has a worse bin SoC.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7107/htc-one-and-samsung-galaxy-s-4-google-play-edition-review-nearly-nexus/5[/url] I'm including this chart because it includes standard edition results as well.
Not that soundly, you even said it yourself. "Net result is that you're going to get the same battery life on the One or S4, with the One pulling a slight edge for identical use cases." Be careful not to get ahead of yourself. 3000 mAh is probably going to soar ahead of, not just barely beat the One as the One did to the S4.
As I was making my avatar, I didn't realize long shadows were a thing, nor that everybody hates them.
God damn, I wish that the damn Razor Maxx wasn't so damn expensive, I would have gotten that over the flagships any day. I would even be happy dealing with Verizon for that.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42091482]I look at Anandtech battery life tests. No one else bothers to standardize brightness, so that's literally just random noise due to confounding factors.[/quote]
Most of the tests I've seen have both phones at 100% brightness. That's the most the screen has to give. S4 is usually the winner in these tests despite its disadvantage with its power-hungry screen.
[Quote]Believe it or not, there are people that also like display accuracy because things like photos and movies need color accuracy. Vivid colors look nice in the showroom but just like TVs, you're going to take it home and not use showroom settings.[/quote]
There are people that prefer one screen over the other. This is why I'm saying that I can't definitively say one is better than the other. Depends on your priorities.
[Quote]I don't see my friends/colleagues using it, I hear them complaining. My brother seriously hated custom ROMs on the GS3 because either they were Touchwiz and looked like ass as a result, or AOSP was just way too bare for him. Same thing happened when he got a One. Went to 4.3 GPe for around two weeks before he couldn't take it and I had to flash a Sense ROM. My friend with a GS4 just rages all the time because everyone on XDA thinks they're a 1337 designer and they make Touchwiz even uglier. Expandable memory is something that only matters when a phone has 4/8/16 GiB of space, not when a phone is shipping with 32/64/128 GiB. My brother got the GS3 thinking that he would want expandable storage, and that he would need to replace the battery. He literally never did either. I put a microSD in his phone only to flash a ROM, and it was never put back in afterwards. The battery was never replaced. This same sort of situation plays out far too often. My friend with the GS4 compromised on display/camera/thermals because he placed value on battery replacement and microSD before purchase, and now he doesn't give a damn about the latter because he's never needed either of those features.[/quote]
Frankly your friends and colleagues don't represent any majority whatsoever. Expandable memory is a pretty big benefit when it comes to messing with ROMs and doing hacky things to your phone. I know for a fact that many people on XDA wouldn't even consider a phone without it. It may not matter to the average consumer to such a big degree but for the ROM-flashing crowd, it's a fucking blessing.
Frankly I think you're very wrong with your judgement of what's exactly on XDA. Nobody claimed or acts like they're some hotshot 1337 hacker. You have your usual devs making different experiences for the phone through their ROMs and kernels and that's it. There's no cockiness, and there's no competition.
[Quote]S4's ROM selection is pretty bad once you eliminate all AOSP ROMs and limit Touchwiz ROMs to those that are not stock theme but tastefully themed to somewhat fit Google design guidelines. I am far from the only person that finds Touchwiz to have pretty terrible UI design.[/quote]
No. You just haven't done research into this and you're just going off of what your friends are telling you. As somebody who actually owns an S4 and has flashed probably every ROM for it on XDA, take it from me: the ROM selection is very impressive and grows like wildfire. Every ROM gives an entirely different experience. There are plenty of TW mods, but even more AOSP/GE based ROMs. They're far from bad. Your friends' opinions may have been true a few months ago. Your friends' opinions are outdated.
[Quote]I find the One to have development in the places I care about. There's plenty of AOSP development but as far as I'm concerned I don't want to spend weeks searching for replacement apps for stuff already in Sense that is well-designed and integrated. ROMs like Trickdroid and ViperROM introduce tons of extra functionality to Sense that fits in visually.[/quote]
And I'm glad to see that because a great phone like the One deserves all the dev attention it can get. XDA would get boring real quick if everyone stuck to one phone.
[Quote]I think the problem is that people are trying to hold onto things that really don't matter nearly as much as the XDA-1337 haxx0r crowd makes it out to be. There are bigger things to worry about.[/QUOTE]
They matter to many people, just as color accuracy matters to many people. Again I shall reiterate that it's not fair to either of the phones to put one on top of the other. Here we have a shining example of how competition makes phone companies push of the absolute best experience. As a result of this competition, you get two great phones that fortunately suit two different audiences. If anything, I'm glad that the S4 and the HTC One are so different and that they're actually both popular. Things got really claustrophobic for a while back there when everyone was cumming all over the SIII and when it had no direct competition.
Let the fact that there are die-hard fans for each phone prove to you that these phones are both awesome as hell. I'm sorry for stirring up shit by asking which one is better. They're both better.
SGS3
Android 4.2.2
Liquid Smooth ROM
Here are some shots from the device.
[t]http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/218/e/c/a2_summit_by_kalam1ty_ac-d6gzoj4.png[/t]
Wow. Can't get much more minimalistic than that. Looking good.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;42095403]Most of the tests I've seen have both phones at 100% brightness. That's the most the screen has to give. S4 is usually the winner in these tests despite its disadvantage with its power-hungry screen.[/QUOTE]
That's quite disingenuous, 100% on the S4 is something like 280 nits at 100% APL. 100% on the One is something like 500 nits.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;42095403]Frankly your friends and colleagues don't represent any majority whatsoever. Expandable memory is a pretty big benefit when it comes to messing with ROMs and doing hacky things to your phone. I know for a fact that many people on XDA wouldn't even consider a phone without it. It may not matter to the average consumer to such a big degree but for the ROM-flashing crowd, it's a fucking blessing.[/QUOTE]
As someone in the ROM-flashing crowd, I don't give a damn about expandable memory. If expandable memory mattered so much, things like the iPhone would've bombed.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;42095403]Frankly I think you're very wrong with your judgement of what's exactly on XDA. Nobody claimed or acts like they're some hotshot 1337 hacker. You have your usual devs making different experiences for the phone through their ROMs and kernels and that's it. There's no cockiness, and there's no competition. [/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLK5CwVVEiA[/url] If you haven't seen this video, you don't know what regularly happens in XD
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;42095403]No. You just haven't done research into this and you're just going off of what your friends are telling you. As somebody who actually owns an S4 and has flashed probably every ROM for it on XDA, take it from me: the ROM selection is very impressive and grows like wildfire. Every ROM gives an entirely different experience. There are plenty of TW mods, but even more AOSP/GE based ROMs. They're far from bad. Your friends' opinions may have been true a few months ago. Your friends' opinions are outdated.[/QUOTE]
I spent way too much time trying to find decent Touchwiz ROMs for the SGS3. KyanROM was the closest, and the dev dropped it within a month or two of actually developing the ROM. AT&T SGS3 development blew chunks.
I literally just went through the two pages of the AT&T GS4 development section. All of it is stuff I wouldn't want to use on a daily basis, because I would want a Touchwiz ROM that has had every part of it rethemed.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;42095403]They matter to many people, just as color accuracy matters to many people. Again I shall reiterate that it's not fair to either of the phones to put one on top of the other. Here we have a shining example of how competition makes phone companies push of the absolute best experience. As a result of this competition, you get two great phones that fortunately suit two different audiences. If anything, I'm glad that the S4 and the HTC One are so different and that they're actually both popular. Things got really claustrophobic for a while back there when everyone was cumming all over the SIII and when it had no direct competition.[/QUOTE]
The One is "popular", but realistically it isn't mainstream at all. Two solid years of Samsung domination has seen to that.
[editline]6th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42095139]Actually no, it's perfectly cogent. You have a phone on TMOUS and the same phone on EV-DO. One network gets better battery. Guess which one I'm choosing if battery life is my main priority? I don't give a shit if the tests "aren't exactly the same because of network differences," one has measurably better results than the other. That's the immutable bottom line. And that's how I'm going to base my purchasing decisions. (I don't think the One was available on Sprint or Verizon anyway when I was shopping for phones.) Of course, Anandtech never fully reviewed the S4 because they were busy giving a full review to the One and a gigantic mega-review to the iPhone so the world will never know if tethering is better when both phones are on the same network. That's the downside to putting all of your eggs in one basket.[/QUOTE]
That is seriously hilarious, you're trying to say the Galaxy S4 has better battery life because it's on a network that is extremely low power on modern devices. By definition, you no longer have a controlled experiment anymore, and there is no effective conclusions to be drawn. If you really want the battery life tests, look in other reviews after the Galaxy S4, because often times some tests just don't happen due to how bad the network is for the review units (seriously, Sprint blows.).
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42095139]I'm glad that you got something that you like straight out of the box. I can't do that, unfortunately; be it HTC, Samsung, Asus, or any other flavor you like.[/QUOTE]
That's cool, the whole point of Android is that you can change it.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42095139][url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7107/htc-one-and-samsung-galaxy-s-4-google-play-edition-review-nearly-nexus/5[/url] I'm including this chart because it includes standard edition results as well.
Not that soundly, you even said it yourself. "Net result is that you're going to get the same battery life on the One or S4, with the One pulling a slight edge for identical use cases." Be careful not to get ahead of yourself. 3000 mAh is probably going to soar ahead of, not just barely beat the One as the One did to the S4.[/QUOTE]
Not that soundly because it's APL dependent. Unless you just sit and watch videos all day, the One is more efficient and pulls more battery life, screen on or off, and that's with a 300 mAh deficiency. If you really want to start playing that extended battery game, the One can get battery cases that will let it top that 3000 mAh extended battery, and the GS4 can get a bigger extended battery, but at the end of the day, the One is just more efficient.
SIII ROMs were kind of weird. I don't know how to explain it, but there seemed to be a constant barrage of total crap. Maybe the phone was too popular? I don't know. S4 ROMs are a different story though.
I thought a bit about what really matters most to me in a phone these last two days. I've just put up a Kijiji ad for a phone trade with an HTC One. You've convinced me. I went to Future Shop this morning too and looked at the One's screen. The lack of PenTile was refreshing to say the least.
Hell yes, just bought new Nexus 7. It's so fucking amazing.
I still need to play some games on it, but I bet all of them gonna fly.
[AP/NOVA LAUNCHER CONFIRMED]
blah blah blah blah a device codenamed hammerhead (lg device leaked from filing earlier) is running API level 18 "KeyLimePie" and is testing novalauncher
the screen size matches the fcc leak. boys we've confirmed the specs of the newxus
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[url]https://www.facebook.com/AndroidPolice/posts/584917128220571[/url]
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42095606]That is seriously hilarious, you're trying to say the Galaxy S4 has better battery life because it's on a network that is extremely low power on modern devices. By definition, you no longer have a controlled experiment anymore, and there is no effective conclusions to be drawn. If you really want the battery life tests, look in other reviews after the Galaxy S4, because often times some tests just don't happen due to how bad the network is for the review units (seriously, Sprint blows.).[/QUOTE]
No, I'm saying that the lower power network will give you more battery life when it's tether time. So if your choices are HTC One on TMobile and S4 on Sprint and you need maximum tether time, you go for the S4. If your choices are HTC One on Sprint and S4 on Sprint, it stands to reason that you will probably get marginally more life out of the HTC One. Isn't this obvious?
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;42095606]Not that soundly because it's APL dependent. Unless you just sit and watch videos all day, the One is more efficient and pulls more battery life, screen on or off, and that's with a 300 mAh deficiency. If you really want to start playing that extended battery game, the One can get battery cases that will let it top that 3000 mAh extended battery, and the GS4 can get a bigger extended battery, but at the end of the day, the One is just more efficient.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, I've made an error; I was operating under the assumption that both the S4 and the One both had a 2300 mAh battery. My bad. Second, Of course you could get cases with batteries built in or other external packs but as I already told you, that doesn't fit in for all use-cases, namely mine.
Also I'm simply still not convinced at all that Anandtech's test is to be trusted over everyone else's. I'm remaining skeptical until you can give something more solid than your opinion that "eveybody else is butt-fucking retarded."
I mean this test here shows the S4 winning hands down and for the test they ensure that conditions are as equal as possible by letting it run through one charge cycle, ensuring that signal strengths are the same, and ensuring that screen brightness was identical for each handset tested.
[url]http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/phones-3/best-phone-battery-life-samsung-galaxy-note-2-s4/[/url]
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Also I'm simply still not convinced at all that Anandtech's test is to be trusted over everyone else's. I'm remaining skeptical until you can give something more solid than your opinion that "eveybody else is butt-fucking retarded."
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Didn't really feel like posting here but I thought I'd just explain what I'm pretty sure he meant.
He did explain why, nowhere did he just say everyone is butt-fucking retarded because he says so. Nobody else equalizes their brightness. I don't know why he's still not understood, he mentioned it above talking about the S4 being 200 something nits and the HTC One being 500(that's generous, it's more like 600nits). The entire point is that 100% brightness on the HTC one is nearly double that of the S4 at 100%. I know it sounds weird but because the OLED can't go as bright as the LCD, 100%=/=100% with regard to how bright that actually is. So, brightness testing with the HTC one being significant brighter isn't fair, you have to set them both to the same ACTUAL brightness level, usually 200nits as a standard. Setting them both to some arbitrary value like 50% or 75% or 100% only works if they both are displays that are equally bright.
So yes, any test except Anandtech or any other that does that, is flawed and useless. Why? Because a brightness a user will put to be content with using the HTC One will be a much lower percentage on the Android brightness slider than it will be on the S4. The HTC One lasts longer in use, that's the truth.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;42096509]Didn't really feel like posting here but I thought I'd just explain what I'm pretty sure he meant.
He did explain why, nowhere did he just say everyone is butt-fucking retarded because he says so. Nobody else equalizes their brightness. I don't know why he's still not understood, he mentioned it above talking about the S4 being 200 something nits and the HTC One being 500(that's generous, it's more like 600nits). The entire point is that 100% brightness on the HTC one is nearly double that of the S4 at 100%. I know it sounds weird but because the OLED can't go as bright as the LCD, 100%=/=100% with regard to how bright that actually is. So, brightness testing with the HTC one being significant brighter isn't fair, you have to set them both to the same ACTUAL brightness level, usually 200nits as a standard. Setting them both to some arbitrary value like 50% or 75% or 100% only works if they both are displays that are equally bright.
So yes, any test except Anandtech or any other that does that, is flawed and useless. Why? Because a brightness a user will put to be content with using the HTC One will be a much lower percentage on the Android brightness slider than it will be on the S4. The HTC One lasts longer in use, that's the truth.[/QUOTE]
So in other words, what you're trying to say is that the test that I posted is also correct?
Also, I was referring to post #6687.
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[quote]We also set the screen brightness on every phone to the same level; this is a readable level rather than the maximum so that we don’t penalise phones with brighter displays. Finally, we condition each phone’s battery before testing by fully charging it and then discharging it.[/quote]
[t]http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Which-phone-has-the-best-battery-life.png[/t]
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So we're back to where I was before; Anandtech is the only site with results that differ, even after these constraints are put into place.
Rooted and flashed my RAZR over to Cyanogen the other day, everything is so much nicer, and an updated version of android to boot. My mom and sister saw what I've done to my phone and asked me to do what I can to their phones, which isn't much because they both have a Kyocera Hydro. I can't find any Roms for it anywhere.
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