My Video Card is Runner Slower than an Inferior Model! - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=Snuffy;24348033]Has your friend done any overclocking? Compare the clock speeds on your GPU, CPU and RAM with your friend. If he (or anyone else for that matter) has done anything, it might explain the difference in performance.[/QUOTE] Nope, my friend doesn't even know how to overclock. [QUOTE=Freekill;24351618]Sounds like someone is jealous especially when he thinks his computer is "Extremely 1337"[/QUOTE] I never said, nor implied that my computer was "Extremely 1337". Sounds like someone doesn't know what they are talking about and is trying to be funny. On a side note, I checked the specs on my video card, and compared them to the website's. The website says it should have a memory clock speed of 1800 MHz. However, NVIDIA Control Panel says it's at 900 MHz, with an 1800 MHz data rate. Does this mean that it's capable at running at 1800 MHz, and it's not? Or, does this mean that the speed is effectively doubled? I'm confused.

Use EVGA Precision to check the accurate clock speeds then compare it. Usually you have to find the EXACT model and not a variation of it. PS: Me and my friend have the almost same exact build except for the brand, I have AMD. He has Intel. The speeds and everything else are about the same. FPS wise however, He gets more mainly because he uses a smaller moniter. I play on a 21 inch. He plays on a 17. My resolution is maxed, His is 3/4 max of what it can do.

[QUOTE=ZomBCranbrry;24355571]Nope, my friend doesn't even know how to overclock. I never said, nor implied that my computer was "Extremely 1337". Sounds like someone doesn't know what they are talking about and is trying to be funny. On a side note, I checked the specs on my video card, and compared them to the website's. The website says it should have a memory clock speed of 1800 MHz. However, NVIDIA Control Panel says it's at 900 MHz, with an 1800 MHz data rate. Does this mean that it's capable at running at 1800 MHz, and it's not? Or, does this mean that the speed is effectively doubled? I'm confused.[/QUOTE] DDR = Dual Data Rate meaning it processes data twice a cycle. 900Mhz x2 = 1800Mhz. -I would like to see your friends specs and want to know your PSU. -Things like[B][U] Resolution[/U][/B], Shader detail AA and Vsync will really fuck up your FPS check if everything is the same as your "friends". -Overheating could cause your card to slow down so make sure its clear of dust and check your temperatures. -Make sure you have installed the newest drivers. -Lastly you could download 3dmark and get a score from it and see if it compares to your friends score.

What are the temperatures on the card? My friend had an Alpha Dog 8800 for a while, it overheated like a bitch because of how high it was overclocked, and this actually caused it to slow down because of how unstable it was. Same thing could be happening to you, as Alpha Dog edition cards aren't exactly stable from what I've seen.

Sounds like your CPU is bottlenecking everything. Check if any program is using up a suspiciously high amount of CPU time. It could also be overheating.

[QUOTE=taipan;24359180]DDR = Dual Data Rate meaning it processes data twice a cycle. 900Mhz x2 = 1800Mhz. -I would like to see your friends specs and want to know your PSU. -Things like[B][U] Resolution[/U][/B], Shader detail AA and Vsync will really fuck up your FPS check if everything is the same as your "friends". -Overheating could cause your card to slow down so make sure its clear of dust and check your temperatures. -Make sure you have installed the newest drivers. -Lastly you could download 3dmark and get a score from it and see if it compares to your friends score.[/QUOTE] Our resolutions are about the same, our shader detail is at the exact same level, and antialiasing and V-sync don't affect my framerate at all. I'll have to check to see if the card is overheating, though I doubt it, because even when I first launch the game, I get a shitty FPS. Changing the driver version does nothing for me performance wise. Trust me, I've tried it. I've edited the main post to include the graphics settings information. [QUOTE=Error_404;24359635]What are the temperatures on the card? My friend had an Alpha Dog 8800 for a while, it overheated like a bitch because of how high it was overclocked, and this actually caused it to slow down because of how unstable it was. Same thing could be happening to you, as Alpha Dog edition cards aren't exactly stable from what I've seen.[/QUOTE] Mine isn't overclocked. [QUOTE=pebkac;24361320]Sounds like your CPU is bottlenecking everything. Check if any program is using up a suspiciously high amount of CPU time. It could also be overheating.[/QUOTE] Perhaps. However, wouldn't his CPU also be bottlenecking his computer? His CPU and graphics card are worse than mine, so, theoretically, he should be getting a worse framerate. I'll check my computer to see if any program is using up the CPU time. I'll also check for overheating. Can anyone link me to some useful diagnostic tools that I can use to determine the problem?

V-sync always alters framerate no matter how high/low it is. If it doesnt change when you increase AA then its 100% not your GPU that is wrong. Open task manager --> Play game for 5 minutes-->Check if the CPU or memory chart reach 100%

[QUOTE=Satane;24365782]To check if it's overheating : [URL]http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html[/URL] I still think it's a little video option that causes the difference though. Don't forget that flashlight can cause significant framerate drops. My suggestion : Record a demo, get your average FPS using fraps or something similar. Take it to your friend and do the same. [B][I]or[/I][/B] Run 3Dmark06 at same settings on both computers. Don't leave space for human error.[/QUOTE] I'm still trying to figure out why his computer is worse than mine, yet it gets better framerates at the exact same settings and a slightly different resolution... CPU Temps: Idle: 45 degrees Celsius Left 4 Dead: 52 degrees Celsius GPU Temps: Idle: 62 degrees Celsius Left 4 Dead: 72 degrees Celsius That looks kind of high for an idle temperature on the GPU...

[QUOTE=ZomBCranbrry;24368207]I'm still trying to figure out why his computer is worse than mine, yet it gets better framerates at the exact same settings and a slightly different resolution... CPU Temps: Idle: 45 degrees Celsius Left 4 Dead: 52 degrees Celsius GPU Temps: Idle: 62 degrees Celsius Left 4 Dead: 72 degrees Celsius That looks kind of high for an idle temperature on the GPU...[/QUOTE] Temps are fine. That after 10 minutes of load? And i would really want to know your friend Cpu model.

[QUOTE=taipan;24368301]Temps are fine. That after 10 minutes of load? And i would really want to know your friend Cpu model.[/QUOTE] Sounds like SOMEONE didn't read the OP. :wink:

[QUOTE=ZomBCranbrry;24368465]Sounds like SOMEONE didn't read the OP. :wink:[/QUOTE] No you edited that in after I read it the first time. [editline]10:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=taipan;24368169] Open task manager --> Play game for 5 minutes-->Check if the CPU or memory chart reach 100%[/QUOTE]

Whoopsie forgot to do that, will do. [editline]01:29PM[/editline] CPU usage is at 70-80% when in game. At one point, it spiked to 100%, and the game got really laggy. Then, it shot back down to 70%.

Hmm thats pretty high. Annything else using alot of cpu besides the game?

[QUOTE=ZomBCranbrry;24364567][b]antialiasing and V-sync don't affect my framerate at all.[/b] [/QUOTE] Wut? Check what resolution your friend is playing at (and post it), and also check what he has AA set to.

[QUOTE=Satane;24382948]V-sync makes my mouse lag. Feels like some sort of input lag. I can't even play with v-sync on and I don't see how anyone could.[/QUOTE] V-sync doesnt make your mouse lag (unless you are playing Deadspace who has a flaw with V-sync) V-sync matches the framerate with your monitor refresh rate (60Hz) This means it trys to get framerates around factors of 3. 120-90-60-30-15 ect. It always rounds down so if you have 59 fps you get 30 with V-sync on. On a fast paced FPS 30Fps feels like mouse lag.

39% Load idle?!

Is he using the same anti-aliasing settings as you? Different AA modes have different performance hits.

Read the OP.

[QUOTE=ZomBCranbrry;24279869]I'm only at 39% usage, idle.[/QUOTE] There's your problem. Why should your CPU be almost at 50% usage if you are doing nothing? My CPU goes 10% max when I'm browsing Facepunch (Which I would say is normal). Either your CPU [i]is[/i] very shitty, you have a virus of some sort, or you have alot of background stuff "sappin your compy" as already mentioned. This is what my CPU graph is like when browsing Facepunch (And having 3 other tabs open, one containing flash): [img]http://90.184.94.48/graph.jpg[/img] I have an Intel Core 2 Quad, but still, even with a shitty CPU, 39% idle is far from low

[QUOTE=Warship;24482578]There's your problem. Why should your CPU be almost at 50% usage if you are doing nothing? My CPU goes 10% max when I'm browsing Facepunch (Which I would say is normal). Either your CPU [I]is[/I] very shitty, you have a virus of some sort, or you have alot of background stuff "sappin your compy" as already mentioned. This is what my CPU graph is like when browsing Facepunch (And having 3 other tabs open, one containing flash): [IMG]http://90.184.94.48/graph.jpg[/IMG] I have an Intel Core 2 Quad, but still, even with a shitty CPU, 39% idle is far from low[/QUOTE] Any idea on how to fix it?

4800|+ os kinda dated for todays games

svchost.exe (linked to Windows Endpoint Audio Builder) and audiodg.exe are taking up a lot of memory, what can I do to lower the amount they're using? Please provide me with a non-buggy way of doing this, not some hack which is prone to errors. Also, a lot of svchost.exe's are taking up a lot of RAM, and some CPU, too. What do I do about those?

Have you tried Verifying the L4D Game Cache Files and Defragmenting them? Usually doing this can really speed up your game, so I think it's worth a try. [B]If you don't know how to do the above:[/B] [list][*]Right click on the Left 4 Dead icon on Steam. [*]Go to "Properties" and then click on the "Local Files" tab.[/list] [b]You should get the following options:[/b] [list][*]Backup Game Files. [*]Delete Local Game Content. [*][u]Verify Integrity of Game Files.[/u] [*][u]Defragment Cache Files.[/u][/list] The underlined options are the ones you want to click. Post back the results if you haven't already done this.

Well, it didn't need to defrag (fragmentation was at 0%), and when I verified the integrity of the game files, I got about a 5-10 fps increase in some areas. Didn't help much. Anyone else got any more ideas? BTW, can someone link me to a good CPU stability and/or stress tester (preferably stability tester)? Memtest86+ version 4.00 reported no errors. [editline]01:16PM[/editline] Nevermind, I found a good stability tester. And CPU usage is now down to about 5-10% idle. However, physical memory is now at 42%! How might I fix this? You know what? Screw it. I need answers, people!

Okay, I ran a CPU test all night, and it didn't crash, so obviously the cpu isn't a problem, and neither is the ram.

AudioDG is the program that handles sound, turn off all soundblaster enhancements.

I'm sorry but I just read the whole thread and whenever someone is trying to help you, you bring up that his PC is crappy and yours isn't, and that said help isn't useful. What the hell do you want man.

What resolution do you run L4D at, and what is your friends resolution.

[QUOTE=Elexar;24563098]I'm sorry but I just read the whole thread and whenever someone is trying to help you, you bring up that his PC is crappy and yours isn't, and that said help isn't useful. What the hell do you want man.[/QUOTE] The point I'm trying to make is that his computer is inferior to mine, and yet it gets WAY more fps. What I want is for someone to help me figure out what is wrong with my computer. [QUOTE=TomW411;24571702]What resolution do you run L4D at, and what is your friends resolution.[/QUOTE] FFS, read the op!

[QUOTE=ZomBCranbrry;24575173] FFS, read the op![/QUOTE] My bad, sorry. Also, I find it hard to believe your AA setting doesn't affect your performance at all. In fact, I'm almost calling BS on that. Also, do you have v-sync on and what is your monitors refresh rate?